I thought Frost had a rough start to the game today with 3 bad turnovers, but the Flyers as a whole did not start well. As the game progressed and the Flyers got their footing, I thought Frost played well and generated a ton of chances. He is a nifty passer in the ozone, so much so that sometimes his linemates don't look ready to receive the puck when he sends it their way. Frost has got very good vision and offensive instincts.
- jd250

According to you he MUST score to stay in the lineup

fraud

The younger players are progressing, but where they will end up I have no idea. We will see how the season plays out. Tippet has 4 goals in 4 games, so I would say his season is going quite well. York is playing a tough position on the first pairing, it's going to take time to see what he ends up being. Same with Foerster and all the rest. But as a whole, they are progressing and the team is progressing. Big difference between last year when in the first 18 games the Flyers were 7-7-1 and the only reason was Hart stood on his head, and this season after they wipe Columbus tomorrow night the Flyers will be 10-7-1, and though Hart has played just as great this year, it's much more of a team this year.
- jd250

Cool...are you Eklund? The math is similar.

7-7-1 = 18 games?
10-7-1= 18 games?

According to you he MUST score to stay in the lineup

fraud
- corduroy

Well that's what Torts told him...wonder if he actually watched Frost play before the last couple of games. It's like he is just realizing that Frost might be more than an AHL talent after all.

Lol I got the sarcasm but just figured you'd bring up something like how when ND was on the ice, LV had better chances or that we couldn't score on a 5 minute PP. Sorry, I left out Coots, and he was indeed money today. I admit I was skeptical about his comeback, but happy to say I was wrong. I've been a Coots fan since he started but the back injury/surgery definitely had me apprehensive about a full recovery. I'm loving seeing Sanheim's play this season.
- Don Nachbaur

You seem to have difficulty in perceiving the difference between relative facts and hyperbole. Again, there is a forum here where you have an actual opportunity to challenge an opinion offered. For example, stating why you don't agree with a statement. You don't choose to do that. You frequently just choose to complain about a statement made rather than to actually address it. I welcome you to challenge my opinions offered on the merit of the actual opinion rather than just complaining about the point of view. I've responded to your frequent ad hominin attacks but this is a forewarning that I will no longer respond to that. I will gladly talk hockey with you but I'm tiring of your late night attempts to ambush with posts lacking hockey content. It no longer has any entertainment value and frankly, it bores me.

yet you have a coach/gm1 who actively wants to dress Nd GH and Poehlig.

Frost will be scratched tomorrow after taking that penalty. Zamula also out for Staal.
- hello it's me 2050

Exactly. This guy gets it

I don’t know about an extension, but I think he’s been extremely solid. There’s a guy who if he keeps up that pace becomes one hell of a trade chip.
- landros 2

If they go rebuild like they claimed then yes, he has a lot of value. If Torts flexes his scrotum on DB and they decide to keep walker after this season, then welcome back to the peak of mediocrity

I hear you but not sure what it will take to scratch ND. I like ND and I do like a good hockey fight, but he should only playing on occasion. There is no need for ND against teams that don't have fighters.
- Don Nachbaur

Just wait until staal gets back! It's a winning line up with ND and staal playing while frost ans Brink take turns sitting and developing at peak levels!

The younger players are progressing, but where they will end up I have no idea. We will see how the season plays out. Tippet has 4 goals in 4 games, so I would say his season is going quite well. York is playing a tough position on the first pairing, it's going to take time to see what he ends up being. Same with Foerster and all the rest. But as a whole, they are progressing and the team is progressing. Big difference between last year when in the first 18 games the Flyers were 7-7-1 and the only reason was Hart stood on his head, and this season after they wipe Columbus tomorrow night the Flyers will be 10-7-1, and though Hart has played just as great this year, it's much more of a team this year.
- jd250

You were asked what players on that list were having a strong season. You made the statement that they were progressing nicely and I guess the 17 game sample was enough for you to make that statement. However the 17 game sample was not enough for you to answer the question I posed to you. That is disingenuous and you know it. it is very easy to make a case that all but Farabee on that list have actually regressed from their overall play from last season. Not progressing. Although I readily admit the sample issue there. You're simply not being objective if you don't admit to that overall regression by the young players as a whole.
9-7-1 versus 7-7-1 is not a big difference. Not to mention it's not the same amount of games. Apparently, you're already counting the Columbus game in the win column. I'll remind you that this team has already lost to SJ this season.

