Jeremy Laura: Big Stops, failed power plays and a bizarre goal as Wings fall to Panthers

As I look back, there's seems to be a steady decline in FOW, more importantly FO lost in the O-zone. FLA took our lunch money at the dot all night, but when we lose in the O-zone we end up scrambling to get back into a D mode and playing catch up. Not a good way to win games.

Joey V's playing a more holistic game and Sprong's been a revelation. Holl's simply there, until he's not. I will say that he takes away passing lanes well. He and Maatta are a decent 3D, but we need better.

Games are about momentum and aggression. For way too long, we wait for the game to come to us and are left chasing the score board. Several games this season have had that ebb n flow. Wondering if Hank n Nick are there to help assess the flow as well as personnel.... Somethin needs to change with flow.

Mazur, from some folks in GR, is rumored to be very aggressive on the ice, even in practice. I know someone who said he's a real "richard" on the ice without regard for practice or game. That could be good or bad, but he still needs to hone his game and his aggression. He'll be a good one, could be great once he learns control at the professional level. No one said it's a bad thing, rather his need to channel the aggression better. Like to hear what your folks say about him after a few games.

Skae-up needs to happen... I think it's human nature to seek comfort, which leads to complacency. That may be what's happening a bit. Can only say from my experience in training Soldiers that we always pushed them well out of their comfort zone, which made them better and more well-rounded. Something's a tick off and needs some love & attention if we're contenders. If nothing changes.....well, nothing will change.

Wings gotta start finding some ways to score in the first period. They have been awful the last 4 or 5 games in the first 20 minutes. Playing from behind every game is going to sink any chances for making the playoffs. Hopefully they don't go into a tailspin. Coaching staff need to do a shakeup or something and/or address this.

Wings gotta start finding some ways to score in the first period. They have been awful the last 4 or 5 games in the first the first 20 minutes. Playing from behind every game is going to sink any chances for making the playoffs. Hopefully they don't go into a tailspin. Coaching staff need to do a shakeup or something and/or address this.
- Vladdie_Kon1

Totally agree. With Boston’s Blue line issues, I’d consider letting Veleno slot in for Raymond to start. He skates hard and may help get the line jumping. Swap him back after start. Just my opinion but we need faster stronger starts and that may at least be worth a try.

As I look back, there's seems to be a steady decline in FOW, more importantly FO lost in the O-zone. FLA took our lunch money at the dot all night, but when we lose in the O-zone we end up scrambling to get back into a D mode and playing catch up. Not a good way to win games.

Joey V's playing a more holistic game and Sprong's been a revelation. Holl's simply there, until he's not. I will say that he takes away passing lanes well. He and Maatta are a decent 3D, but we need better.

Games are about momentum and aggression. For way too long, we wait for the game to come to us and are left chasing the score board. Several games this season have had that ebb n flow. Wondering if Hank n Nick are there to help assess the flow as well as personnel.... Somethin needs to change with flow.

Mazur, from some folks in GR, is rumored to be very aggressive on the ice, even in practice. I know someone who said he's a real "richard" on the ice without regard for practice or game. That could be good or bad, but he still needs to hone his game and his aggression. He'll be a good one, could be great once he learns control at the professional level. No one said it's a bad thing, rather his need to channel the aggression better. Like to hear what your folks say about him after a few games.

Skae-up needs to happen... I think it's human nature to seek comfort, which leads to complacency. That may be what's happening a bit. Can only say from my experience in training Soldiers that we always pushed them well out of their comfort zone, which made them better and more well-rounded. Something's a tick off and needs some love & attention if we're contenders. If nothing changes.....well, nothing will change.
- mcmastermike1968

I can’t argue. Holl will make some good plays and then some shifts not so much. They need chemistry for sure, but a shakeup at least to see if you can get a faster start is at least worth exploring.

