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Zach Jarom
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.01.2019

Nov 23 @ 9:05 AM ET
Zach Jarom: Gameday: Hawks vs Stars
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Nov 23 @ 9:36 AM ET
Thanks Zach!

It's interesting to see the different ways in which teams try to rebuild/retool/restart their franchises. Dallas seems to have done a pretty good job staying competitive and adding new talent (despite some down years). BUF, COL, EDM have all torn it down and gone with the ground up approach - with varying degrees of success.

I'm still not sure what route MIN is taking...
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Nov 23 @ 10:18 AM ET
FWIW, reporter Frank Seravalli has 4 Hawks on his list of top 20 trade candidates.
Kane #2
Toews #3
AA #13
Domi #17

https://www.dailyfaceoff....couver-canucks-bo-horvat/
Zach Jarom
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.01.2019

Nov 23 @ 10:22 AM ET
Thanks Zach!

It's interesting to see the different ways in which teams try to rebuild/retool/restart their franchises. Dallas seems to have done a pretty good job staying competitive and adding new talent (despite some down years). BUF, COL, EDM have all torn it down and gone with the ground up approach - with varying degrees of success.

I'm still not sure what route MIN is taking...

- Chunk


I think Min is just hoping they can survive the next few seasons of cap hell thanks to the interesting buyouts. If there is one team who is begging the players pay back the escrow debt so there is a large cap increase its Minnesota.
Zach Jarom
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.01.2019

Nov 23 @ 10:24 AM ET
FWIW, reporter Frank Seravalli has 4 Hawks on his list of top 20 trade candidates.
Kane #2
Toews #3
AA #13
Domi #17

https://www.dailyfaceoff....couver-canucks-bo-horvat/

- boilermaker100


We are around the quarter mark of the season, hopefully the trade picture starts to come in to focus more. I'd say mid January will be the time to start taking trade rumors seriously
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Nov 23 @ 10:50 AM ET
We are around the quarter mark of the season, hopefully the trade picture starts to come in to focus more. I'd say mid January will be the time to start taking trade rumors seriously
- Zach Jarom


You have to believe that the last month has entrenched Kane's opinion of his line mates and their inability to finish.
It might be an invalid assumption on my part, but he seems to be trying to do too much, is gassed at times and not comfortable trusting his linemates in their assignments.
Athanasiou:
I was watching London Knights in 2011 more to watch Namestnikov, Chris Tierney, Seth Griffith, and Jared Tinoirdi, but the 3rd line winger Athanasiou speed was evident, but with it was so many poor carries, lost chances and inability to play strong before shot attempts.
I know Athanasiou has had a thirty goal season 5 yers ago, but he projects as 15-19 goal scorer now, and of course, speedy players are now highly sought after to fit in the high pace tactics, but they have to be excellent passers and carriers too.

I know what they did here: Lafferty, Athanasiou give you foot speed, and Tinordi and Murphy and the lot are being asked to send bodily messages to attackers.

My biggest apprehension in the trade deadline is that they do not start in-roads on departures soon, as there simply have to be many 3rd teams involved in playoff team roster boosts.

I keep trying to jump into the shoes of the GMs on many of these teams that might seek a star addition, but then knowing that the draft is the building block, I start getting anxious, that I as GM, maybe screwing up the franchise for the next decade after a hawk player doesn't put us in the final.
And if I am not the Gm of the team adding a hawk, and I am Davidson, I am not making any Minn Wild type trades (Fleury) that picks are contingent of the recipient picks only go up to high quality slots IF they make the Finals...
theneek
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: United States, CA
Joined: 07.02.2008

Nov 23 @ 10:58 AM ET

Hey Zach, heads up your posts are not populating into the Blackhawks section. They only post on the main page.

Great job btw covering the team and the podcasts, all enjoyable.

Let’s see how the coming soon trades play out to improve this team. More Richardinson type trades please! That one was a HUGE winner.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Nov 23 @ 11:25 AM ET
Hey Zach, heads up your posts are not populating into the Blackhawks section. They only post on the main page.

Great job btw covering the team and the podcasts, all enjoyable.

Let’s see how the coming soon trades play out to improve this team. More Richardinson type trades please! That one was a HUGE winner.