Cutter Gauthier had a nice game against UConn on Friday night, got the game tying goal in the 3rd and then the OT winner, as BC won 5-4. Cutter with 2G and an assist!
- jd250

I hope he is everything that we hope he can be

Ok, well the Flyers can be Buffalo and just play the kids and lose game after game, season after season (see the link I provided the other day titled a cautionary tale about tanking) or they can bring kids up into a standard of winning and they can learn to be professionals. I don't want to be Buffalo, I'm sorry, I don't! I would rather root for a team that has a chance and gets progressively better season over season!
- jd250

100% correct here. 100%
So manny dummies on here.

Love hearing this! Can't wait to see Cutter and MM on the Flyers!
- Don Nachbaur

Same here! I don't expect cutter to be elite but MM has elite super star written all over him. I don't think we've seen somebody of his talent in a long long time

I thought Frost had a rough start to the game today with 3 bad turnovers, but the Flyers as a whole did not start well. As the game progressed and the Flyers got their footing, I thought Frost played well and generated a ton of chances. He is a nifty passer in the ozone, so much so that sometimes his linemates don't look ready to receive the puck when he sends it their way. Frost has got very good vision and offensive instincts.
- jd250

Frost only had one giveaway in the game. Not sure what you're watching. It's also not accurate that Frost generated a ton of chances in the game. Honestly it was a very quiet game offensively for Frost and his line.
Are you just learning that Frost has got very good vision and offensive instincts? I would think if you've been aware of that for a while, which you weren't, you would've never made the statement that Frost will be an AHL player for the most part.

Like I said, I don't want to be Buffalo, or Edmonton ... or Toronto, teams that tanked for great players but to do so created a culture of losing that they still can't get away from. When are you going to learn, if you inject super star players into a culture of losing, they will eventually accept losing also. No, for me, I want to root for a team that wants to win and doesn't accept losing. That is what Torts has brought to the Flyers, and in the nick of time. Whether you like to hear this or not, Hextall brought the culture of losing to the Flyers and only now are we starting to see change, all thanks to Torts!
- jd250

There is so much nonsense here that I don't know where to begin. You've been brainwashed by Tortorella. You ignore the success of teams that successfully built through the draft in acquiring high end talent by having to go through down years. Such as Colorado and Chicago. When are you going to learn what really wins in the NHL? It's not culture, or a standard or any of that bullpoop. Whether you like to hear it or not, Tortorella's culture building and standard has not won squat in almost two decades! He doesn't know what really wins in today's NHL and neither do you apparently. Tortorella does know how to manipulate fans such as yourself though.

You seem to have difficulty in perceiving the difference between relative facts and hyperbole. Again, there is a forum here where you have an actual opportunity to challenge an opinion offered. For example, stating why you don't agree with a statement. You don't choose to do that. You frequently just choose to complain about a statement made rather than to actually address it. I welcome you to challenge my opinions offered on the merit of the actual opinion rather than just complaining about the point of view. I've responded to your frequent ad hominin attacks but this is a forewarning that I will no longer respond to that. I will gladly talk hockey with you but I'm tiring of your late night attempts to ambush with posts lacking hockey content. It no longer has any entertainment value and frankly, it bores me.
- MJL

You are too funny - I agreed with you and you chose to turn it into an argument. You are obsessed with me posting at night. Sorry but aside from weekends, I work all day and have other commitments to my family, parents, etc. My down time is between 9-11 on weeknights. Back to the game...we won over a much better team and you were silent. I'm sure it ruined your day. If they lost, you would be euphoric posting about all aspects of the game the Flyers were not successful. Good night and good hockey!

Cool...are you Eklund? The math is similar.

7-7-1 = 18 games?
10-7-1= 18 games?
- TheFreak

typo, should have been 7-7-4 last year through 18 games.

