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jsr1034
New York Islanders
Location: Doo wacko!, NY
Joined: 06.19.2007

Feb 7 @ 6:57 PM ET
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Feb 8 @ 10:39 AM ET
Batman’s dimebag found on the streets of Philadelphia
dellio
Calgary Flames
Location: In the night i sit alone wanting you crying out for you wondering who's loving you, AB
Joined: 11.29.2007

Feb 8 @ 8:29 PM ET
Pike_Tyson
Boston Bruins
Location: Compassion is a nice emotion , NY
Joined: 11.20.2011

Feb 9 @ 7:09 AM ET

- dellio

Just bought this tee

dellio
Calgary Flames
Location: In the night i sit alone wanting you crying out for you wondering who's loving you, AB
Joined: 11.29.2007

Feb 9 @ 12:08 PM ET
Just bought this tee


- Pike_Tyson

ya looks like a chinomen spideyface
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Feb 9 @ 2:12 PM ET
http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hread.php?thread_id=95131
Pike_Tyson
Boston Bruins
Location: Compassion is a nice emotion , NY
Joined: 11.20.2011

Feb 10 @ 7:06 AM ET
ya looks like a chinomen spideyface
- dellio

Yes the asians are known for their gigantic eyes.

Spot on.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Feb 10 @ 9:53 AM ET
EricNearBuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Frig off, Ricky!, NY
Joined: 09.04.2011

Feb 10 @ 10:23 AM ET

- shvingter88


doesn't give the full description in the embedded version and in the first few seconds i realize this girl is awesome. i have this cd, have attempted this song numerous times and trip all over myself in the first 20 seconds. she rules!
hockeypunk36
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 06.16.2010

Feb 11 @ 5:08 PM ET
dellio
Calgary Flames
Location: In the night i sit alone wanting you crying out for you wondering who's loving you, AB
Joined: 11.29.2007

Feb 11 @ 5:27 PM ET

- hockeypunk36

watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Feb 12 @ 12:33 AM ET
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 12 @ 9:30 PM ET
My recent article  on the relationship between Einstein's Theory of Relativity and superluminal neutrinos has triggered a series of comments. Some of them were reasonable, some others not. Among the reasonable doubts on this topic, there is a possible concern about the meaning of "limiting velocity", i.e. velocity that cannot be exceeded in the context of the theory. Could it be that we have found a new limiting velocity-  the one of neutrinos- and the theory still stands up with a new value for a fundamental constant c? Could it be that the speed of light is not well measured? Could it be that there are tiny matter effects that alter the speed of light in our measurements? The answer to all these questions is "NO" and the purpose of this article  is to clarify these issues. Let me state once again that:

"If we interpret OPERA results in term of neutrino velocity, then one has to modify Einstein's Relativity"

In order to understand why any discussion about the "real" value of the speed of light is pointless, let me rediscuss the issue of a limiting velocity without any reference to "speed of light" at all. Once again, the relevant formulae are the textbook ones mentioned in my previous article, and constitute a clear prediction of standard Lorentz invariance. For a free object:





Here "c" is a universal constant (i.e. not depending on the particular object you use), while m is the mass of the object. E, p,v are well-defined and measurable quantities named respectively  "energy","momentum" and "velocity" of the object.  A free object is a non-interacting object that propagates freely. As an "object" you can take whatever you like: an electron, a proton, a neutrino, but also a Ferrari car if you wish. Needless to say, you shouldn't use Ferrari cars with the purpose of testing the theory of Relativity; more on this later.

The physical meaning of "c" is of a "limiting velocity": the velocity if all objects must be less-than-or-equal-to "c", and "c" is the value to which the velocity tends as the energy E tends to infinity. This statement must hold for all objects, and the measured value of "c" must be the same for all objects. Measuring "c" for a given object implies measuring the values for (E,p) and extracting "c" from eq. (1) or measuring the values for (E,v) and extracting"c" from eq. (2). Usually the measure is repeated many times for different values of E in order to improve statistical accuracy.