I can’t argue. Holl will make some good plays and then some shifts not so much. They need chemistry for sure, but a shakeup at least to see if you can get a faster start is at least worth exploring.
- Jeremy Laura

Yeah, Holl may be a defensive D-Man, but it's like he's lost; tries to be offensive but isn't, tries to join the rush but isn't fast enough, etc... Just wonder if he needs to lock-down with Maatta & learn how to be a defensive D-man.....maybe I'm mis-reading him, that's ok..... Something's just kind of off. Now, that being said, he has a pretty good outlet pass, anticipates relatively well, has some decent qualities for sure......

The fact is, FL is a far superior team from top to bottom. They are a team Detroit should aspire to be. Detroit isn't going to ever have a McDavid, Bedard, J. Hughes or McKinnon. Having a super star to build around is not going to happen. They'll have to build a team like Florida. FL has stars, but only two players on their SCF roster last year had been players they drafted. Granted, they had better draft luck than Detroit so they had better assets to trade, but Detroit is going to have to build a similar team. A team that outworks their opponents every night of the week. I hope Detroit's players were paying attention last night because they were significantly outworked. Most foot races went to FL and Det had very little room to operate, even when on the PP. The empty net goal was a perfect example. Detroit lost the puck, it's goes down to Det's blue line and it's ONE FL player vs FOUR Det players and guess who won the battle for the puck?

The other thing is, I've been watching DeBrincat, people are saying he's hitting a slump or his start was a fluke. Watch him, he's getting open, he's on the side ready to tee it up, but Det simply can't get him the puck cleanly. He always has to adjust to the puck which negates his lethal one timers. I've only seen him get only a few clean pucks the last several games and he either barely missed, or a great save was made. They've got to find a way to get him the puck cleanly and they'll get more goals.

Yeah, Holl may be a defensive D-Man, but it's like he's lost; tries to be offensive but isn't, tries to join the rush but isn't fast enough, etc... Just wonder if he needs to lock-down with Maatta & learn how to be a defensive D-man.....maybe I'm mis-reading him, that's ok..... Something's just kind of off. Now, that being said, he has a pretty good outlet pass, anticipates relatively well, has some decent qualities for sure......
- mcmastermike1968

His favorite move when in the D zone corner and pressured is to shoot it up the boards to be intercepted by the opposing point man. for once I would like him to ring it around the opposite way or make a simple move to get a decent pass off.

The fact is, FL is a far superior team from top to bottom. They are a team Detroit should aspire to be. Detroit isn't going to ever have a McDavid, Bedard, J. Hughes or McKinnon. Having a super star to build around is not going to happen. They'll have to build a team like Florida. FL has stars, but only two players on their SCF roster last year had been players they drafted. Granted, they had better draft luck than Detroit so they had better assets to trade, but Detroit is going to have to build a similar team. A team that outworks their opponents every night of the week. I hope Detroit's players were paying attention last night because they were significantly outworked. Most foot races went to FL and Det had very little room to operate, even when on the PP. The empty net goal was a perfect example. Detroit lost the puck, it's goes down to Det's blue line and it's ONE FL player vs FOUR Det players and guess who won the battle for the puck?

The other thing is, I've been watching DeBrincat, people are saying he's hitting a slump or his start was a fluke. Watch him, he's getting open, he's on the side ready to tee it up, but Det simply can't get him the puck cleanly. He always has to adjust to the puck which negates his lethal one timers. I've only seen him get only a few clean pucks the last several games and he either barely missed, or a great save was made. They've got to find a way to get him the puck cleanly and they'll get more goals.
- bluelineenforcer

THIS^^^^^^ FLA straight up out-hustled the Wings all night, from the dot to the net. That being said, to hold FLA to ONLY 1 goal (and a fluke one at that....) is pretty impressive.

We definitely will need to develop talent and try to find those key pieces along the way. The problem is, of course, we never know what we drafted until we find out they either stink, or are great! It's gonna be a while before we play like the FLAs, BOSs, etc... AND we have to do it in a VERY competitive conference and division....