There is so much nonsense here that I don't know where to begin. You've been brainwashed by Tortorella. You ignore the success of teams that successfully built through the draft in acquiring high end talent by having to go through down years. Such as Colorado and Chicago. When are you going to learn what really wins in the NHL? It's not culture, or a standard or any of that bullpoop. Whether you like to hear it or not, Tortorella's culture building and standard has not won squat in almost two decades! He doesn't know what really wins in today's NHL and neither do you apparently. Tortorella does know how to manipulate fans such as yourself though.
- MJL

For the past 6 seasons before Torts joined the Flyers, he was in Columbus. .. COLUMBUS!! What the F^%& did you expect him to really do with that team?? Torts brought that team as far as it would go. Look at the Blue Jackets now since he left! Your hatred of Torts blinds you.

Speaking of which, I would have expected you to be at the game today, after all it was Star Wars day!

You are too funny - I agreed with you and you chose to turn it into an argument. You are obsessed with me posting at night. Sorry but aside from weekends, I work all day and have other commitments to my family, parents, etc. My down time is between 9-11 on weeknights. Back to the game...we won over a much better team and you were silent. I'm sure it ruined your day. If they lost, you would be euphoric posting about all aspects of the game the Flyers were not successful. Good night and good hockey!
- Don Nachbaur

No, you chose to when you included the below as your opening comments

"Lol I got the sarcasm but just figured you'd bring up something like how when ND was on the ice, LV had better chances or that we couldn't score on a 5 minute PP."

Frost only had one giveaway in the game. Not sure what you're watching. It's also not accurate that Frost generated a ton of chances in the game. Honestly it was a very quiet game offensively for Frost and his line.
Are you just learning that Frost has got very good vision and offensive instincts? I would think if you've been aware of that for a while, which you weren't, you would've never made the statement that Frost will be an AHL player for the most part.
- MJL

Again, at the time I made the post I felt Frost was playing like an AHL player and I didn't see him making it in the NHL. He still might not, but he has certainly improved since then. I know what I watched today, and Frost had 3 bad turnovers in the 1st period, two in his d-zone and one in the o-zone. His line as a whole was pinned into their zone early but as the game went along got some chances. I noticed Frost made several nice plays when that line got o-zone time.

You are incredible. If I say Frost Sucks you argue with me. If I give Frost a compliment .. you argue with me. What would you do with yourself if I and countless others were not here on this forum for you to offload your obvious anger???

For the past 6 seasons before Torts joined the Flyers, he was in Columbus. .. COLUMBUS!! What the F^%& did you expect him to really do with that team?? Torts brought that team as far as it would go. Look at the Blue Jackets now since he left! Your hatred of Torts blinds you.

Speaking of which, I would have expected you to be at the game today, after all it was Star Wars day!
- jd250

What would I expect him to do with Columbus? Why institute a culture and standard of winning that you claim he is doing here. Take a look at the talent level of some of those Columbus teams. Certainly, comparable to the Flyers.
Tortorella has had plenty of talented teams in the last 20 years or so. He has taken them as far as he can, which isn't very far. That's the entire point. He is a limited coach.

Your love of Tortorella blinds you to reality. Just like your love of Fletcher did. I know how that turned out.

You were asked what players on that list were having a strong season. You made the statement that they were progressing nicely and I guess the 17 game sample was enough for you to make that statement. However the 17 game sample was not enough for you to answer the question I posed to you. That is disingenuous and you know it. it is very easy to make a case that all but Farabee on that list have actually regressed from their overall play from last season. Not progressing. Although I readily admit the sample issue there. You're simply not being objective if you don't admit to that overall regression by the young players as a whole.
9-7-1 versus 7-7-1 is not a big difference. Not to mention it's not the same amount of games. Apparently, you're already counting the Columbus game in the win column. I'll remind you that this team has already lost to SJ this season.
- MJL

The Flyers are winning tomorrow night, place your bet! It was a typo, I meant 7-7-4 through 18 games last season. That's right, the sample size is too small right now to really make any judgements of the younger players, including your boy Frost. TK looks great. Brink started out well but clearly the game was starting to pass him. Zamula had a good game today but has been bad the previous few games. Cates has definitely regressed so far, maybe sophomore slump. Frost has been Meh. Tippet is coming on and playing more confidently. As you have stated, Foerster was snake-bitten but he got his first today, hopefully it will open up for him now. York is not playing well so far but honestly, should he be in a top pairing role at this stage of his career? It's a long season with plenty more games to play, so we'll see how it pans out. All I do know, is this team is lightyears ahead of last year's team so far in this 17 game sample.

