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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 12:14 PM ET
I love the rebuild and I think the top of the first round have as close to cant miss prospects as you can get, but beyond that, it is drafting and you need some luck. While I am excited about this draft, it is a top-end draft. If you move a TK or a Hart, you need some close to sure picks in return. I think Provy, it was time to move. TK seems to be a special player, I still believe in Hart and want to see how he looks with a real team. By all means move them, but you better win that deal by a clear margin.
- wcorvette

What is special about TK?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 7 @ 12:17 PM ET
They were rebuilding could have played younger guys I kid

I get that part just Torts didnt say a bad word. As I said could have sworn their was an article somewhat recent where he praised him a lot.

- hello it's me 2050


"He doesn't stay down. He's frustrating me at times, but how he handles himself. There aren't too many players that go about it that way.", Torts on Provy, April 10
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:17 PM ET
What is special about TK?
- hello it's me 2050



hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 12:21 PM ET

- Glak18

If TK is special then the league is full of special players.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:25 PM ET
If TK is special then the league is full of special players.
- hello it's me 2050


Trade him for future considerations now.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 7 @ 12:26 PM ET
I think Attard is ready to be an NHL player offensively. I have not seen enough of Zamula to make a prediction.

Hopefully TA is gone before the season starts.

- mickel25


But the problem is his defense. Can he be more than a PP specialist? Unless he makes incredible strides it’s tough to see an NHL player there.

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 12:28 PM ET
Trade him for future considerations now.
- Glak18

yep that is exactly what was said.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 7 @ 12:30 PM ET
If TK is special then the league is full of special players.
- hello it's me 2050

I would say he is "special" in the context that he is a 30 goal scorer just entering his prime with a reasonable cap hit, making him a prime asset to deal for a rebuilding team. That is pretty special.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:33 PM ET
Re: Edmonton and Hart

Campbell, 2024 1st, Broberg, Lavoie and 2023 2nd

for

Hart and Laczynski

Thoughts?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 12:35 PM ET
I would say he is "special" in the context that he is a 30 goal scorer just entering his prime with a reasonable cap hit, making him a prime asset to deal for a rebuilding team. That is pretty special.
- MBFlyerfan
He has to generating a lot of interest imo. So me there are def offers out there that are worthwhile taking.

so to me why take the risk bringing him back. To much could go wrong to me.

Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 7 @ 12:41 PM ET
Re: Edmonton and Hart

Campbell, 2024 1st, Broberg, Lavoie and 2023 2nd

for

Hart and Laczynski

Thoughts?

- Glak18


A steal for Philly. No way the Oil does that.

Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:44 PM ET
A steal for Philly. No way the Oil does that.
- Minnyhock


I actually feel the opposite...Campbell with 4 years left, probably not enough added to offset it.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jun 7 @ 12:50 PM ET
Re: Edmonton and Hart

Campbell, 2024 1st, Broberg, Lavoie and 2023 2nd

for

Hart and Laczynski

Thoughts?

- Glak18


10 million spent on 2 backup goalies!




Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jun 7 @ 12:50 PM ET
I actually feel the opposite...Campbell with 4 years left, probably not enough added to offset it.
- Glak18


Agreed, they are already carrying 5 million for Petersen. Taking on another bloated contract at goalie to move Hart makes little sense.

I think MTL makes a lot of sense. Suzuki and Caufield are signed long term. Add Hart to the Habs core. I do not expect #5 in a potential deal, but I do expect a 1st rd pick to be involved.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:53 PM ET
10 million spent on 2 backup goalies!
- WhiskeyMan


Agreed it doesn't make sense to carry that much bloat, but it is one way teams in rebuild mode accumulate assets by carrying other teams junk.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 7 @ 12:56 PM ET
If TK is special then the league is full of special players.
- hello it's me 2050

Agreed. He’s a good top three player with some sparse flashes beyond that. Calling him special is ridiculous. He barely even makes the all star roster for the East, let alone the entire league.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jun 7 @ 12:58 PM ET
Agreed it doesn't make sense to carry that much bloat, but it is one way teams in rebuild mode accumulate assets by carrying other teams junk.
- Glak18


Where is the cap space coming from? Still have to sign Cates, Frost, York, 7th Dman (who could come from Phantoms) and 2 additional forwards who also could be phantoms.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 7 @ 1:00 PM ET
Agreed. He’s a good top three player with some sparse flashes beyond that. Calling him special is ridiculous. He barely even makes the all star roster for the East, let alone the entire league.
- hereticpride


He's not a superstar, but he can easily be a 35 goal scoring winger with many intangibles that would benefit teams, especially in the playoffs.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 7 @ 1:00 PM ET
Where is the cap space coming from? Still have to sign Cates, Frost, York, 7th Dman (who could come from Phantoms) and 2 additional forwards who also could be phantoms.
- WhiskeyMan


I'm not trying to do the Flyers books, I'm just discussing trades in a bubble.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 7 @ 1:02 PM ET
10 million spent on 2 backup goalies!
- WhiskeyMan


It will feel like a Flyers tandem…
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 7 @ 1:03 PM ET
He's not a superstar, but he can easily be a 35 goal scoring winger with many intangibles that would benefit teams, especially in the playoffs.
- Glak18



add, he did all this while on the Flyers, he showed he can carry a line, or carry the O. Now, special doesn't mean McDavid or close to that, but he is coming into his prime and has the skillset for today's NHL and if he can even build a little on last season, special player. Any trade needs to reflect that...
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 7 @ 1:04 PM ET
is MJL in timeout
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 7 @ 1:06 PM ET
I actually feel the opposite...Campbell with 4 years left, probably not enough added to offset it.
- Glak18


EDM gave up nearly as many goals as the Flyers. I think Hart has a chance to thrive behind a solid defense. I don’t see EDM thinking Hart is the answer.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 7 @ 1:15 PM ET
I was just curious.

Some people I get the sense want a big haul but I just want quality return.

- J35Bacher


I’d just put him on waivers in the hopes he’s scooped up, clears cap space and has a great career somewhere else haha
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jun 7 @ 1:15 PM ET
Philly radio knows nothing about the Flyers.
- mickel25

True. Excellent point
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