Steven Hindle: The Andrei Markov Effect - The Andrei Markov Effect

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think its atrickle down effect.
, if markov plays subban is better cause he plays less mins and so on down

It's been so long, I don't even remember how it's like to have #79 in the line up.
Time will tell what kind of Markov we will have once/if he comes back.

It's been so long, I don't even remember how it's like to have #79 in the line up.
Time will tell what kind of Markov we will have once/if he comes back.
- Tripple_B9

I think Markov should just rehab this season - not play any of the remaining games left - just come back in October

I think Markov should just rehab this season - not play any of the remaining games left - just come back in October
- MTL1

Well, maybe he would want to check how he is doing in a couple games before the season end to see if he "still have it", but I agree he should not push himself too hard in those games if he does.

Steven Hindle: The Andrei Markov Effect
- The Andrei Markov Effect
- hindlehabs

Since the lockout the habs are a 500 team.

it is as simple as that, 278 wins 271 losses in the Regular season and 19 wins and 29 losses in playoffs.

Shocker!

Since the lockout the habs are a 500 team.

it is as simple as that, 278 wins 268 losses in the Regular season and 19 wins and 29 losses in playoffs.

Shocker!
- Oilhab

It's true, but it doesn't change the fact that with Markov the team win a lot more.

I think Markov should just rehab this season - not play any of the remaining games left - just come back in October
- MTL1

I agree with you. I just hope Cole will be as strong next year again. I am dying to see Markov feeding Cole lines.
We already know how Plecky is a better player with Markov backing up, it would be nice to see him now with a player like Bourque on he's side and 79 feeding them also.

Since the lockout the habs are a 500 team.

it is as simple as that, 278 wins 271 losses in the Regular season and 19 wins and 29 losses in playoffs.

Shocker!
- Oilhab

That may be the case, but that's a far cry from the way the team has played with Markov in the lineup since '07-08.

In the 212 reg. season games he's played since then, the Habs are 117-68-27...far from .500.

I think Markov should just rehab this season - not play any of the remaining games left - just come back in October
- MTL1

Of course, but will it be enough? I just think he's done.

Steven Hindle: The Andrei Markov Effect
- The Andrei Markov Effect
- hindlehabs

i'm sick of hearing about the markov effect. this is all just more smoke being blown up the fans asses. we won nothing with him and nothing without him.

It's true, but it doesn't change the fact that with Markov the team win a lot more.
- Popofjc

And the Leafs win more games when Armstrong is in the lineup....

There are alot more factors to the losses then just markov, over the last 3 years we have had plenty of injuries to players not named markov, and they were not small injuries either.

Who is to say if we had full seasons from everybody else while Markov was injuried that they wouldn't of had a better record?

The fact remains that it's a team game, and the team has been a 500 team since 2005.

The team and the fans need to move on from the false hope that MArkov will come back and this will be a great team, becuase they won't be.

They need to move on, cut the fat and keep building in the right direction.

The Markov factor and the Powerplay Factor not being factors has been the best thing to happen to this team since the lockout. The Veil of misconception that those two "factors" have had in the past was a detriment to the teams development.

It fooled Management and fans into thinking the team was better then they were, there was always hope that their dismal playoff record would be a wakeup call but it wasn't enough.

And now when i thought people were starting to see the team for what it is, Blam a 4 game win streak against 3 weak teams and the veil is back up and people are hoping for Markov to return and make the team a "contender"
for (frank)s sakes

That may be the case, but that's a far cry from the way the team has played with Markov in the lineup since '07-08.

In the 212 reg. season games he's played since then, the Habs are 117-68-27...far from .500.
- hindlehabs

And it all had to do with markov

i'm sick of hearing about the markov effect. this is all just more smoke being blown up the fans asses. we won nothing with him and nothing without him.
- rob121

True. But they were better with him, still.

True. But they were better with him, still.
- deadpoulet

you're right. we were a bubble team instead of being a lottery team. i stand corrected.

And the Leafs win more games when Armstrong is in the lineup....

There are alot more factors to the losses then just markov, over the last 3 years we have had plenty of injuries to players not named markov, and they were not small injuries either.

Who is to say if we had full seasons from everybody else while Markov was injuried that they wouldn't of had a better record?

The fact remains that it's a team game, and the team has been a 500 team since 2005.

The team and the fans need to move on from the false hope that MArkov will come back and this will be a great team, becuase they won't be.

They need to move on, cut the fat and keep building in the right direction.

The Markov factor and the Powerplay Factor not being factors has been the best thing to happen to this team since the lockout. The Veil of misconception that those two "factors" have had in the past was a detriment to the teams development.

It fooled Management and fans into thinking the team was better then they were, there was always hope that their dismal playoff record would be a wakeup call but it wasn't enough.

And now when i thought people were starting to see the team for what it is, Blam a 4 game win streak against 3 weak teams and the veil is back up and people are hoping for Markov to return and make the team a "contender"
for (frank)s sakes
- Oilhab

Why can't do both ? Rebuilding the team while still keeping Markov seems a lo better than rebuilding without him.

That may be the case, but that's a far cry from the way the team has played with Markov in the lineup since '07-08.

In the 212 reg. season games he's played since then, the Habs are 117-68-27...far from .500.
- hindlehabs

How about this, take away the one magical season where the whole team was running on overdrive in 07-08 and how many games did we win and lose with markov in and out.

