I watched the pre-season. I disagree that York was horrible. I won't speak for everyone though. Just for myself. It is now completely clear why York was sent down and it wasn't because he wasn't good enough to make the team.
- MJL

I remember York being a huge disappointment in the preseason. Most notably keeping pucks in at the blue line in the offensive zone and bad reads. No doubt York improved and worked his way up but I’m not gonna lie to any of you, I didn’t see enough from York on the power play all season to justify trading DeAngelo right now.

Which by the way, shouldn’t that trade be official today?

Yea, Minnesota still suffers from Chuck's anchor ⚓️ signings. On top of the flyer stuff.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Feltxher has left a path of destruction with every organization he's been to.
The contracts that he hands out seem to always hurt the franchise down the road as they do now, for both franchises to this day.
If anybody ever hires him again I'd be shocked but also be laughing as that ship hits the titanic, too

Have a question for the brain trust on here. Was Zadina a bad pick or poor development?
- ClaudeFather

This is honestly a great question. When I look at Zadina and wonder went wrong, I think of Tomas Tatar and Gustav Nyquist coming out of the wings system. Both looked promising early and then fell off. It’s gotta be a development issue because all three players seem to be lost in the wilderness when it comes to find that next gear in their game.

I remember York being a huge disappointment in the preseason. Most notably keeping pucks in at the blue line in the offensive zone and bad reads. No doubt York improved and worked his way up but I’m not gonna lie to any of you, I didn’t see enough from York on the power play all season to justify trading DeAngelo right now.

Which by the way, shouldn’t that trade be official today?
- SuperSchennBros

July 9th

July 9th
- funmaster18

It’s the 9th now??

It’s the 9th now??
- SuperSchennBros

Almost..... 2 more days though

Almost..... 2 more days though
- Bob Habib

Almost..... 2 more days though
- Bob Habib

I could swear today was the day.

I'm not dismissing anything. The evidence is overwhelmingly in my favor. Just like it was in every disagreement between you and I and we know how they turned out. Such as the issue with the senior advisors that you stubbornly denied.
- MJL

I haven't been able to keep up on here the past few days but seriously, are you still bringing up the senior advisors? So if Clarkie, Barber, and Homer are the dinosaurs, what are Sharp and Leclair gong to be called? You should follow the Golden Knights...they haven't been around long enough to have senior advisors who are stuck in the 70s...or the 90s for that matter

I guess there was more than that. A pre season game is only one part. These teams practice ever day as well. Things happen that we don’t see. When York was sent down I didn’t like it, but to his credit he didn’t sulk, came up and had a very good season over all. I likened it to when Giroux didn’t make the team out of camp. Some times a guy just needs a re focus. I’m sure having a guy like Torts come in with that reputation had something to do with a poor camp that even York has admitted to.
I agree he was a young player and a trip to the AHL has hardly hurt his career.
- landros 2

Excellent assessment! I also like how York responded. He will be one of our top D-men next year so no use crying about a few months on the Phantoms. If Yahoo Yeo sent him down, nobody would be complaining. That darn evil manipulator Torts, however....

The player was handled properly. Credit to York for being a professional and not being demoralized by the demotion. I’m not some huge Torts guy either, he certainly has his warts. But a lot of complaining is overblown, some is warranted
- ClaudeFather

Another excellent assessment! I've said before that I don't think Torts is the right fit for this team, but that's who we have and the negative obsession with him on here is really sad. I don't like a lot of things he does but I do like that he hold players accountable. He is old school and that's not going to change. By the time the team is relevant, he will be gone.

Oh ok, so the player himself admitted that he didn't have a good training camp, but you say he was fine. So I guess you're right.

- Phillywhiteout

He is always right! Just ask him and he will tell you!

This doesn't help your position. I'm embarrassed for you.
- MJL

Thus says "The Finisher!" I vote you the winner of every discussion on here, hands down. Congratulations and have a great weekend!

I haven't been able to keep up on here the past few days but seriously, are you still bringing up the senior advisors? So if Clarkie, Barber, and Homer are the dinosaurs, what are Sharp and Leclair gong to be called? You should follow the Golden Knights...they haven't been around long enough to have senior advisors who are stuck in the 70s...or the 90s for that matter
- Don Nachbaur

Sharp never played in the 90’s

I guess there was more than that. A pre season game is only one part. These teams practice ever day as well. Things happen that we don’t see. When York was sent down I didn’t like it, but to his credit he didn’t sulk, came up and had a very good season over all. I likened it to when Giroux didn’t make the team out of camp. Some times a guy just needs a re focus. I’m sure having a guy like Torts come in with that reputation had something to do with a poor camp that even York has admitted to.
I agree he was a young player and a trip to the AHL has hardly hurt his career.
- landros 2

Has it ever been pointed out that Ivan Provorov has never played a second in the AHL? This isn’t me tossing out credit. This is me wondering if he was rushed.

Has it ever been pointed out that Ivan Provorov has never played a second in the AHL? This isn’t me tossing out credit. This is me wondering if he was rushed.
- SuperSchennBros

I don't think Provorov was rushed at all. He was a very good young defenseman and played very well. I actually thought that he would be Norris trophy worthy at some point based on the way he played early on. My take is that he became overwhelmed from being on a bad team. He tried to do too much and it snowballed. I really thought he was a 1A defender, but it became obvious as time went on that he was more 1B and needed that support partner (see Niskanen). I think in the end trying to do too much sapped his confidence and then he just became tired of being on a losing team. We shall see how he fares in Columbus with Werenski I guess.

