Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 1/19/23 vs CHI; Phantoms Update

Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 1/19/23 vs CHI; Phantoms Update
- bmeltzer

Thanks Bill.

Patrick Kane has chosen a helluva year to fall off the cliff. Yes, I am aware of the reports of the LBI. But still.

Kyle Davidson must be gnashing his teeth.

Amazing how bad the Hawks have become. Feel for Luke Richardson waited for his opportunity as a HC and is navigating the Titanic.

Amazing how bad the Hawks have become. Feel for Luke Richardson waited for his opportunity as a HC and is navigating the Titanic.
- Trox88

Waiting for the prize at the end.

dbth

Amazing how bad the Hawks have become.
- Trox88

Waiting for the prize at the end.
- MJL

Yes. I wonder what number bedard will wear for the Blackhawks. The nhl will be very happy with this imo.

We might as well trade our pick as you know we’re moving down…

Amazing how bad the Hawks have become. Feel for Luke Richardson waited for his opportunity as a HC and is navigating the Titanic.
- Trox88

They'll be done with another rebuild and have another Cup before the Flyers even begin to get a clue.

They'll be done with another rebuild and win another Cup before the Flyers even begin to get a clue.
- Tomahawk

No, they probably won't. They are likely in for a lot of pain for a lot of years, Bedard or not, unless they rebuild a nucleus and a supporting cast. Lots of developmental patience will be needed with no guarantees among all the other picks they're accumulating.

There aren't many 54th overall picks that turn out like Duncan Keith, years where you don't pick until 39th but get an Alex DeBrincat out of it or make a NHL roster bubble trade that turns out like the Matt Ellison for Patrick Sharp trade.

It's it possible the rebuild could be relatively swift with lots of strokes of good fortune smiling upon the franchise all over again beyond drafting Kane and Toews? Yes. It is likely? Odds say no.

What is the story with Ratcliffe?

He has only played 20 games and his production is almost non-existent. (2g 1a)

Considering what we gave up to move up and pick him (#35 for #44, 75, and #108) what a colossal bust both from the player and from a development perspective. At least somewhat ironically, none of those picks we traded have played a game in the NHL. (Filip Westerlund #44, Nate Shnarr #75, and Noel Hoefenmayer #108). Sadly they missed out on picking Jason Robertson (#39)

When he was up last season he looked like he could actually play.

Any insight on this Bill? Is it injuries? Development strategy? Confidence? All of the above.

It just seems crazy this kid somehow forgot how to score.

No, they probably won't. They are likely in for a lot of pain for a lot of years, Bedard or not, unless they rebuild a nucleus and a supporting cast. Lots of developmental patience will be needed with no guarantees among all the other picks they're accumulating.

There aren't many 54th overall picks that turn out like Duncan Keith, years where you don't pick until 39th but get an Alex DeBrincat out of it or make a NHL roster bubble trade that turns out like the Matt Ellison for Patrick Sharp trade.

It's it possible the rebuild could be relatively swift with lots of strokes of good fortune smiling upon the franchise all over again beyond drafting Kane and Toews? Yes. It is likely? Odds say no.
- bmeltzer

And what do the odds say about not doing a rebuild and winning a cup? And which fraction of the former odds are these latter odds?

Hawks were doomed when their big three demanded top pay, there wasn't enough cash to bring in better players around them.

They really haven't had a decent goalie since Crawford. Fleury and Lehner were there for a bit but other than that no one.

What is the story with Ratcliffe?

He has only played 20 games and his production is almost non-existent. (2g 1a)

Considering what we gave up to move up and pick him (#35 for #44, 75, and #108) what a colossal bust both from the player and from a development perspective. At least somewhat ironically, none of those picks we traded have played a game in the NHL. (Filip Westerlund #44, Nate Shnarr #75, and Noel Hoefenmayer #108). Sadly they missed out on picking Jason Robertson (#39)

When he was up last season he looked like he could actually play.

Any insight on this Bill? Is it injuries? Development strategy? Confidence? All of the above.

It just seems crazy this kid somehow forgot how to score.
- MBFlyerfan

I like how you are totally ignoring that it might just be another terrible draft pick

I assumed Ratcliffe was injured.

And what do the odds say about not doing a rebuild and winning a cup? And which fraction of the former odds are these latter odds?


- PT21

The odds don’t matter. Haven’t you ever seen Rocky? Do you know Bobby Clarke?

Philadelphia does it through grit and determination.

Next 10 games after the Hawks look really tough. If they go .500 over that span it will be an accomplishment.

Thanks Bill.

Patrick Kane has chosen a helluva year to fall off the cliff. Yes, I am aware of the reports of the LBI. But still.

Kyle Davidson must be gnashing his teeth.
- PT21

Giroux got trashed by some for using his NMC to pick his destination, but he stayed healthy and the Flyers got a decent return for him. There was a whole lot of controversy over nothing, IMO.

No, they probably won't. They are likely in for a lot of pain for a lot of years, Bedard or not, unless they rebuild a nucleus and a supporting cast. Lots of developmental patience will be needed with no guarantees among all the other picks they're accumulating.

There aren't many 54th overall picks that turn out like Duncan Keith, years where you don't pick until 39th but get an Alex DeBrincat out of it or make a NHL roster bubble trade that turns out like the Matt Ellison for Patrick Sharp trade.

It's it possible the rebuild could be relatively swift with lots of strokes of good fortune smiling upon the franchise all over again beyond drafting Kane and Toews? Yes. It is likely? Odds say no.
- bmeltzer

The Flyers aren't in for a lot of pain for a lot of years? Flyers are likely to be a worse situation. A bubble playoff team that is capped out and hoping the stars align for a miracle run. The worst position a team can be at in the NHL.

The odds don’t matter. Haven’t you ever seen Rocky? Do you know Bobby Clarke?

Philadelphia does it through grit and determination.
- StepfordSam

I honestly think the current trajectory is due to bloodless corporate revenue preservation than the vibe you suggest.

I like how you are totally ignoring that it might just be another terrible draft pick
- ClaudeFather

Considering what we gave up to move up and pick him (#35 for #44, 75, and #108) what a colossal bust both from the player and from a development perspective.

How so?

How so?
- MBFlyerfan

Any insight on this Bill? Is it injuries? Development strategy? Confidence? All of the above.
And the above you posted is directed at the player not management. Colossal bust from management

Bill, did the Flyers ever kick the tires with Luke ?

Hawks were doomed when their big three demanded top pay, there wasn't enough cash to bring in better players around them.

They really haven't had a decent goalie since Crawford. Fleury and Lehner were there for a bit but other than that no one.
- WhiskeyMan

They had players like Panarin, Danault, Forsling and Teravainen, but Bowman traded them all away for next to nothing

No, they probably won't. They are likely in for a lot of pain for a lot of years, Bedard or not, unless they rebuild a nucleus and a supporting cast. Lots of developmental patience will be needed with no guarantees among all the other picks they're accumulating.

There aren't many 54th overall picks that turn out like Duncan Keith, years where you don't pick until 39th but get an Alex DeBrincat out of it or make a NHL roster bubble trade that turns out like the Matt Ellison for Patrick Sharp trade.

It's it possible the rebuild could be relatively swift with lots of strokes of good fortune smiling upon the franchise all over again beyond drafting Kane and Toews? Yes. It is likely? Odds say no.
- bmeltzer

I'll take years of pain with a clear direction over years of pain in the wrong direction.

They had players like Panarin, Danault, Forsling and Teravainen, but Bowman traded them all away for next to nothing
- Tomahawk

The demise of the Blackhawks was 100% self inflicted. Management compounded bad move after bad move, year after year