- theneek


The same is true with all the team pages. They all show their last blogs near the end of October. probably a site issue.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rebuild!!! , IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Nov 23 @ 11:45 AM ET
FWIW, reporter Frank Seravalli has 4 Hawks on his list of top 20 trade candidates.
Kane #2
Toews #3
AA #13
Domi #17

https://www.dailyfaceoff....couver-canucks-bo-horvat/

- boilermaker100



Excellent....again all dependent upon each of them waiving their NMCs, but hopefully they do and Hawks can land some good picks and/or prospects to help in the future.
Zach Jarom
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.01.2019

Nov 23 @ 12:02 PM ET
You have to believe that the last month has entrenched Kane's opinion of his line mates and their inability to finish.
It might be an invalid assumption on my part, but he seems to be trying to do too much, is gassed at times and not comfortable trusting his linemates in their assignments.
Athanasiou:
I was watching London Knights in 2011 more to watch Namestnikov, Chris Tierney, Seth Griffith, and Jared Tinoirdi, but the 3rd line winger Athanasiou speed was evident, but with it was so many poor carries, lost chances and inability to play strong before shot attempts.
I know Athanasiou has had a thirty goal season 5 yers ago, but he projects as 15-19 goal scorer now, and of course, speedy players are now highly sought after to fit in the high pace tactics, but they have to be excellent passers and carriers too.

I know what they did here: Lafferty, Athanasiou give you foot speed, and Tinordi and Murphy and the lot are being asked to send bodily messages to attackers.

My biggest apprehension in the trade deadline is that they do not start in-roads on departures soon, as there simply have to be many 3rd teams involved in playoff team roster boosts.

I keep trying to jump into the shoes of the GMs on many of these teams that might seek a star addition, but then knowing that the draft is the building block, I start getting anxious, that I as GM, maybe screwing up the franchise for the next decade after a hawk player doesn't put us in the final.
And if I am not the Gm of the team adding a hawk, and I am Davidson, I am not making any Minn Wild type trades (Fleury) that picks are contingent of the recipient picks only go up to high quality slots IF they make the Finals...

- wiz1901


Watching him as of late and then seeing it in person he just looks beyond unhappy and just ready to move on. There was part of me that thought he would opt to stay but I will be shocked now if he is not dealt.
Zach Jarom
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.01.2019

Nov 23 @ 12:03 PM ET
Hey Zach, heads up your posts are not populating into the Blackhawks section. They only post on the main page.

Great job btw covering the team and the podcasts, all enjoyable.

Let’s see how the coming soon trades play out to improve this team. More Richardinson type trades please! That one was a HUGE winner.

- theneek


Appreciate the kind words! Yeah I have noticed that too, I will see if there is anything that can be done on the backend since it does appear to be an issue across the board.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rebuild!!! , IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Nov 23 @ 12:35 PM ET
You have to believe that the last month has entrenched Kane's opinion of his line mates and their inability to finish.
It might be an invalid assumption on my part, but he seems to be trying to do too much, is gassed at times and not comfortable trusting his linemates in their assignments.
Athanasiou:
I was watching London Knights in 2011 more to watch Namestnikov, Chris Tierney, Seth Griffith, and Jared Tinoirdi, but the 3rd line winger Athanasiou speed was evident, but with it was so many poor carries, lost chances and inability to play strong before shot attempts.
I know Athanasiou has had a thirty goal season 5 yers ago, but he projects as 15-19 goal scorer now, and of course, speedy players are now highly sought after to fit in the high pace tactics, but they have to be excellent passers and carriers too.

I know what they did here: Lafferty, Athanasiou give you foot speed, and Tinordi and Murphy and the lot are being asked to send bodily messages to attackers.

My biggest apprehension in the trade deadline is that they do not start in-roads on departures soon, as there simply have to be many 3rd teams involved in playoff team roster boosts.

I keep trying to jump into the shoes of the GMs on many of these teams that might seek a star addition, but then knowing that the draft is the building block, I start getting anxious, that I as GM, maybe screwing up the franchise for the next decade after a hawk player doesn't put us in the final.
And if I am not the Gm of the team adding a hawk, and I am Davidson, I am not making any Minn Wild type trades (Fleury) that picks are contingent of the recipient picks only go up to high quality slots IF they make the Finals...

- wiz1901


If looks/body language have anything to say about it....based on what I saw in person for the entire game after each shift frustration doesn't even begin to describe 88/19....lots of eye rolling/subtle head shakes coming off the ice. 1 game doesn't make a season, or cement a narrative....but as this continues to get worse, and it will with Tinordi and Caleb Jones playing, and inferior talent up in the top 6....both will chomp at the bit to want to win and can control EXACTLY where they land....Have to think those smoke signals are sent to Davidson right after the holidays so he has plenty of time to get the best deal AND the buying team can maximize their investment by getting either in their lineup sooner rather than later.

