I'm starting to believe Carlsson may fall out of the top 5, which would be stunning.
- Trox88

I didn’t think he looked that great at world juniors. Small sample but I wouldn’t be surprised if he dropped

I'm starting to believe Carlsson may fall out of the top 5, which would be stunning.
- Trox88

Can you explain please?

if one draft is deemed deeper that should have more value to me.
- hello it's me 2050

Still, the drop off between 13 to 22 is always significant, even in deeper drafts.

And 2023 is deep but it's not a 2003 or something.

Relevant to todays discussions.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....er-hart-worth-trading-for

Still, the drop off between 13 to 22 is always significant, even in deeper drafts.

And 2023 is deep but it's not a 2003 or something.
- Tomahawk

I would normally agree. And do to a point. But the amount of fluctuation between ranking is significant. I see some mocks where they have a guy in the top ten, then another where he is going in the 20's.

It's so all over the place.

Chuck Fletcher?
- Glak18

what about chuck fletcher?

what about chuck fletcher?
- hello it's me 2050

That's how Chuck Fletcher thinks.

Let’s bookmark this and see next year. Just a reminder, my response was to them not making playoffs. Their fourth overall finish would point to they were fine lmao 😂 what an idiotic post
- ClaudeFather

Look deeper into that. Toronto was 9 points from NOT making the playoffs. The East is actually pretty even actually. Assuming tb and Florida remain strong and Boston and Toronto slip some you have a battle of tor Bos buff ott fighting for 3rd spot… metro div blows maybe tor sneaks in as 7/8 seed? Maybe. I can see drop off of at least 10 points for leafs as buf ott det all get better in division. Maybe more. Wouldn’t shock me for them to go around that 90 point mark. And what of Matthews? Does he leave soon? If they can’t sign him do they trade him?

Can you explain please?
- Glak18

Ascension of Smith into the top 5. With Michkov attending the draft, I don't see him dropping out of the top 5. Leonard could turn into this year's Gauthier. Even Dvorsky seems to be gaining steam. Just a theory.

I would normally agree. And do to a point. But the amount of fluctuation between ranking is significant. I see some mocks where they have a guy in the top ten, then another where he is going in the 20's.

It's so all over the place.
- MBFlyerfan

There's a lot of parity between picks 8 to 40-ish, it just comes down to personal bias. I have a feeling that after the top 3-4 guys there will mainly be a lot of middle-six forwards and middle-pair dmen from the 1st-round when is all and said and done. Kind of a high-floor kind of draft.

don't disagree. i would say risto. less term/money. is what he is, but brings a physical element and has a blast from the point on the PP. if sanhiem has a better year then he would be.
- Peter Richards

Sanheim had a poor season last year but he is a much higher value that Ristolainen. Ristolainen's physical element is not a positive. He is not good in coverage in his own zone and for a guy who is supposed to be this physical monster. He is frequently beaten in space around the net. If he can provide some offense, that's probably the only way he can add some value. Sanheim, if he plays as capable, adds puck movement and offense to the team along with reliable defense.

Another mock draft over at the Athletic with Pronman making both picks for the Flyers.

He had Reinbacher at 7 and David Edstrom at 22, for what it's worth. Cristall, Stramel Ritchie, Brindley still on the board.

Relevant to todays discussions.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....er-hart-worth-trading-for
- MBFlyerfan

solid read. Also need to take into consideration what I said about TK. At some point does Hart want to win or waste his prime in a Gibson kind of way? No guarantee he re-ups. Though cant fault anyone for takin the cash when offered.

I also think he may fold a little in a huge hockey market like Toronto.

There's a lot of parity between picks 8 to 40-ish, it just comes down to personal bias. I have a feeling that after the top 3-4 guys there will mainly be a lot of middle-six forwards and middle-pair dmen from the 1st-round when is all and said and done. Kind of a high-floor kind of draft.
- Tomahawk

I agree with this.

The top 4 this year is ridiculous then the draft starts becoming like previous drafts which makes it deep.

