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Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jun 7 @ 1:52 PM ET
I would do that in an instant as the Flyers. Not sure about Anaheim.
- MBFlyerfan


For sure. Having the 22nd pick in your pocket makes 7 a bit more interesting. I'm thinking 4 is as high as the Flyers could move up to.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 7 @ 1:56 PM ET
Re: Edmonton and Hart

Campbell, 2024 1st, Broberg, Lavoie and 2023 2nd

for

Hart and Laczynski

Thoughts?

- Glak18


If the Flyers are taking on Campbell, I wouldn’t do it unless we got Holloway & Bromberg out of it. I’d suggest those 2 and this years 2nd for Hart and Laczynski. Oilers should be in WIN NOW mode and Hart and the cap relief from Campbell will certainly push them much closer.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 7 @ 2:21 PM ET
Ottawa could probably use Hart the most. But Ottawa has no 1st, 2nd or 3rd picks this year. I could see another 3 way deal where Hart goes to Ottawa and Ottawa move Debrincat somewhere for picks that go to Philly.

To Ottawa: Hart, 2023 3rd rounder(Buf), Casey Middelstadt
To Buffalo: Debrincat, Laczynski
To Philly: 2023 1st(Buf,13), 2023 2nd RD(Ordinally PHI), Alex Formenton

Could something like that work? Too much? Too little?

SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jun 7 @ 2:26 PM ET
Hear me out. No way I move from #2... BUT Ducks have two young centers already. Moving down to #7 where they get a winger or D plus Carter Hart... They can then get additional assets for Gibson.

Just spitballing

- cdearth23

Then take michkov at 7 laughing all the way to the bank
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 2:28 PM ET
Ottawa could probably use Hart the most. But Ottawa has no 1st, 2nd or 3rd picks this year. I could see another 3 way deal where Hart goes to Ottawa and Ottawa move Debrincat somewhere for picks that go to Philly.

To Ottawa: Hart, 2023 3rd rounder(Buf), Casey Middelstadt
To Buffalo: Debrincat, Laczynski
To Philly: 2023 1st(Buf,13), 2023 2nd RD(Ordinally PHI), Alex Formenton

Could something like that work? Too much? Too little?

- J35Bacher

not sur why Buffalo would want the Cat. They have other areas that need addressing.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jun 7 @ 2:28 PM ET
is MJL in timeout
- wcorvette

He finally went for a walk
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jun 7 @ 2:30 PM ET
[quote=Sinisalo4vr]
Hahahahahahhahaahahahahahahahaahjahaha he’s never had a job. Or gotten laid. This is been proven
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 7 @ 2:30 PM ET
not sur why Buffalo would want the Cat. They have other areas that need addressing.
- hello it's me 2050


I was just using EK's blog. But in the same idea, a 3rd team would pay the picks for acquiring Debrincat to Philly and Ottawa gets Hart.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 7 @ 2:35 PM ET
Ottawa could probably use Hart the most. But Ottawa has no 1st, 2nd or 3rd picks this year. I could see another 3 way deal where Hart goes to Ottawa and Ottawa move Debrincat somewhere for picks that go to Philly.

To Ottawa: Hart, 2023 3rd rounder(Buf), Casey Middelstadt
To Buffalo: Debrincat, Laczynski
To Philly: 2023 1st(Buf,13), 2023 2nd RD(Ordinally PHI), Alex Formenton

Could something like that work? Too much? Too little?

- J35Bacher


So the only thing the Flyers are giving up is Hart and Laczynski for their return?

If that was the case then that is pretty high value and I would take it. Not sure if Ottawa would like the return.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 2:36 PM ET
Another thing on this trade. all 3 teams kept it quiet as there wasn't any pre trade talk. Just find it interesting is all.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 2:37 PM ET
I was just using EK's blog. But in the same idea, a 3rd team would pay the picks for acquiring Debrincat to Philly and Ottawa gets Hart.
- J35Bacher

understood. Dont buy the sabres interest in hi however. Hart makes more sense than the cat.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 7 @ 2:42 PM ET
understood. Dont buy the sabres interest in hi however. Hart makes more sense than the cat.
- hello it's me 2050


I didn't know since they have Levi already. Would they want more of a short term vet to pair with him.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 7 @ 2:44 PM ET
understood. Dont buy the sabres interest in hi however. Hart makes more sense than the cat.
- hello it's me 2050


I have no clue why Buffalo would have any interest at all for Hart. They have Luukkonen and Levi in the pipeline. If they are making a trade for Hart they have to look at him as the foreseeable future. I can understand if it was just Levi there because he is going to need some time and experience. Buffalo would be better off targeting a shorter term experienced goaltender.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 2:44 PM ET
I didn't know since they have Levi already. Would they want more of a short term vet to pair with him.
- J35Bacher

Levi is a wildcard at this point. Sables need to make the playoffs next season. Had they had just solid goalie this year they were in. Yes a solid vet may make some sense 100%.

