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Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: At the centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 21 @ 12:42 PM ET
I covet such an outfit.
- Zezel

I look a lot like the guy in the middle on the left.

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: At the centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 21 @ 12:47 PM ET
They can sign him to 800K and give him 15M in performance bonuses if they wanted to.

Any team can fit Kane in this season with it being a 35+ contract.

Like Bergeron and Krejci deals last year.

- Santo_44

I'm happy to be corrected, but I don't believe this is correct.

Kane doesn't turn 35 until November of this year.

He was 34 on June 30th of this year, which means he's not yet eligible.

From CapFriendly:

What is a 35-plus contract?

A contract is designated a 35+ contract if the players age on the first year of the contract is 35 or older (as of June 30 prior to the year of the effective contract).

35+ contracts that are two years in length or longer and:
1. Have a signing bonus in the 2nd or later year, OR
2. Are front-loaded

Will not benefit from a reduced cap hit regardless of the players location of play, termination, retired status, or a buyout. This rule was introduced by the NHL to prevent teams from backloading contracts past when the player was expected to retire. An exception to this rule is that a team will receive a $100,000 cap hit reduction if the player is on the 2nd or later year of the contract and assigned to the minors
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GO LEAFS GO, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Sep 21 @ 12:47 PM ET
I look a lot like the guy in the middle on the left.


- Atomic Wedgie






The google image search for that was interesting.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 21 @ 12:47 PM ET
TDL will be interesting.

With LTIR Leafs will be unable to accrue cap space so both Backlund and Tanev would be nearly impossible.

Dumba has a 3.9M cap hit and that double retained is 950K...conveniently at 3.9M instead of 4M for the reason that teams can double retain it and easily do a money in and money out deal with a 950K player.

Leafs don't really have players to dump at the TDL unless Klingberg is a complete failure. Which is also why I really believe they will be big on Kane...Can add him easily in the cap if structured for it.

- Santo_44


Agreed - Klingberg and maybe Jarnkrok are about the only flexibility they have for larger cap hit trades. Lilly (in my scenario) nets enough space for Tanev or Backlund. Even Timmins (if they juggle him into the start of year cap) and Lafferty would net you enough space to get someone at about 4.5M (double retained).
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GO LEAFS GO, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Sep 21 @ 12:50 PM ET
I never really watched The Six Million Dollar Man, so I wasn't aware that it had Bigfoot and aliens in the show. My childhood feels a little more bereft in light of this revelation.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imma Luigi, #1!, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 21 @ 12:52 PM ET
Figured you were the type to believe in conspiracy theories
- Santo_44

I believe we all descended from apes.

You’re all the proof I need.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 21 @ 1:00 PM ET
I never really watched The Six Million Dollar Man, so I wasn't aware that it had Bigfoot and aliens in the show. My childhood feels a little more bereft in light of this revelation.
- Zezel


The 70's and early 80's were great at cross-referencing pop culture.

Wonder what the globetrotters got paid for all their screen time on Scooby Doo?
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: At the centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 21 @ 1:03 PM ET
The 70's and early 80's were great at cross-referencing pop culture.

Wonder what the globetrotters got paid for all their screen time on Scooby Doo?

- The Law

I'm guessing less than what the Globetrotters got paid for their screen time on Gilligan's Island.

And yes, to answer the inevitable question, my family did see the Globetrotters at Maple Leaf Gardens.

Probably bought some hot cashews or a candy apple from the cart outside the Gardens before the show.

Just kidding - my dad was cheap as frank - no way we got a candy apple.
Big23Questions
Detroit Red Wings
Location: My Lovers call me Small23
Joined: 04.11.2018

Sep 21 @ 1:03 PM ET
Haha. Well, I try to make good memes, but sadly most Leafs fans are too stuck in their own beliefs that they don’t appreciate my hard work lol.

It’s obvious what Keefe and Tre are doing here. It’s a negotiating tactic. Make it harder for Willy to pad his stats, and expose his defensive problems by making him play C. If he gets 80pts and 40g as a 3C with 1 PP time, then great! Give him 10 mil.

- Arctic_AARDVARK



Man - that is absolutely not what’s happening. I think Willy as winger is better by the way - but the players agent will point to utilization for any stats dip.
Willys agent will also point out that Willy only had a total of three (3) less primary points that Marner who makes a boatload more money and additionally stats like Defensive zone giveaways as a winger where Willy only had 15 and Marner had 28.
Primary stats absolutely matter in negotiations. That is not opinion. It is absolutely a talking point for both GM and Player/Agent. It’s real. The other stuff of course the agent will cherry pick like I did there - that’s his job. Flatter his client and frankly bring down his comparable.
Big23Questions
Detroit Red Wings
Location: My Lovers call me Small23
Joined: 04.11.2018

Sep 21 @ 1:06 PM ET
Agreed - Klingberg and maybe Jarnkrok are about the only flexibility they have for larger cap hit trades. Lilly (in my scenario) nets enough space for Tanev or Backlund. Even Timmins (if they juggle him into the start of year cap) and Lafferty would net you enough space to get someone at about 4.5M (double retained).
- The Law




I read again Leafs looking into Peeke. That would be good get in my opinion. Defensive minded (bad +\- on a horrific team out of his norm and useless stat for most part) and ship out Brodie at 5M for Peekes 2.something. Save some cash there
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Sep 21 @ 1:07 PM ET
I'm happy to be corrected, but I don't believe this is correct.

Kane doesn't turn 35 until November of this year.

He was 34 on June 30th of this year, which means he's not yet eligible.

From CapFriendly:

What is a 35-plus contract?