All objects must travel slower than "c"...hey but, wait a minute! What if the measured value of "c" is wrong? And what if "c" is the speed of neutrinos, rather than of light? These are unjustified doubts since, as I will now show, the measured values for "c" are significantly different when comparing results from electrons and from OPERA neutrinos. On the other hand, Einstein's Relativity predicts that "c" has a universal value, that cannot depend on whether I use neutrinos or electrons to measure it.  This is a clear contradiction; therefore Einstein's Relativity has to be modified if we interpret OPERA results in terms of neutrinos velocity.

We need now to be more quantitative. In order to compare neutrinos with electrons, let me introduce a reference value, which I call "zuppaspeed":

z=299792458 m/s       (3)

The introduction of this reference value, which has no physical meaning at this stage, is by no means a necessary step, but this what is usually done in order to compare different experimental measures of a single unique quantity: the "universal limiting speed c". Since the "zuppaspeed" is not a measured quantity, but an arbitrarily introduced one, it has the exact value given by eqn (3). Now, experimental data for the quantity   as measured for electrons (see for instance arXiv:0905.4346) and for OPERA neutrinos (arXiv:1109.4897) give



The two values for delta should be compatible, since they refer to the same limiting velocity c; they are not compatible, game over. Relativity must be modified accordingly. And I have never mentioned "speed of light".

You should now not be much surprised to learn that the "zuppaspeed" is also known as the "speed of light in vacuum" as extracted from the Particle Data Group. But this is another story. Einstein has taught us that the speed of light is an invariant, not depending on the status of motion of the observer. It is very well measured, so we'd better use it a standard "ruler" instead of using a poorly defined, observer dependent quantity as the "meter".

Why shouldn't you use a Ferrari to test Relativity? There are probably many possible answers to this questions, but my time is over and I shall give my answer in another article. As for the million dollar bet, it goes as follows. I will give 100 dollars to anyone who, after reading this article, gives me strong arguments that convince me that I am wrong (I would like to bet more, but I am a poor man economically speaking). If  this doesn't happen, then Hank will give me 1 million dollars from the rich revenues he gets from Science 2.0. Since there are 1 million people reading Science 2.0, the probability that I loose is very high and I think this is a fair bet. Hank, are you reading this? Do you accept the bet?
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Feb 12 @ 10:13 PM ET
http://espn.go.com/video/...559460&categoryid=2378529

he knows why
Pike_Tyson
Boston Bruins
Location: Compassion is a nice emotion , NY
Joined: 11.20.2011

Feb 13 @ 7:17 AM ET
My recent article  on the relationship between Einstein's Theory of Relativity and superluminal neutrinos has triggered a series of comments. Some of them were reasonable, some others not. Among the reasonable doubts on this topic, there is a possible concern about the meaning of "limiting velocity", i.e. velocity that cannot be exceeded in the context of the theory. Could it be that we have found a new limiting velocity-  the one of neutrinos- and the theory still stands up with a new value for a fundamental constant c? Could it be that the speed of light is not well measured? Could it be that there are tiny matter effects that alter the speed of light in our measurements? The answer to all these questions is "NO" and the purpose of this article  is to clarify these issues. Let me state once again that:

"If we interpret OPERA results in term of neutrino velocity, then one has to modify Einstein's Relativity"

In order to understand why any discussion about the "real" value of the speed of light is pointless, let me rediscuss the issue of a limiting velocity without any reference to "speed of light" at all. Once again, the relevant formulae are the textbook ones mentioned in my previous article, and constitute a clear prediction of standard Lorentz invariance. For a free object:





Here "c" is a universal constant (i.e. not depending on the particular object you use), while m is the mass of the object. E, p,v are well-defined and measurable quantities named respectively  "energy","momentum" and "velocity" of the object.  A free object is a non-interacting object that propagates freely. As an "object" you can take whatever you like: an electron, a proton, a neutrino, but also a Ferrari car if you wish. Needless to say, you shouldn't use Ferrari cars with the purpose of testing the theory of Relativity; more on this later.

The physical meaning of "c" is of a "limiting velocity": the velocity if all objects must be less-than-or-equal-to "c", and "c" is the value to which the velocity tends as the energy E tends to infinity. This statement must hold for all objects, and the measured value of "c" must be the same for all objects. Measuring "c" for a given object implies measuring the values for (E,p) and extracting "c" from eq. (1) or measuring the values for (E,v) and extracting"c" from eq. (2). Usually the measure is repeated many times for different values of E in order to improve statistical accuracy.