What I am curious to see is how Kane navigates the young family variable in all of this. Believe, Amanda's, family is around here and with a young kid her support system when he is on the road will be long gone.... obviously Kane has the means to bring somebody with to help her...but have to think it'll be harder for him to pack up and leave then say 19.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rebuild!!! , IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Nov 23 @ 12:37 PM ET
I would NOT be surprised to see Kane leave at the deadline and then sign as an UFA in the summer for 2-3 years and see where they are at....could be 100% wrong on that guess, likely am, but if either would return after being dealt as an UFA I would bet heavily on 88 vs 19
stevefrmglencoe
Joined: 05.21.2013

Nov 23 @ 1:07 PM ET
Hard to believe Kane would want anything to do with this franchise in the summer. He will be able to sign with any contender on a one year deal and chase his next Cup for 5 seasons. He's always played great surrounded by talent. The GM has gutted it here.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Nov 23 @ 1:24 PM ET
What I am curious to see is how Kane navigates the young family variable in all of this. Believe, Amanda's, family is around here and with a young kid her support system when he is on the road will be long gone.... obviously Kane has the means to bring somebody with to help her...but have to think it'll be harder for him to pack up and leave then say 19.
- SteveRain


After January 17th Hawks play something like 25 of their last 40 games on the road. Not the same as being traded to a different team, but Kane will be spending a lot of time away from home the 2nd half of the season anyway.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Nov 23 @ 2:02 PM ET
You have to believe that the last month has entrenched Kane's opinion of his line mates and their inability to finish.
It might be an invalid assumption on my part, but he seems to be trying to do too much, is gassed at times and not comfortable trusting his linemates in their assignments.
Athanasiou:
I was watching London Knights in 2011 more to watch Namestnikov, Chris Tierney, Seth Griffith, and Jared Tinoirdi, but the 3rd line winger Athanasiou speed was evident, but with it was so many poor carries, lost chances and inability to play strong before shot attempts.
I know Athanasiou has had a thirty goal season 5 yers ago, but he projects as 15-19 goal scorer now, and of course, speedy players are now highly sought after to fit in the high pace tactics, but they have to be excellent passers and carriers too.

I know what they did here: Lafferty, Athanasiou give you foot speed, and Tinordi and Murphy and the lot are being asked to send bodily messages to attackers.

My biggest apprehension in the trade deadline is that they do not start in-roads on departures soon, as there simply have to be many 3rd teams involved in playoff team roster boosts.

I keep trying to jump into the shoes of the GMs on many of these teams that might seek a star addition, but then knowing that the draft is the building block, I start getting anxious, that I as GM, maybe screwing up the franchise for the next decade after a hawk player doesn't put us in the final.
And if I am not the Gm of the team adding a hawk, and I am Davidson, I am not making any Minn Wild type trades (Fleury) that picks are contingent of the recipient picks only go up to high quality slots IF they make the Finals...

- wiz1901


I think at this stage - with the number of teams that are going to want to get into the first round or more up or whatever - that they kinda need to take what they can get.

They're not going to get equal value for any of these players and I don't think that nothing is much of an option at this stage.

Regardless of how good he is, I don't think a team is going to put up two firsts and a prospect for Kane on an expiring deal. The Giroux deal is probably what the expectation should be.

If the Kane is a prospect a first and a second and the second turns into the first if someone like the Oilers make the finals - I would be OK with that condition. And that is a team that kind of needs to win now and they have the draft capital to make it happen. Plus the LTIR space and under performer they can move to shed salary and get a huge upgrade.

Toews (or Kane for that matter) with Mangiapane coming back to even out the money and provide longer term relief. Coleman has a NMC which makes that tough or of course Lucic but again you get the NMC hurdle there as well. Daryl loves Toffoli but Toews or Kane for a year are probably a big improvement there.

Carolina is gonna have LTIR space and I'd think they would be aggressive. Certainly he Islanders could be an option. Not sure how the Rangers make the money work and Florida has no assets.

Maybe St Louis gets aggressive with one year left of ROR and the Russian but man I'd be sad if either of those guys went there.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Nov 23 @ 2:05 PM ET
Hard to believe Kane would want anything to do with this franchise in the summer. He will be able to sign with any contender on a one year deal and chase his next Cup for 5 seasons. He's always played great surrounded by talent. The GM has gutted it here.
- stevefrmglencoe


Oh, I understand the reasoning to be tempted to do that.
The Amanda;'s family is here / support system works as a deterrent from her leaving, sure. (But she knew her husband's occupation can sometimes mean moving, right?

