Pacioretty signing not looking so hot anymore, sucks for him. Brutal
- ClaudeFather

Yea, looks like a typical flyer always hurt signing.

He's a complete stiff. A neanderthal. What job is that? Nobody is touching Deslauriers with that contract. Giving him a 4 year deal is ridiculously laughable. That alone is a fire-able offense for a GM
- MJL

Haha love it! Stiff/neanderthal. You crack me up. Totally agree that the 4 year deal is ridiculous and Fletch should be gone, but ND isn't that bad. Don't forget that he's probably great in the room!

Haha love it! Stiff/neanderthal. You crack me up. Totally agree that the 4 year deal is ridiculous and Fletch should be gone, but ND isn't that bad. Don't forget that he's probably great in the room!
- Don Nachbaur

Yes he is that bad. I'll remind you of the factual information that I posted on the other page. When Deslauriers is on the ice, the other team scores 70% of the goals! This myth about being great in the room is what cracks me up.

Yes he is that bad. I'll remind you of the factual information that I posted on the other page. When Deslauriers is on the ice, the other team scores 70% of the goals! This myth about being great in the room is what cracks me up.
- MJL

I am sure you are correct with the numbers, but he plays limited ice time, so how bad is he really hurting the team overall? Bottom line, aside from his horrible contract, he is the least of our problems on game day. We are missing Coots and Cam, plus even with them, we have no major offensive threats and no real stud on D.

Looks like it was a really good game from the Phantoms tonight. I think they pass the baby Penguins in the standings with this win.

I am sure you are correct with the numbers, but he plays limited ice time, so how bad is he really hurting the team overall? Bottom line, aside from his horrible contract, he is the least of our problems on game day. We are missing Coots and Cam, plus even with them, we have no major offensive threats and no real stud on D.
- Don Nachbaur

The other team scores 70% of the goals. He's really hurting the team. I never understood why sometimes a team issue is minimized in importance because of the perception that it's the least of the team's problems. These bad trades and contract signings for subpar and overpaid players is the problem. It's one of the biggest reasons for why this organization is in the position it is.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/hurricanes-pacioretty-tears-achillies-two-weeks-after-returning-from-same-injury/
- NC Flyers Fan

At the end of the (frank)in game? Damn!

The other team scores 70% of the goals. He's really hurting the team. I never understood why sometimes a team issue is minimized in importance because of the perception that it's the least of the team's problems. These bad trades and contract signings for subpar and overpaid players is the problem. It's one of the biggest reasons for why this organization is in the position it is.
- MJL

i understand what you are saying but a 4th liner who plays 8-10 mins a game doesn't hurt the team. Our issues extend way beyond ND.

i understand what you are saying but a 4th liner who plays 8-10 mins a game doesn't hurt the team. Our issues extend way beyond ND.
- Don Nachbaur

This implies that having a better 4th line, one that doesn't lose the war most games, wouldn't help the team improve. He does hurt the team. That is a simple undisputable fact. Not to mention that a team in the Flyers position, has no business signing and using a player like him, at his age. They should be playing younger players with some upside on the 4th line. That there are bigger and more important issues with the team, doesn't remove that as an issue. That approach, makes zero sense.

Shame Ersson has to be sent back down. He played well. Can’t risk losing Sandstrom for nothing, though.

That pipeline in net is one of the better things we have going for us.

Yes he is that bad. I'll remind you of the factual information that I posted on the other page. When Deslauriers is on the ice, the other team scores 70% of the goals! This myth about being great in the room is what cracks me up.
- MJL

Ya, but he beats people up ...

This implies that having a better 4th line, one that doesn't lose the war most games, wouldn't help the team improve. He does hurt the team. That is a simple undisputable fact. Not to mention that a team in the Flyers position, has no business signing and using a player like him, at his age. They should be playing younger players with some upside on the 4th line. That there are bigger and more important issues with the team, doesn't remove that as an issue. That approach, makes zero sense.
- MJL

I have to agree here .. the Flyers coming into this season had no business signing FAs or trading for players like DeAngelo. If the organization truly cared about stepping away from an aggressive rebuild and instead focus on evaluation of their younger players, how do these moves make sense, especially when the team was cap-strapped already? It follows the same pattern since AV was fired, there does not seem to be a real plan here, and that is why this GM must go!

Fun fact: ND had a bit part in the movie Braveheart.

I guess the Flyers are really in tank mode now. I mean, I know the waivers situation, but Ersson looks like an NHL goalie to me while Sandstrom doesn't. Thanks!

I guess the Flyers are really in tank mode now. I mean, I know the waivers situation, but Ersson looks like an NHL goalie to me while Sandstrom doesn't. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Zero to do with tanking and everything to do with asset protection and player development.