Or how about how many games did we win and lose with markov in and out prior to the star aligning 07-08 season.

The 07-08 season is the anomoly that is skewing your results.

Why can't do both ? Rebuilding the team while still keeping Markov seems a lo better than rebuilding without him.
- Popofjc

We are stuck with him for 2 years anyways as the goat was scared about losing him and decided to sign him to a contract without checking in on his rehab or giving him a physical.

after 3 years and 3 surgeries he won't be the same guy that had a career year in 07-08.

It's (frank)ing 2012 and we are still hoping for a guy to return and be the guy he was in 07?

Man, that is like hoping that lightning will strike twice for Gomez and Gionta and they will match their production from 2005-06

How about this, take away the one magical season where the whole team was running on overdrive in 07-08 and how many games did we win and lose with markov in and out.

Or how about how many games did we win and lose with markov in and out prior to the star aligning 07-08 season.

The 07-08 season is the anomoly that is skewing your results.
- Oilhab

I understand your frustrations with the current team, but let me remind you that the focus of these pieces was on Markov and Green and the impact of their absences on their respective teams. The reason I included '07-08 was because it was the baseline season where both played 82 games - as I explained.

Removing that season and excluding the current one, the Habs are 70-43-20 with #79 in the lineup (he produced 101 points in those 133 games) vs 54-50-12 without #79 in the lineup.

That's still quite a difference. 27 games over .500 vs 4 games over .500 may not be entirely tied to his presence alone, but it was still a factor.

You can argue other factors, of which there are many, but my point was in highlighting just how much of a difference there was in how the team played with him and without him. Though he may never be the same player, the point is that much of Montreal and Washington's troubles are tied squarely to the health of their #1 defenseman.

Moving forward is still chock-full of question marks but the point is that be it Markov or Green, without an equivalent talent in place, neither team is the same.

We are stuck with him for 2 years anyways as the goat was scared about losing him and decided to sign him to a contract without checking in on his rehab or giving him a physical.

after 3 years and 3 surgeries he won't be the same guy that had a career year in 07-08.

It's (frank)ing 2012 and we are still hoping for a guy to return and be the guy he was in 07?

Man, that is like hoping that lightning will strike twice for Gomez and Gionta and they will match their production from 2005-06
- Oilhab

Even if he's not as good as before, as long as he make the team better, so what ? That's a kind of logical fallacy : if someting is not perfect, skip it even if it would still help.

And maybe he will not be as good, but maybe he will. We need to try it to see. On the chance he does, it will be worth it. And since he's on LTIR anyways, it's not like his salary is preventing us to make moves.

Honestly I don't see any downside about having signed him, except maybe the media circus about when he will come back or not causing some distractions.

And for that matter, I don't believe this team is an Andrei Markov short of winning the cup neither. But I do believe the team is better with him, wathever the context. So if the team need to be rebuilt, then do it, but that's no reason to leave Markov out.

Even if he's not as good as before, as long as he make the team better, so what ? That's a kind of logical fallacy : if someting is not perfect, skip it event if it would still help.

And maybe he will not be as good, but maybe he will. We need to try it to see. On the chance he does, it will be worth it. And since he's on LTIR anyways, it's not like his salary is preventing us to make moves.

Honestly I don't see any downside about having signed him, except maybe the media circus about when he will come back or not causing some distractions.

And for that matter, I don't believe this team is an Andrei Markov short of winning the cup neither. But I do believe the team is better with him, wathever the context. So if the team need to be rebuilt, then do it, but that's no reason to leave Markov out.
- Popofjc

The team needs to move on.

As much as I agree how the "Markov" effect colours the Habs I feel his injury also highlights the lack of impact players on the team. Elite teams with multiple impact players can play through the loss of a top tier player (See Philly). The Habs however have lacked a true top center for years so the loss of Markov has been glorified. The Gomez experiment is well documented and the best players on the team have not been their best players. Take Markov out of the mix and the Habs have been a run of the mill, average team without a true performer to take the reigns. Price has done his part as have DD, MP and EC. But the designated leaders on this team have disappeared. The culture seems flawed and management seem unwilling or unable to make the changes necessary. Not a happy time for Habs fans.

I understand your frustrations with the current team, but let me remind you that the focus of these pieces was on Markov and Green and the impact of their absences on their respective teams. The reason I included '07-08 was because it was the baseline season where both played 82 games - as I explained.

Removing that season and excluding the current one, the Habs are 70-43-20 with #79 in the lineup (he produced 101 points in those 133 games) vs 54-50-12 without #79 in the lineup.

That's still quite a difference. 27 games over .500 vs 4 games over .500 may not be entirely tied to his presence alone, but it was still a factor.

You can argue other factors, of which there are many, but my point was in highlighting just how much of a difference there was in how the team played with him and without him. Though he may never be the same player, the point is that much of Montreal and Washington's troubles are tied squarely to the health of their #1 defenseman.

Moving forward is still chock-full of question marks but the point is that be it Markov or Green, without an equivalent talent in place, neither team is the same.
- hindlehabs

an adendum here would be a lose is a lose and they are 70-63 with markov not very much more then a 500 team and add the playoff games with markov in those seasons and I bet it is probably even closer to 500.

They are 500 team.

"This is all part of the process"

-Pierre Gauthier