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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 20 @ 10:00 AM ET
Of course it is valid. You don't even know what that stat is. You copied and pasted the example wording and never provided any link. Ristolainen gives up goals at the highest rate on the team this season. You continue to use one game samples. Ristolainen isn't close to being the Flyers best defenseman. He is arguably the worst defenseman on the team. How many times now is this that you labeled Ristolainen as the best defenseman on the team? Five or six times now? Right now, despite playing on his off side, York is the best defenseman on the team and it's not close.
- MJL

goals against or GA/60 are meaningless for an individual metric because there are 6 players on the ice, including the goalie. Risto or any player can do everything right but if the goalie doesn't save a shot he should or another player turns the puck over and that ends up as a goal against, all the players on the ice are impacted. That is why looking at the difference between xGA and xGF is a much better metric to use since now you are taking into account if your goalie lets up a bad one or the opposing goalie makes a great save.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 20 @ 10:00 AM ET
That "worst team in the NHL" still has more top-100 players than the Flyers do



- Tomahawk


Not one Flyer on the list. Embarrassing.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 20 @ 10:01 AM ET
This is pretty funny.

https://theathletic.com/4...ade-deadline-blockbuster/


Why Your NHL Team Should Make a Trade Deadline Blockbuster

Philadelphia Flyers
Listen to me carefully: Blockade whichever mush-brained Comcast big shot still thinks you don’t need to rebuild in the executive bathroom, then trade everyone with a pulse.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 20 @ 10:03 AM ET
... then trade everyone with a pulse.
- MBFlyerfan


So he's saying Braun and Brown are staying?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 20 @ 10:03 AM ET
give me the attitude and compete level of Tony D anytime over casper. Not even close. You claim you watch the games do you really think one doesn't throw his body around more than the other?
- hello it's me 2050


I watched the part where he threw his body at the puck and totally missed it, letting Chicago walk in and score their game winning goal.

Btw, I've been calling him Tony Angelo for months. Nice to see it catching on.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 20 @ 10:06 AM ET
Not one Flyer on the list. Embarrassing.
- PLindbergh31


I could be wrong, but the Ducks seem to be the only other team with those bragging rights.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Jan 20 @ 10:10 AM ET
give me the attitude and compete level of Tony D anytime over casper. Not even close. You claim you watch the games do you really think one doesn't throw his body around more than the other?

Cliff what kind of contract d you think Ghost will get now that he is an upcoming free agent? 4 years? 6 per?

- hello it's me 2050


agreed. and its a shame, of the two i would take one over the other every time for playoff hockey. but that point is moot.

other bonus is less of an injury history and a few years younger.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 20 @ 10:10 AM ET
So he's saying Braun and Brown are staying?
- Tomahawk



Dude, you are on a comedic roll!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 20 @ 10:11 AM ET
A 4-1 home loss to arguably the worst team in the NHL. Not ideal.

Flyers have maybe 1 player (Konecny) in the top 100 players in the NHL. Hard to fathom how void of talent they are.

- PLindbergh31

Looking at the top 200 fantasy players updated just yesterday, TK is #89, Hayes is #144.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 20 @ 10:12 AM ET
Looking at the top 200 fantasy players updated just yesterday, TK is #89, Hayes is #144.
- jd250


jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 20 @ 10:12 AM ET
I could be wrong, but the Ducks seem to be the only other team with those bragging rights.
- Tomahawk

Troy Terry is #111, Zegras is #183
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 20 @ 10:13 AM ET
Troy Terry is #111, Zegras is #183
- jd250


I guess we have to explain to you the difference between fantasy hockey and real life hockey now?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 20 @ 10:14 AM ET
I could be wrong, but the Ducks seem to be the only other team with those bragging rights.
- Tomahawk


They are in great company at least.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 20 @ 10:15 AM ET

Another nice goal from Frosty. Keep that up!

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 20 @ 10:16 AM ET
They are in great company at least.
- PLindbergh31


The only problem is that the Ducks are in position to add one in the entry draft and the Flyers... probably not lol
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 20 @ 10:19 AM ET
Had to back read to see what you did there.
- hockeylover


The old An y elmore treatment?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 20 @ 10:19 AM ET
I guess we have to explain to you the difference between fantasy hockey and real life hockey now?
- Tomahawk

oh ... and the Athletic is real life hockey? Says who? I saw the sheet you presented, I disagree with a lot of it. Fantasy hockey rankings I find to be insightful of the impact of a player.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 20 @ 10:24 AM ET
oh ... and the Athletic is real life hockey? Says who?
- jd250


The NHL "scouting staffs, analytics departments, and front offices" they surveyed?
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 20 @ 10:26 AM ET
oh ... and the Athletic is real life hockey? Says who? I saw the sheet you presented, I disagree with a lot of it. Fantasy hockey rankings I find to be insightful of the impact of a player.
- jd250


I don’t agree with that sheet in its entirety either, but the basic situation remains the same. Is that for skaters only? No goalies? TK is obviously playing at top line level this season. I don’t buy the defense excuse when on a bad team. Isn’t top line the bottom category anyway? …and he is the only Flyers skater making that level of impact.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 10:26 AM ET
goals against or GA/60 are meaningless for an individual metric because there are 6 players on the ice, including the goalie. Risto or any player can do everything right but if the goalie doesn't save a shot he should or another player turns the puck over and that ends up as a goal against, all the players on the ice are impacted. That is why looking at the difference between xGA and xGF is a much better metric to use since now you are taking into account if your goalie lets up a bad one or the opposing goalie makes a great save.
- jd250


GA/60 is the most relevant defensive state available. If we just use xGF% and ignore role and player usage, Nick Seeler is the 2nd best defenseman on the team behind Cam York. Enough said.

I guess the goalies let up bad goals the most when Ristolainen is on the ice.

Ristolainen and regressed to the point where he now a 3rd pair defenseman that has to be sheltered and limited in order to get any value out of him at all. That is the reality. For 5M a year and a player asset cost of a 1st, 2nd and another player.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 20 @ 10:26 AM ET
The old An y elmore treatment?
- Scoob


An_y _elmore is bae
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Jan 20 @ 10:26 AM ET
That's what I'm looking for. How well a player can break his stick over the net. Gostisbehere is just as good offensively as Angelo is. Gostisbehere is no defensive stalwart but he is better defensively than Angelo is. No doubt.
- MJL


I like players that hate losing. In all the year Ghost was here, I saw him get pissed off once, and that was the last game of the season when he nailed Friedman at the end of the game. Flyers lost to the "lowly" Hawks so they all should have been breaking their sticks.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 10:28 AM ET
I watched the part where he threw his body at the puck and totally missed it, letting Chicago walk in and score their game winning goal.

Btw, I've been calling him Tony Angelo for months. Nice to see it catching on.

- Feanor


Angelo is up in the neutral zone on the offensive side of the puck. Brutal.
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Jan 20 @ 10:29 AM ET
Another nice goal from Frosty. Keep that up!
- NC Flyers Fan


Yes, I sure like what I've been seeing with him lately. It's a good sign for the future.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 10:30 AM ET
I like players that hate losing. In all the year Ghost was here, I saw him get pissed off once, and that was the last game of the season when he nailed Friedman at the end of the game. Flyers lost to the "lowly" Hawks so they all should have been breaking their sticks.
- Don Nachbaur


You're assuming that if a player doesn't do something such as smashing his stick over the net, then he doesn't hate to lose? How many other Flyers players did that last night? Does that mean they don't hate to lose?
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