The other team scores 70% of the goals. He's really hurting the team. I never understood why sometimes a team issue is minimized in importance because of the perception that it's the least of the team's problems. These bad trades and contract signings for subpar and overpaid players is the problem. It's one of the biggest reasons for why this organization is in the position it is.
- MJL

You know I agree because I have said basically the same thing. The Flyers organization lacks at the very top of the talent chart but there is no excuse for not developing and using their prospects that can make a bigger impact towards wins than signed UFAs and cost in trade players especially the 4th line and bottom defense pair. These players can be found in the Flyers system.

I really said a lot about this before last offseason but the Flyers flyered anyway. The deal with ND was particularly annoying due to the length of contract (and NTC). I just don’t think ragging on a player in this situation is helpful. I also don’t think this is something the Flyers can fix right now. Even a new GM. It has to be waited out. I do wish they would learn something from their mistakes. This kind of move being just one among many.

You know I agree because I have said basically the same thing. The Flyers organization lacks at the very top of the talent chart but there is no excuse for not developing and using their prospects that can make a bigger impact towards wins than signed UFAs and cost in trade players especially the 4th line and bottom defense pair. These players can be found in the Flyers system.

I really said a lot about this before last offseason but the Flyers flyered anyway. The deal with ND was particularly annoying due to the length of contract (and NTC). I just don’t think ragging on a player in this situation is helpful. I also don’t think this is something the Flyers can fix right now. Even a new GM. It has to be waited out. I do wish they would learn something from their mistakes. This kind of move being just one among many.
- NC Flyers Fan

We're on the same page with a lot of what you state but what does the ragging on the player comment mean? Is there anything posted on here that is helpful to the situation. It's a discussion board. Where we discuss players and the Flyers. If a player is brought up in discussion, then discussing that player is relevant.

We're on the same page with a lot of what you state but what does the ragging on the player comment mean? Is there anything posted on here that is helpful to the situation. It's a discussion board. Where we discuss players and the Flyers. If a player is brought up in discussion, then discussing that player is relevant.
- MJL

It’s true though I think it can be done without naming calling. I just personally think discussions like ND and Risto have been beat to death with nothing new coming out of them. Mostly I just scroll past. It’s probably a preference. Before last offseason, I thought it had value to repeat in the hopes the Flyers made different roster decisions or at least more folks would think about the possibility of different choices.

Right now everyone brings up Ratcliffe and his being scratched after playing reduced minutes on the 4th line for the Phantoms. I really feel the issue is connected. They probably lose him for nothing at this point.

Zero to do with tanking and everything to do with asset protection and player development.
- MJL

I get the asset protection, but not the player development perspective. Hell, Ersson has been outplaying Hart, so let him play in the NHL if he can handle it. Sandstrom seems like a dime a dozen goalie.

It’s true though I think it can be done without naming calling. I just personally think discussions like ND and Risto have been beat to death with nothing new coming out of them. Mostly I just scroll past. It’s probably a preference. Before last offseason, I thought it had value to repeat in the hopes the Flyers made different roster decisions or at least more folks would think about the possibility of different choices.

Right now everyone brings up Ratcliffe and his being scratched after playing reduced minutes on the 4th line for the Phantoms. I really feel the issue is connected. They probably lose him for nothing at this point.
- NC Flyers Fan

So, you're offended that I called him a neanderthal? In the context of hockey, he is. A player that was signed for his fighting. To protect players and the myth that he is going to create room for players. Which is laughable.
If we eliminate topics that have been beat to death, that eliminates 95% of the conversations on here. Including many made by you.

I get the asset protection, but not the player development perspective. Hell, Ersson has been outplaying Hart, so let him play in the NHL if he can handle it. Sandstrom seems like a dime a dozen goalie.
- Phillywhiteout

Hart is going to get the majority of the playing time. It is better for Ersson to go to the AHL and get the majority of the playing time.

This implies that having a better 4th line, one that doesn't lose the war most games, wouldn't help the team improve. He does hurt the team. That is a simple undisputable fact. Not to mention that a team in the Flyers position, has no business signing and using a player like him, at his age. They should be playing younger players with some upside on the 4th line. That there are bigger and more important issues with the team, doesn't remove that as an issue. That approach, makes zero sense.
- MJL

What young players should thy be playing currently? Any names?

So, you're offended that I called him a neanderthal? In the context of hockey, he is. A player that was signed for his fighting. To protect players and the myth that he is going to create room for players. Which is laughable.
If we eliminate topics that have been beat to death, that eliminates 95% of the conversations on here. Including many made by you.
- MJL

How could I be offended? I am not him. I am sure the percentage varies according to the individual posters. We all haven’t been hockey fans for the same amount of time for instance.

Let me ask then, what can the Flyers currently do to improve their 4th line? Keeping in mind where they are currently as a team and that maybe they try to trade someone like MacEwen at the deadline.

What do you make of the Ratcliffe situation?

Shame Ersson has to be sent back down. He played well. Can’t risk losing Sandstrom for nothing, though.

That pipeline in net is one of the better things we have going for us.
- Hesh_

What are you risking?

Zero to do with tanking and everything to do with asset protection and player development.
- MJL

If one has zero trade value, are they an asset?