Neither am I though I’m sure that will get lost in the hockeybuzz vacuum. I’m simply saying right now I’m not really sure how anyone can say that he was worth a first round pick? Anyone who does must be some incredible evaluator of young talent to make that judgement. You all missed your calling you should be nhl scouts because he has sucked for the most part even before this team started stinking it up.
- Cptmjl

If he has a good game tomorrow, it'll be, "And there were people who wanted him off this team!!!!"

We cannot tell Lane is a good or bad coach at this point and same for Romanov as a player.
- ses111

Sure, BUT again, I can’t say he was worth the 13th pick in any draft

Sure, BUT again, I can’t say he was worth the 13th pick in any draft
- Cptmjl

If he has a good game tomorrow, it'll be, "And there were people who wanted him off this team!!!!"
- UIF

100%


“You want him fired.” “You hate Beauvillier.”

Yes, now the above statements are true

- ses111

I get the thought process that nfbulldawg used where he said he’s further ahead in his development. Thought it at the time when I honestly knew next to nothing about him. Still, with what we’ve seen so far, at this point in time, sorry first rd pick for him is not looking good. Not sure if anyone noticed nobody throws 1st rd picks around too much anymore. Even contending teams which we are not.

I get the thought process that nfbulldawg used where he said he’s further ahead in his development. Thought it at the time when I honestly knew next to nothing about him. Still, with what we’ve seen so far, at this point in time, sorry first rd pick for him is not looking good. Not sure if anyone noticed nobody throws 1st rd picks around too much anymore. Even contending teams which we are not.
- Cptmjl

I'm usually not a fan of moving #1 picks. Romanov had the rep of being a big hitter and being able to move the puck. I'm not seeing these things right now.

Islanders need a clear plan for this deadline and Ledecky and Malkin need to know what they will do with Lou now.
- ses111

Agree on your statement, Lou has lost this season. Do the other GM’s out there want to deal with him?
Don’t get me wrong Lou is HOF but the window is closing.

I'm usually not a fan of moving #1 picks. Romanov had the rep of being a big hitter and being able to move the puck. I'm not seeing these things right now.
- ses111

You get glimpses of it. Hopefully he continues to mature in the right direction.

Yep. Even the best defensive structure ever invented combined with the perfect d-men to pull it all off would break down if they were constantly stuck in their own zone.
- UIF

100% because your defensive zone structure isn’t good if you’re caught in the zone constantly or at long intervals. Good defensive structure starts in your offensive zone.Then of course throughout the neutral zone to slow down or stop your opponents offensive progress. If the opposition in fact gains your defensive zone good defensive structure of course keeps the other team from scoring or pushing them to the outside. However good defensive structure stops your opponents offensive pressure and gains control of the puck with swift or controlled exit from your zone. The optimum defensive stand is breaking your opponents down in the neutral zone with quick transition against your opponent. Much like the leafs did exposing how porous the Islanders team defensive structure truly is lately.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Pelech is 28 and will be 29 at the start of next season. He'll start declining at some point in the not-so-distant future. Typically defenseman start to reach close to whatever their "peak" is around 25/26.

If Romanov establishes himself in 2-3 years as a reliable 2nd pairing defenseman it would, hypothetically of course, allow Chychrun to be the top-pair guy and Pelech could slide down to a defense-only/limited-minute 3rd pair role.
- eichiefs9

Totally disagree with this. There are many top rate Dman at 30 and older playing at the same level as they did when they were 25/26, maybe better.
Players mature at different rates and find their games at the NHL level differently as well.
A prayers longevity depends a lot on the player themselves and of course the injuries and idiosyncrasies of their career and the team they play for.

I'm not writing off Romanov yet. He is still plenty young. Just this year has been a struggle for him. I would have rather traded the #13 for a much needed forward though.
- ses111

I get what your saying. Unfortunately for whatever reason the Islanders management cannot seem to make that type of deal. Other teams know that they are desperate and will not budge.

First bold so what? Second bold at this point he is not a top 4 defenseman unless you’re arguing that he plays on the second pair so poof he’s a top 4. I’ll add this, like I always do, I don’t hate the kid. Like many have said he’s only 23 there’s room to grow but I don’t see how anyone can say, at this point at least, he was worth a mid first round pick. You can’t be happy if we get a 2nd for mayfield at the TDL and think this kid right now was worth a first round pick. He may turn out great for all any of us know but that’s far from a sure thing. Agree to disagree on this one.
- Cptmjl

I would be happy to get a 2nd round pick for Mayfield. Mayfield is a bottom two guy. I get that moving him at the deadline with a low salary has value but I would be happy with a 2nd.

My thought process on any draft is that if you are getting a legitimate player with NHL experience that can help team without detracting from your lineup it is a bonus. However, I do see your point regarding the position of the first round pick verses the current output.