The fact is, FL is a far superior team from top to bottom. They are a team Detroit should aspire to be. Detroit isn't going to ever have a McDavid, Bedard, J. Hughes or McKinnon. Having a super star to build around is not going to happen. They'll have to build a team like Florida. FL has stars, but only two players on their SCF roster last year had been players they drafted. Granted, they had better draft luck than Detroit so they had better assets to trade, but Detroit is going to have to build a similar team. A team that outworks their opponents every night of the week. I hope Detroit's players were paying attention last night because they were significantly outworked. Most foot races went to FL and Det had very little room to operate, even when on the PP. The empty net goal was a perfect example. Detroit lost the puck, it's goes down to Det's blue line and it's ONE FL player vs FOUR Det players and guess who won the battle for the puck?

The other thing is, I've been watching DeBrincat, people are saying he's hitting a slump or his start was a fluke. Watch him, he's getting open, he's on the side ready to tee it up, but Det simply can't get him the puck cleanly. He always has to adjust to the puck which negates his lethal one timers. I've only seen him get only a few clean pucks the last several games and he either barely missed, or a great save was made. They've got to find a way to get him the puck cleanly and they'll get more goals.
- bluelineenforcer

I agree with you here. The last team to win the Stanley cup without any superstars was the St. Louis Blues. Big, strong, defensively sound and worked their butts off every single shift... and good defensive system made for the playoffs. Florida reminds me of them in some ways.

As I have stated previously, The Red Wings seem to start slow (especially at home) during the first period. They also have a habit over the years of stinking it up when they play an afternoon game at home. This is not new and has occurred over 20 plus seasons. They are way overdue to correct it.

I agree with you here. The last team to win the Stanley cup without any superstars was the St. Louis Blues. Big, strong, defensively sound and worked their butts off every single shift... and good defensive system made for the playoffs. Florida reminds me of them in some ways.
- Vladdie_Kon1

What about Vegas? How many on their team are their own draft picks (i don't count expansion draft as draft picks)? Answer is not many at all and none are superstars. The only superstar you could say they have is Eichel and they traded for him. They keep trading draft picks and prospects every year for what they need to stay on top along with signing UFAs. At some point it will catch up and they will have to do a full rebuild but that happens to every successful team at some point.


The Wings troubles since the Kraken game is teams have adjusted how they play the Wings. They all play them the same way giving them no time and space in all 3 zones and even special teams. They pressure the Wings defensemen on the points and force them to just throw it down the boards. All that pressure is forcing bad passes that either miss completely or are in skates. It forces the Wings to dump pucks into the offensive zone and most of the Wings players refuse to take a hit to be first on the puck along the boards. Instead they let the opponent go in first and try to wrap him up on the boards or lay a weak hit. They also are starting to flip the puck out of their own zone way too much again like they use to, giving up the puck in the neutral zone with the other team just firing it back in.

Wings coaching needs to adjust his system to this or else they will likely keep losing more than they win against good teams. Teams know this high pressure gameplan is how to beat the Wings and every team will come in playing this way against them. Not every team will have the players to execute it properly or might have an off-night, but so far since the Kraken game which started this way of playing them, the Wings are losing more than winning.

What about Vegas? How many on their team are their own draft picks (i don't count expansion draft as draft picks)? Answer is not many at all and none are superstars. The only superstar you could say they have is Eichel and they traded for him. They keep trading draft picks and prospects every year for what they need to stay on top along with signing UFAs. At some point it will catch up and they will have to do a full rebuild but that happens to every successful team at some point.


The Wings troubles since the Kraken game is teams have adjusted how they play the Wings. They all play them the same way giving them no time and space in all 3 zones and even special teams. They pressure the Wings defensemen on the points and force them to just throw it down the boards. All that pressure is forcing bad passes that either miss completely or are in skates. It forces the Wings to dump pucks into the offensive zone and most of the Wings players refuse to take a hit to be first on the puck along the boards. Instead they let the opponent go in first and try to wrap him up on the boards or lay a weak hit. They also are starting to flip the puck out of their own zone way too much again like they use to, giving up the puck in the neutral zone with the other team just firing it back in.