Hart just fits thier time line is all while Levi can get acclimated and not be the "savior".
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 2:51 PM ET
I have no clue why Buffalo would have any interest at all for Hart. They have Luukkonen and Levi in the pipeline. If they are making a trade for Hart they have to look at him as the foreseeable future. I can understand if it was just Levi there because he is going to need some time and experience. Buffalo would be better off targeting a shorter term experienced goaltender.
- Glak18

Buffalo is ready to win now, take that next step. They cant hope either of the 2 you mention don't poop the bed like their goalies did this year. They need a proven goalie. Maybe that goalie is a free agent. Hart make sense on a of of levels.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 7 @ 2:54 PM ET
Levi is a wildcard at this point. Sables need to make the playoffs next season. Had they had just solid goalie this year they were in. Yes a solid vet may make some sense 100%.

Hart just fits thier time line is all while Levi can get acclimated and not be the "savior".

- hello it's me 2050



I can see that. That is why I think Ottawa makes a ton of sense if they can get some picks in another deal.

With the Flyers already taking back Peterson, I can't see Edmonton because they would almost want you to take Campbell and Toronto I am sure would want Murray going the other way.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Jun 7 @ 2:54 PM ET
No he did not.
- mickel25


Anyone who has been in here regularly knows he’s been pounding the drum of “bad hire, not looking outside the franchise, no experience, went to some business night classes” since he was hired and gave him no chance to succeed. That he’s being “manipulated” by Torts at every move 🤣

It just wasn’t innovative enough for him
Thors-Hammer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Joined: 08.12.2013

Jun 7 @ 2:54 PM ET
A good first trade by Briere. Having no salary retention makes it even better. I'm not ready to trade Hart unless it's a great deal for the Flyers. What will Danny do with Ersson, Sandstrom and Peterson? I personally had more faith in Ersson than Sandstrom and I'm skeptical that Peterson will turn his career around? The Defense was suspect last season and next season looks to be worse. Hopefully TDB and Risto step their game up, but I'm not betting the farm on it. Maybe switching sides for York improves his game?
The draft will be very interesting. Hopefully Briere surprises us with some more good moves?
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 7 @ 2:55 PM ET
Buffalo is ready to win now, take that next step. They cant hope either of the 2 you mention don't poop the bed like their goalies did this year. They need a proven goalie. Maybe that goalie is a free agent. Hart make sense on a of of levels.
- hello it's me 2050


Are you ok? Do you need a nap?

Read the post! To make you look even more silly you basically regurgitated what I said and now you want to argue about it? Biden much?


ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 7 @ 2:56 PM ET
Buffalo is ready to win now, take that next step. They cant hope either of the 2 you mention don't poop the bed like their goalies did this year. They need a proven goalie. Maybe that goalie is a free agent. Hart make sense on a of of levels.
- hello it's me 2050

I think there will be better options for them to have than pay the price for Hart to make it work. They can get a guy that will be a 1A/1B for no assets or minimal
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 7 @ 3:00 PM ET
I think there will be better options for them to have than pay the price for Hart to make it work. They can get a guy that will be a 1A/1B for no assets or minimal
- ClaudeFather

Not that I'm saying Hart is the answer, but who are the 1A,1B out there that aren't going to cost more dollars than Hart?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 7 @ 3:07 PM ET
Not that I'm saying Hart is the answer, but who are the 1A,1B out there that aren't going to cost more dollars than Hart?
- Sinisalo4vr

They already have two goalies that can be one of the 1A/1B, they can go get a cam talbot or Freddie Andersen to pair with Levi or Luokko, they don’t need to pay premium for Hart. My post wasn’t about money, it was about paying assets
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 3:07 PM ET
Are you ok? Do you need a nap?

Read the post! To make you look even more silly you basically regurgitated what I said and now you want to argue about it? Biden much?

- Glak18

You said this"

"
I have no clue why Buffalo would have any interest at all for Hart. They have Luukkonen and Levi in the pipeline. If they are making a trade for Hart they have to look at him as the foreseeable future. I can understand if it was just Levi there because he is going to need some time and experience. Buffalo would be better off targeting a shorter term experienced goaltender."

clearly laid out why they would so no clue what you are talking about as you said the opposite of what I am saying.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 7 @ 3:09 PM ET
You said this"

"
I have no clue why Buffalo would have any interest at all for Hart. They have Luukkonen and Levi in the pipeline. If they are making a trade for Hart they have to look at him as the foreseeable future. I can understand if it was just Levi there because he is going to need some time and experience. Buffalo would be better off targeting a shorter term experienced goaltender."

clearly laid out why they would so no clue what you are talking about as you said the opposite of what I am saying.

- hello it's me 2050


Buffalo would be better off targeting a shorter term experienced goaltender."


That IS NOT Hart, in no reality whats so ever.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 7 @ 3:09 PM ET
They already have two goalies that can be one of the 1A/1B, they can go get a cam talbot or Freddie Andersen to pair with Levi or Luokko, they don’t need to pay premium for Hart. My post wasn’t about money, it was about paying assets
- ClaudeFather



Yeah.

They could even look at Jarry as maybe someone to pair with Levi. 2-3 year deal. He's only 28.
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