A contract is designated a 35+ contract if the players age on the first year of the contract is 35 or older (as of June 30 prior to the year of the effective contract).

35+ contracts that are two years in length or longer and:
1. Have a signing bonus in the 2nd or later year, OR
2. Are front-loaded

Will not benefit from a reduced cap hit regardless of the players location of play, termination, retired status, or a buyout. This rule was introduced by the NHL to prevent teams from backloading contracts past when the player was expected to retire. An exception to this rule is that a team will receive a $100,000 cap hit reduction if the player is on the 2nd or later year of the contract and assigned to the minors

- Atomic Wedgie


You may be right.

Which if its the case then Kane may have some troubles getting any kind of money from a guaranteed contender.
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Sep 21 @ 1:11 PM ET

- ThatDarnCat

Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Sep 21 @ 1:12 PM ET
I believe we all descended from apes.

You’re all the proof I need.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Sick burn
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Sep 21 @ 1:17 PM ET
I never really watched The Six Million Dollar Man, so I wasn't aware that it had Bigfoot and aliens in the show. My childhood feels a little more bereft in light of this revelation.
- Zezel

andre the giant was bigfoot😍
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rope a Franking Dope!, ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 21 @ 1:29 PM ET
I'm happy to be corrected, but I don't believe this is correct.

Kane doesn't turn 35 until November of this year.

He was 34 on June 30th of this year, which means he's not yet eligible.

From CapFriendly:

What is a 35-plus contract?

A contract is designated a 35+ contract if the players age on the first year of the contract is 35 or older (as of June 30 prior to the year of the effective contract).

35+ contracts that are two years in length or longer and:
1. Have a signing bonus in the 2nd or later year, OR
2. Are front-loaded

Will not benefit from a reduced cap hit regardless of the players location of play, termination, retired status, or a buyout. This rule was introduced by the NHL to prevent teams from backloading contracts past when the player was expected to retire. An exception to this rule is that a team will receive a $100,000 cap hit reduction if the player is on the 2nd or later year of the contract and assigned to the minors

- Atomic Wedgie


The expected 6 month recovery from his June 1 surgery brings him to the end of November. I’d be surprised if the Leafs loaded a bunch of bonus money into next year. The Bruins digging a $4.5M hole for themselves for a final shot with the old gang is one thing. The Leafs doing it for 4 months and a hope for Kane is another.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GO LEAFS GO, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Sep 21 @ 1:30 PM ET
The 70's and early 80's were great at cross-referencing pop culture.

Wonder what the globetrotters got paid for all their screen time on Scooby Doo?

- The Law


Now we do it with food - Cheetos Kraft Dinner, etc
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: At the centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 21 @ 1:35 PM ET
The expected 6 month recovery from his June 1 surgery brings him to the end of November. I’d be surprised if the Leafs loaded a bunch of bonus money into next year. The Bruins digging a $4.5M hole for themselves for a final shot with the old gang is one thing. The Leafs doing it for 4 months and a hope for Kane is another.
- Canada Cup

They can't with Kane - it won't be a 35+ contract. No bonuses allowed.

So if I'm Kane's agent, the best advice I can give him is to sign with Leafs for league minimum and build up your value for 2004-05.

And damn, this jug of blue Kool-aid sure is delicious.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: At the centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 21 @ 1:37 PM ET
Blue Jays hoodie giveaway on September 29th:



I can't decide if this is hideous or not.

Kinda looks like pajamas.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GO LEAFS GO, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Sep 21 @ 1:38 PM ET
andre the giant was bigfoot😍
- Skalapy


Samuel Beckett used to give Andre The Giant rides to school in the back of his truck, out of compassion.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rope a Franking Dope!, ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 21 @ 1:40 PM ET
They can't with Kane - it won't be a 35+ contract. No bonuses allowed.

So if I'm Kane's agent, the best advice I can give him is to sign with Leafs for league minimum and build up your value for 2004-05.

And damn, this jug of blue Kool-aid sure is delicious.

- Atomic Wedgie

Even if he doesn’t sign until after his birthday? ( I don’t think he makes sense anyway.)
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: but prefer the country, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Sep 21 @ 1:43 PM ET
Blue Jays hoodie giveaway on September 29th:



I can't decide if this is hideous or not.

Kinda looks like pajamas.

- Atomic Wedgie


I vote hideous and fully agree it looks like Pajamas.

In addition why are the Jays cheap AF? The dome holds what 41K and change and most if not all of their promotional giveaways are for the first 15K fans only?

So stupid, just do less give away days and give a frigging bobble head or whatever to everyone.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: At the centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 21 @ 1:45 PM ET
Even if he doesn’t sign until after his birthday? ( I don’t think he makes sense anyway.)
- Canada Cup

According to the poop I read on CapFriendly, it only matters how old he was on June 30th of this year - which was 34.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: At the centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 21 @ 1:54 PM ET
Do I have time to poop before my 2 pm meeting?
senstroll
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Long Time Oilers Fan, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 21 @ 1:54 PM ET
Blue Jays hoodie giveaway on September 29th:



I can't decide if this is hideous or not.

Kinda looks like pajamas.

- Atomic Wedgie



I said the same thing when I saw the commercial

big
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Sep 21 @ 1:55 PM ET
They can sign him to 800K and give him 15M in performance bonuses if they wanted to.

Any team can fit Kane in this season with it being a 35+ contract.

Like Bergeron and Krejci deals last year.*

- Santo_44


*Those were hometown discounts and this is a different situation.

Sure the Leafs can try to sign him for 800k but will he sign for that amount?

What if the cap doesn't go up as much as we think it will go up. The Leafs will be screwed cap wise if he does meet all of his performance bonuses.
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