Again, at the time I made the post I felt Frost was playing like an AHL player and I didn't see him making it in the NHL. He still might not, but he has certainly improved since then. I know what I watched today, and Frost had 3 bad turnovers in the 1st period, two in his d-zone and one in the o-zone. His line as a whole was pinned into their zone early but as the game went along got some chances. I noticed Frost made several nice plays when that line got o-zone time.


- jd250

You didn't post that he was playing like an AHL player. You posted that he will never be more than an AHL player. Frost did not have 3 bad turnovers in the game. It was only one.

You are incredible. If I say Frost Sucks you argue with me. If I give Frost a compliment .. you argue with me. What would you do with yourself if I and countless others were not here on this forum for you to offload your obvious anger???
- jd250

it isn't about praising or complementing a player. It is about accuracy. Frost had a very quiet offensive game. That's just the fact. He did not create a bunch of chances in the game. That's just the simple fact. I think this forum would be better off if posters such as yourself were more informed.

What would I expect him to do with Columbus? Why institute a culture and standard of winning that you claim he is doing here. Take a look at the talent level of some of those Columbus teams. Certainly, comparable to the Flyers.
Tortorella has had plenty of talented teams in the last 20 years or so. He has taken them as far as he can, which isn't very far. That's the entire point. He is a limited coach.

Your love of Tortorella blinds you to reality. Just like your love of Fletcher did. I know how that turned out.
- MJL

Columbus had some talent, and Torts lead them to a few playoff series wins, but that was about right for those teams. If Columbus was able to keep some of that talent, maybe they would have had a chance to go further, but what good player is really going to want to play there? It was always a ridiculous place for an NHL franchise, right up there with Atlanta and Arizona. And finally, I didn't love Fletcher. I gave him a shot and supported him until it was clear he was complete screw up. I also gave Hextall the same shot by the way.

No, you chose to when you included the below as your opening comments

"Lol I got the sarcasm but just figured you'd bring up something like how when ND was on the ice, LV had better chances or that we couldn't score on a 5 minute PP."
- MJL

Sorry to be on point, but you typically post about how the Flyers were outplayed despite the score. I don't recall you posting anything positive after today's game. When they lose, you have plenty to say. It probably ruined your day when we won.

You didn't post that he was playing like an AHL player. You posted that he will never be more than an AHL player. Frost did not have 3 bad turnovers in the game. It was only one.

it isn't about praising or complementing a player. It is about accuracy. Frost had a very quiet offensive game. That's just the fact. He did not create a bunch of chances in the game. That's just the simple fact. I think this forum would be better off if posters such as yourself were more informed.
- MJL

Thank God we have you to correct us MJL! And Frost had at least 3 turnovers that I saw today. Maybe the HS intern keeping the game stats didn't see them.

The Flyers are winning tomorrow night, place your bet! It was a typo, I meant 7-7-4 through 18 games last season. That's right, the sample size is too small right now to really make any judgements of the younger players, including your boy Frost. TK looks great. Brink started out well but clearly the game was starting to pass him. Zamula had a good game today but has been bad the previous few games. Cates has definitely regressed so far, maybe sophomore slump. Frost has been Meh. Tippet is coming on and playing more confidently. As you have stated, Foerster was snake-bitten but he got his first today, hopefully it will open up for him now. York is not playing well so far but honestly, should he be in a top pairing role at this stage of his career? It's a long season with plenty more games to play, so we'll see how it pans out. All I do know, is this team is lightyears ahead of last year's team so far in this 17 game sample.
- jd250

Another contradiction. If the sample size is too small right now then why did you post that all of the young players are progressing nicely in an attempt to support Tortorella? Not to mention that as even you pointed out in the post above, that it is not accurate that all the young players are progressing nicely.

I'm going to clue you in here. The main reason why the Flyers are improved, is not the coaching of Tortorella. It's the addition of players such as Couturier and Atkinson in the lineup. Farabee, a player whom you recently said you don't see him as a top 6 player, being healthy and improved. As well as Sanheim, whom in the last few weeks, you posted is a stiff who is not good offensively or defensively, has had a very good first quarter of the season. As well as strong goaltending by Hart and supportive contributions from players such as Walker.