Does being closer to his sisters & parents mean Amanda feels comfortable there?

I think it is a stretch that Kaner goes west or North of the border WITH his young family.
(I guess he could afford to get a rental condo across from Madison Square Garden so she could visit there.)

Right now I am say the first decision is going to the playoffs (without a family move, since the playoff provide the time of year they are away the most as a team.)

That NEXT decision, well, that might be when the family threesome actually a set down roots elsewhere in increments depending upon if he "Hossa's himself to several contenders before he rides in the sunset.

This is being billed as "their decisions" and that protects the team being criticized if the return is less than we all expect (again like with the 'cat).
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Nov 23 @ 2:30 PM ET
Thanks Zach!

It's interesting to see the different ways in which teams try to rebuild/retool/restart their franchises. Dallas seems to have done a pretty good job staying competitive and adding new talent (despite some down years). BUF, COL, EDM have all torn it down and gone with the ground up approach - with varying degrees of success.

I'm still not sure what route MIN is taking...

- Chunk


Of course each circumstance is different helping decide which way a team goes as far as rebuilding or retooling but the Hawk's being completely devoid of prospect talent in the system left them really no choice but to tear the whole thing down.
stevefrmglencoe
Joined: 05.21.2013

Nov 23 @ 2:36 PM ET
Oh, I understand the reasoning to be tempted to do that.
The Amanda;'s family is here / support system works as a deterrent from her leaving, sure. (But she knew her husband's occupation can sometimes mean moving, right?

Does being closer to his sisters & parents mean Amanda feels comfortable there?

I think it is a stretch that Kaner goes west or North of the border WITH his young family.
(I guess he could afford to get a rental condo across from Madison Square Garden so she could visit there.)

Right now I am say the first decision is going to the playoffs (without a family move, since the playoff provide the time of year they are away the most as a team.)

That NEXT decision, well, that might be when the family threesome actually a set down roots elsewhere in increments depending upon if he "Hossa's himself to several contenders before he rides in the sunset.

This is being billed as "their decisions" and that protects the team being criticized if the return is less than we all expect (again like with the 'cat).

- wiz1901


Unless I missed it, he's not even married to her. You think she is going to have any impact at all on where he wants to play?
fvineze
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.10.2011

Nov 23 @ 2:43 PM ET
Meanwhile back at the ranch...

https://twitter.com/NHL/s...HX_jVQAjKkfjLM8PjqWg&s=19
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Nov 23 @ 2:45 PM ET
Unless I missed it, he's not even married to her. You think she is going to have any impact at all on where he wants to play?
- stevefrmglencoe



Sometimes individual people have different priorities, both in their careers and personal lives than someone on the internet thinks they should have.

Just something to think about, chief.
stevefrmglencoe
Joined: 05.21.2013

Nov 23 @ 2:49 PM ET
Of course each circumstance is different helping decide which way a team goes as far as rebuilding or retooling but the Hawk's being completely devoid of prospect talent in the system left them really no choice but to tear the whole thing down.
- Mr Ricochet


The new GM decided to trade Hagel, Dach and DeBrincat. All brought back pretty decent returns so there was talent in the system prior to the teardown.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Nov 23 @ 2:54 PM ET
FWIW, reporter Frank Seravalli has 4 Hawks on his list of top 20 trade candidates.
Kane #2
Toews #3
AA #13
Domi #17

https://www.dailyfaceoff....couver-canucks-bo-horvat/

- boilermaker100


With 2-3 Hogs seemingly able to make the jump full time my hope is a Dman off the NHL roster gets moved. ..... But it's good to read a national guy rate Domi and AA this high.

The most interesting guy on this list is Horvat. Known as a gamer 2 way player throughout his career he's now scoring goals too. #1 or #2 centers are damn hard to get.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Nov 23 @ 2:57 PM ET
The new GM decided to trade Hagel, Dach and DeBrincat. All brought back pretty decent returns so there was talent in the system prior to the teardown.
- stevefrmglencoe


That's what StanBow thought too but there was still no non-NHL prospects in the system. You think a retool would have worked with competent NHL coaching?
fvineze
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.10.2011

Nov 23 @ 3:00 PM ET
Maybe Kane will decide to represent the Women's National team in the next Olympics.
- mohel


At minimum it'll redefine a cross check...
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