Wings coaching needs to adjust his system to this or else they will likely keep losing more than they win against good teams. Teams know this high pressure gameplan is how to beat the Wings and every team will come in playing this way against them. Not every team will have the players to execute it properly or might have an off-night, but so far since the Kraken game which started this way of playing them, the Wings are losing more than winning.
- dcz28

It's tough to compare Det to what LV has done. They were essentially gifted a top 10 player (and sometimes higher from teams with cap issues) from every single team which gave them a tremendous amount of assets to acquire other players or draft assets. They were able to turn those assets into 12 picks, including three top 15 picks in their first year. They had no legacy cap issues, no buyouts, no dead weight. By year two, they were already in a position to trade their 1st round pick to boost their already playoff team and they really haven't looked back since. Detroit is going to have to build the old-fashioned way, which takes much, much longer in the cap era.

It's tough to compare Det to what LV has done. They were essentially gifted a top 10 player (and sometimes higher from teams with cap issues) from every single team which gave them a tremendous amount of assets to acquire other players or draft assets. They were able to turn those assets into 12 picks, including three top 15 picks in their first year. They had no legacy cap issues, no buyouts, no dead weight. By year two, they were already in a position to trade their 1st round pick to boost their already playoff team and they really haven't looked back since. Detroit is going to have to build the old-fashioned way, which takes much, much longer in the cap era.
- bluelineenforcer

Wings aren't getting top 5 picks anymore (hell they only had 1 even when they sucked). They either will have to get very lucky in the draft, lucky that those already drafted exceed expectations/projections or they will have to trade for star players and what they need.

Florida had some top 5 picks. Barkov was 2nd overall, Ekblad was a 1st overall, Huberdeau was a 3rd overall. Bennett and Reinhart were not drafted by them but were also top 5 picks.

Point is the Wings chances of getting top 5 picks are over. Even top 10 is starting to seem unlikely so they either need to get lucky with their picks or they need to trade or sign what they need to compete for a cup. I don't expect Yzerman to start doing that this season but he likely will soon unless some of the prospects can reach or exceed expectations soon enough because they are more likely to be getting depth players where they will draft than star players.

Wings aren't getting top 5 picks anymore (hell they only had 1 even when they sucked). They either will have to get very lucky in the draft, lucky that those already drafted exceed expectations/projections or they will have to trade for star players and what they need.

Florida had some top 5 picks. Barkov was 2nd overall, Ekblad was a 1st overall, Huberdeau was a 3rd overall. Bennett and Reinhart were not drafted by them but were also top 5 picks.

Point is the Wings chances of getting top 5 picks are over. Even top 10 is starting to seem unlikely so they either need to get lucky with their picks or they need to trade or sign what they need to compete for a cup. I don't expect Yzerman to start doing that this season but he likely will soon unless some of the prospects can reach or exceed expectations soon enough because they are more likely to be getting depth players where they will draft than star players.
- dcz28

No Lotto luck for the Wings the last few years... Best case scenario is most of the Wings' top prospects exceed expectations. I still think Danielson and Edvinsson have the highest ceilings. Not sure about Kasper yet as I've not seen him play at all in Grand Rapids. I did hear Pellika is leading all defensemen in his Swedish league. I'm still not seeing any valid reason as to sending Danielson back to his junior team. He'd learn much more in GR and develop better IMO. I still think he was a great pick... Hoping he will be the elite player I think he could be. Very similar situation Boston has with Matthew Poitras. He's 19 just like Danielson... but they elected to keep in Boston instead of sending him back to his junior team... and it's paying off for the Bruins it appears...

No Lotto luck for the Wings the last few years... Best case scenario is most of the Wings' top prospects exceed expectations. I still think Danielson and Edvinsson have the highest ceiling. Not sure about Kasper yet as I've not seen him play at all in Grand Rapids. I did hear Pellika is leading all defensemen in his Swedish league. I'm still not seeing any valid reason as to sending Danielson back to his junior team. He'd learn much more in GR and develop better IMO. I still think he was a great pick... Hoping he will be the elite player I think he could be. Very similar situation Boston has with Matthew Poitras. He's 19 just like Danielson... but they elected to keep in Boston instead of sending him back to his junior team... and it's paying off for the Bruins it appears...
- Vladdie_Kon1

Danielson cannot go to GR this year that is why he is in Jr. Y has too many forwards to keep him up for now. Better luck next yr. Portias draft yr was '22, a yr ahead of Danielson.