All objects must travel slower than "c"...hey but, wait a minute! What if the measured value of "c" is wrong? And what if "c" is the speed of neutrinos, rather than of light? These are unjustified doubts since, as I will now show, the measured values for "c" are significantly different when comparing results from electrons and from OPERA neutrinos. On the other hand, Einstein's Relativity predicts that "c" has a universal value, that cannot depend on whether I use neutrinos or electrons to measure it.  This is a clear contradiction; therefore Einstein's Relativity has to be modified if we interpret OPERA results in terms of neutrinos velocity.

We need now to be more quantitative. In order to compare neutrinos with electrons, let me introduce a reference value, which I call "zuppaspeed":

z=299792458 m/s       (3)

The introduction of this reference value, which has no physical meaning at this stage, is by no means a necessary step, but this what is usually done in order to compare different experimental measures of a single unique quantity: the "universal limiting speed c". Since the "zuppaspeed" is not a measured quantity, but an arbitrarily introduced one, it has the exact value given by eqn (3). Now, experimental data for the quantity   as measured for electrons (see for instance arXiv:0905.4346) and for OPERA neutrinos (arXiv:1109.4897) give



The two values for delta should be compatible, since they refer to the same limiting velocity c; they are not compatible, game over. Relativity must be modified accordingly. And I have never mentioned "speed of light".

You should now not be much surprised to learn that the "zuppaspeed" is also known as the "speed of light in vacuum" as extracted from the Particle Data Group. But this is another story. Einstein has taught us that the speed of light is an invariant, not depending on the status of motion of the observer. It is very well measured, so we'd better use it a standard "ruler" instead of using a poorly defined, observer dependent quantity as the "meter".

Why shouldn't you use a Ferrari to test Relativity? There are probably many possible answers to this questions, but my time is over and I shall give my answer in another article. As for the million dollar bet, it goes as follows. I will give 100 dollars to anyone who, after reading this article, gives me strong arguments that convince me that I am wrong (I would like to bet more, but I am a poor man economically speaking). If  this doesn't happen, then Hank will give me 1 million dollars from the rich revenues he gets from Science 2.0. Since there are 1 million people reading Science 2.0, the probability that I loose is very high and I think this is a fair bet. Hank, are you reading this? Do you accept the bet?

- Feeling Glucky?


DS9 sucks.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 13 @ 10:53 PM ET
Just bought this tee


- Pike_Tyson

except its XXL?
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Feb 13 @ 10:58 PM ET
except its XXL?
- the_cause2000

XXL is a bit snug on tubby
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 13 @ 11:01 PM ET
XXL is a bit snug on tubby
- watsonnostaw


watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Feb 13 @ 11:02 PM ET
PIKEY! what did you get your girlfriend for valentines day? you gonna make an honest woman of her with a ring?

Pike_Tyson
Boston Bruins
Location: Compassion is a nice emotion , NY
Joined: 11.20.2011

Feb 14 @ 7:22 AM ET
XXL is a bit snug on tubby
- watsonnostaw



It's XL and actually that was a bit small around my shoulders.

How many of you can do chin-ups at 224lbs? EH?

I CAN.

(frank) YEAH!!!!!!!

Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Feb 14 @ 10:23 AM ET


It's XL and actually that was a bit small around my shoulders.

How many of you can do chin-ups at 224lbs? EH?

I CAN.

(frank) YEAH!!!!!!!

- Pike_Tyson



shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Feb 14 @ 2:42 PM ET

- Don'tForgetTocchet

Pike_Tyson
Boston Bruins
Location: Compassion is a nice emotion , NY
Joined: 11.20.2011

Feb 14 @ 3:29 PM ET

- Don'tForgetTocchet

the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 14 @ 7:08 PM ET


It's XL and actually that was a bit small around my shoulders.

How many of you can do chin-ups at 224lbs? EH?

I CAN.

(frank) YEAH!!!!!!!

- Pike_Tyson

how many chins do you have to lift though?
Pike_Tyson
Boston Bruins
Location: Compassion is a nice emotion , NY
Joined: 11.20.2011

Feb 15 @ 7:15 AM ET
how many chins do you have to lift though?
- the_cause2000



Like SIX!

(frank) YEAH
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