Another mock draft over at the Athletic with Pronman making both picks for the Flyers.

He had Reinbacher at 7 and David Edstrom at 22, for what it's worth. Cristall, Stramel Ritchie, Brindley still on the board.
- TobyFlenderson

I don't like Pronman, never have.

Sanheim had a poor season last year but he is a much higher value that Ristolainen. Ristolainen's physical element is not a positive. He is not good in coverage in his own zone and for a guy who is supposed to be this physical monster. He is frequently beaten in space around the net. If he can provide some offense, that's probably the only way he can add some value. Sanheim, if he plays as capable, adds puck movement and offense to the team along with reliable defense.
- MJL

Care to give your thoughts/summary on the Ivan trade that Dany made? Share your opinion.

I don't like Pronman, never have.
- Glak18

Definitely like Wheeler more, wish he had mocked the picks for the Flyers.

Off topic, but loosely sport related:

CVS tweeted that Philadelphia has the worst air quality in the US right now. Someone responded: "Finally, the championship!"

Definitely like Wheeler more, wish he had mocked the picks for the Flyers.
- TobyFlenderson

Pronman tends to like to raise players up the rank while pushing others down that should not. I guess he does it to stand out and be different so one of the times he can proclaim "I got one no one else did!!". I don't like his reasoning for these moves either.

I remember he had Makar ranked #19 in 2017 with other defensemen above him. Always thought it was wacky at the time and in retrospect looks downright stupid now.

I remember he had Makar ranked #19 in 2017 with other defensemen above him. Always thought it was wacky at the time and in retrospect looks downright stupid now.
- Glak18

Heiskanen #8
Pettersson #17
Makar at #18

Suffice to say his mocks don't usually age well.

Pronman tends to like to raise players up the rank while pushing others down that should not. I guess he does it to stand out and be different so one of the times he can proclaim "I got one no one else did!!". I don't like his reasoning for these moves either.

I remember he had Makar ranked #19 in 2017 with other defensemen above him. Always thought it was wacky at the time and in retrospect looks downright stupid now.
- Glak18

He did that last year by being the first (IIRC) analyst to have Slafkovsky going first and Wright falling to 4. Of course, he ended up being right and I'm sure he was insufferable on Twitter about it.

Sanheim had a poor season last year but he is a much higher value that Ristolainen. Ristolainen's physical element is not a positive. He is not good in coverage in his own zone and for a guy who is supposed to be this physical monster. He is frequently beaten in space around the net. If he can provide some offense, that's probably the only way he can add some value. Sanheim, if he plays as capable, adds puck movement and offense to the team along with reliable defense.
- MJL

the question wasn't about value, it was who would be easier to move.

Heiskanen #8
Pettersson #17
Makar at #18

Suffice to say his mocks don't usually age well.
- Tomahawk

He did that last year by being the first (IIRC) analyst to have Slafkovsky going first and Wright falling to 4. Of course, he ended up being right and I'm sure he was insufferable on Twitter about it.
- TobyFlenderson

Sounds about right.

the question wasn't about value, it was who would be easier to move.
- Peter Richards

The value that a player adds to the ice isn't a factor in who would be easier to trade?

Another mock draft over at the Athletic with Pronman making both picks for the Flyers.

He had Reinbacher at 7 and David Edstrom at 22, for what it's worth. Cristall, Stramel Ritchie, Brindley still on the board.
- TobyFlenderson

Edstrom is out of nowhere.



Back on May 23 Wheeler did the picking and had Flyers taking Dvorsky at #7. Pronman had Mikhail Gulyayev going at #22.


https://thehockeywriters....t-baracchinis-mock-draft/

These guys have Leonard at #7. Perrault at #22. (May 22)

https://sportsnaut.com/20...draft-latest-projections/

May 30

Zach Benson at #7. Oscar Fisker Molgaard at #22





https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

Moore at #7, Brindley at #22


Pronman is nuts. Edstrom will not be the pick at #22.