Danielson cannot go to GR this year that is why he is in Jr. Y has too many forwards to keep him up for now. Better luck next yr. Portias draft yr was '22, a yr ahead of Danielson.
- HenryHockey

Tomas Tatar was 18 when he first went to Grand Rapids... what rule is preventing Danielson going to GR ?? Or do you mean there just isn't room on the roster for him?

Tomas Tatar was 18 when he first went to Grand Rapids... what rule is preventing Danielson going to GR ?? Or do you mean there just isn't room on the roster for him?
- Vladdie_Kon1

The CHL-NHL transfer agreement…

The CHL-NHL transfer agreement…
- Feds91Stammer

Ah... okay.

Ah... okay.
- Vladdie_Kon1

The CHL-NHL transfer agreement only applies to CHL Jr players that are drafted by NHL teams. It does not apply to Euro-players that ae drafted....of course. This agreement was not in effect till the past few years. It seems that the CHL should be able to retain the rights to some of their best players if they do not make it to their NHL draft team, rather than go to the AHL. Some are able to be retained in the CHL in D+2yr! It depends on their B-day not when drafted. Shane Wright was able to get a special exemption even though he missed the cut off date by 1 day!

Ah... okay.
- Vladdie_Kon1

That was the reason the Wings kept Rasmussen in the NHL after drafting him. They didn't want to send him back to the CHL and they couldn't play him in the AHL. They basically wasted a year of development with him because he wasn't good enough for the NHL but they didn't want him playing against small teenagers in the CHL anymore. He spent the next season in the AHL although he only played 35 games because of injury.

Danielson looked like he might be good enough to play in the Wings bottom 6 right now but that was pre-season where teams are not icing their real teams and top players aren't trying hard so it might be deceiving.

Personally, i do think that if you project a prospect to be a future top 6 forward or top 4 defenseman, they are likely better off in a lower league gaining confidence offensively while working out the kinks in their game than playing a bottom role in the NHL that might not suit their game or develop their offense.

The CHL-NHL transfer agreement only applies to CHL Jr players that are drafted by NHL teams. It does not apply to Euro-players that ae drafted....of course. This agreement was not in effect till the past few years. It seems that the CHL should be able to retain the rights to some of their best players if they do not make it to their NHL draft team, rather than go to the AHL. Some are able to be retained in the CHL in D+2yr! It depends on their B-day not when drafted. Shane Wright was able to get a special exemption even though he missed the cut off date by 1 day!
- HenryHockey

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that some form of the CHL-NHL transfer agreement has been in place since the NHL first lowered the draft age from 20 to 19 in 1979.

Basically a player drafted out of the CHL who doesn't make the NHL has to be offered back to their CHL team unless they're 20 (by Dec 31) or have already played 4 seasons in the CHL.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that some form of the CHL-NHL transfer agreement has been in place since the NHL first lowered the draft age from 20 to 19 in 1979.

Basically a player drafted out of the CHL has to be offered back to their CHL team unless they're 20 (by Dec 31) or have already played 4 seasons in the CHL.
- Sven22

You are definitely right that it has been in place for quite some time. Not sure on the exact year.

Henry may be confused because of the odd Zadina situation where he was deemed a European player on loan to the CHL and not a true "CHL player" which allowed him to join GR right after being drafted.

Jeremy Laura: Big Stops, failed power plays and a bizarre goal as Wings fall to Panthers
- Jeremy Laura

Lmao these people who follow Red Wings are hysterical. In the summer the team was terrible, the end was neigh and Yzerman was being questioned. Now they are playing meaningful games in November and at one point were 6-1-1.
Pretty sure Debby is leading the league in scoring and the team is playing much, much better.
It’s almost like Yzerman knows what he’s doing 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

Lmao these people who follow Red Wings are hysterical. In the summer the team was terrible, the end was neigh and Yzerman was being questioned. Now they are playing meaningful games in November and at one point were 6-1-1.
Pretty sure Debby is leading the league in scoring and the team is playing much, much better.
It’s almost like Yzerman knows what he’s doing 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
- optimus-reim