Are you implying that staying in the NHL at the start of the season depended not on his ability as a player but rather how he stood up for himself to the coaches unprofessional push for confrontation? By all accounts he went down to the AHL and played his ass off and worked to get back to the NHL. That's what a big boy and an adult does when given a set back.




Most coaches want push back on the ice. Not off it.



There is no information that suggests that York did any "crying" nor had his feelings hurt.





It is not hate. It is realizing that not only is Tortorella a badly flawed individual. His tactics both on and off the ice are obsolete and archaic and the NHL game has passed him by.
- MJL

Part of developing a younger player is to give him some set backs and see how he handles it. Torts didn’t like the way York was playing (he said several times York was not driving play enough) and now it appears he didn’t like the way he was handling himself off the ice either. So he gave him a set back and watched how he would handle it and apparently York handled it well. York starting the season with Flyers last year means nothing, York playing his butt off and overcoming this set back is priceless in terms of his development. Also Torts has mentioned several times that this season is going to be painful. The Flyers are rebuilding, everyone knows it including the coach. I think Torts understands that the young players get precedence.

Cutter Gauthier not coming to development camp on the surface might not be a big deal but the fact that the Flyers did not know why makes it a big deal. I mean you have Tanner L there at 26 years old doing everything possible to make the team and your top prospect doesn’t come at all? It’s certainly not about the money, I can tell you that for certain, and it’s not that Cutter has played too much hockey. I think there is something more here and it’s concerning. My guess is Cutter wanted to turn pro this year instead of next, and is upset. If that is all it is that will work itself out. My concern is it’s more than this, that perhaps Cutter might not want to sign with the Flyers. That would be devastating to the organization if that happened.

I haven't been able to keep up on here the past few days but seriously, are you still bringing up the senior advisors? So if Clarkie, Barber, and Homer are the dinosaurs, what are Sharp and Leclair gong to be called? You should follow the Golden Knights...they haven't been around long enough to have senior advisors who are stuck in the 70s...or the 90s for that matter
- Don Nachbaur

There is zero worthwhile content in this post. Seriously, you haven't been on in a few days and this is the first post you make. Pretty sad. Find some depth

I don't think Provorov was rushed at all. He was a very good young defenseman and played very well. I actually thought that he would be Norris trophy worthy at some point based on the way he played early on. My take is that he became overwhelmed from being on a bad team. He tried to do too much and it snowballed. I really thought he was a 1A defender, but it became obvious as time went on that he was more 1B and needed that support partner (see Niskanen). I think in the end trying to do too much sapped his confidence and then he just became tired of being on a losing team. We shall see how he fares in Columbus with Werenski I guess.
- Phillywhiteout

On one hand you say he wasn't rushed and then say he was overwhelmed playing on a bad team. That's a contradiction. Having to be the team's #1 all situation defenseman since he was 19 or 20 years old. Is being rushed. Why did he have to try and do too much?

Part of developing a younger player is to give him some set backs and see how he handles it. Torts didn’t like the way York was playing (he said several times York was not driving play enough) and now it appears he didn’t like the way he was handling himself off the ice either. So he gave him a set back and watched how he would handle it and apparently York handled it well. York starting the season with Flyers last year means nothing, York playing his butt off and overcoming this set back is priceless in terms of his development. Also Torts has mentioned several times that this season is going to be painful. The Flyers are rebuilding, everyone knows it including the coach. I think Torts understands that the young players get precedence.
- jd250

Think about what you're saying here. You're saying that you should manufacture setbacks for a young player and see how he handles it. As if adversity for a young defenseman won't present itself all on its own. That is ridiculously absurd. I stopped reading after that first sentence.

Sharp never played in the 90’s
- SuperSchennBros

Lol yes my bad! I should've phrased it as guys who played here 20ish years ago. I admit I don't really recall much about Sharp playing here aside from the Sens game with "Down goes Spezza!"

On one hand you say he wasn't rushed and then say he was overwhelmed playing on a bad team. That's a contradiction. Having to be the team's #1 all situation defenseman since he was 19 or 20 years old. Is being rushed. Why did he have to try and do too much?
- MJL

It's not a contradiction doofus. Try and read the comment and think it out instead of always looking to start a silly debate that you will lose anyway. He wasn't rushed cause he did just fine when he started in the NHL. He became overwhelmed with time because he had no support (he was very good his first couple of years) . Thus, he put everything on his shoulders and became overwhelmed. If he was rushed he would have played bad from the start and that wasn't the case. How can you not see these simple facts? Oh, that's right. You just love to complicate everything.

There is zero worthwhile content in this post. Seriously, you haven't been on in a few days and this is the first post you make. Pretty sad. Find some depth
- MJL

I will find some depth when you find some new things to complain about other than the dinosaurs, the archaic manipulator, the mediocre 3rd pair d-man, etc. I'm heading to work - enjoy your day arguing!

It's not a contradiction doofus. Try and read the comment and think it out instead of always looking to start a silly debate that you will lose anyway. He wasn't rushed cause he did just fine when he started in the NHL. He became overwhelmed with time because he had no support (he was very good his first couple of years) . Thus, he put everything on his shoulders and became overwhelmed. If he was rushed he would have played bad from the start and that wasn't the case. How can you not see these simple facts? Oh, that's right. You just love to complicate everything.

- Phillywhiteout

It's absolutely a contradiction. You just don't realize that he was overwhelmed because he was rushed into the #1 defenseman role at a very young age as a player. The effects of that are cumulative and happen over time. Not right away.