I still believe that this could be the right moved. Who was taken at 13? Where are they now? Verses where Romanov is. Again, I understand your side. I also do not think a prospect or a 2nd would have gotten him.

Maybe Lou panicked. Unless you know without a doubt that you have a sure thing with a pick, I would take a play anytime. I could be wrong.

I would be happy to get a 2nd round pick for Mayfield. Mayfield is a bottom two guy. I get that moving him at the deadline with a low salary has value but I would be happy with a 2nd.

My thought process on any draft is that if you are getting a legitimate player with NHL experience that can help team without detracting from your lineup it is a bonus. However, I do see your point regarding the position of the first round pick verses the current output.

I still believe that this could be the right moved. Who was taken at 13? Where are they now? Verses where Romanov is. Again, I understand your side. I also do not think a prospect or a 2nd would have gotten him.

Maybe Lou panicked. Unless you know without a doubt that you have a sure thing with a pick, I would take a play anytime. I could be wrong.
- Nfdbulldawg

That’s exactly what Romanov is at this point in time irregardless of where his position is in the lineup. I say that knowing he could be something more sometime in the future. I get that’s why the return was high it’s a weighted risk. Kid played in Montreal well in that pressure cooker. I’m not saying I dislike the kid. Who knows maybe he’ll turn out I just didn’t like giving up that first after the season we watched last year. It was a miscalculation on Lou’s part imo.

That’s exactly what Romanov is at this point in time irregardless of where his position is in the lineup. I say that knowing he could be something more sometime in the future. I get that’s why the return was high it’s a weighted risk. Kid played in Montreal well in that pressure cooker. I’m not saying I dislike the kid. Who knows maybe he’ll turn out I just didn’t like giving up that first after the season we watched last year. It was a miscalculation on Lou’s part imo.
- Cptmjl

I think that is a fair assessment.

I think that is a fair assessment.
- Nfdbulldawg

I get your side as well. But who knows for once maybe we could have got lucky with a mid first round pick last draft. Maybe Romanov at some point will be better then whoever we could’ve picked but we could have been one step ahead of whatever we are headed into right now.

Totally disagree with this. There are many top rate Dman at 30 and older playing at the same level as they did when they were 25/26, maybe better.
Players mature at different rates and find their games at the NHL level differently as well.
A prayers longevity depends a lot on the player themselves and of course the injuries and idiosyncrasies of their career and the team they play for.
- nyisles7

Well you're certainly free to disagree, but you're disagreeing with something I didn't say

Andrew Gross @AGrossNewsday
3m
#Isles lines at morning skate

Beauvillier-Barzal-Cizikas
Lee-Nelson-Palmieri
Parise-Pageau-Holmstrom
Martin-Raty-Bailey

Andrew Gross @AGrossNewsday
2m
#Isles D-pairs at morning skate

Pelech-Pulock
Romanov-Mayfield
Bolduc-Aho

Andrew Gross @AGrossNewsday
3m
#Isles lines at morning skate

Beauvillier-Barzal-Cizikas
Lee-Nelson-Palmieri
Parise-Pageau-Holmstrom
Martin-Raty-Bailey

Andrew Gross @AGrossNewsday
2m
#Isles D-pairs at morning skate

Pelech-Pulock
Romanov-Mayfield
Bolduc-Aho
- eichiefs9

I forgot Dobson is out. The only good thing about that is we don't have to hear Butch say, "The Dobber."

I forgot Dobson is out. The only good thing about that is we don't have to hear Butch say, "The Dobber."
- UIF

Looking at this forward group makes you want to

Looking at this forward group makes you want to

- ses111

Yeah, it's not great, but I think this group has more than like 1.5g/game in them, or whatever they've averaged over January. I wonder if Nelson and Barzal might work well together. At least there'd be a trigger man with Barzal.

And I guess it's all really good experience for Holmstrom and Raty...and also allows the team to evaluate them.

Yeah, it's not great, but I think this group has more than like 1.5g/game in them, or whatever they've averaged over January. I wonder if Nelson and Barzal might work well together. At least there'd be a trigger man with Barzal.

And I guess it's all really good experience for Holmstrom and Raty...and also allows the team to evaluate them.
- UIF

More and more I'm liking the idea of possibly trading Nelson and letting Raty get the 2C minutes the rest of the year.

More and more I'm liking the idea of possibly trading Nelson and letting Raty get the 2C minutes the rest of the year.
- ses111

Unless he's traded also, I'd think Pageau would get the 2C spot?

Unless he's traded also, I'd think Pageau would get the 2C spot?
- UIF

Pageau might get 2C UIF. I like Nelson, but he can go into these funks and he seems to have the Bailey vanilla no personality. Islanders have too many of these lack of passion type players.

Pageau might get 2C UIF. I like Nelson, but he can go into these funks and he seems to have the Bailey vanilla no personality. Islanders have too many of these lack of passion type players.
- ses111

I’m a Nelson fan but he does. A lot of rumors circulating around about trading him. The returns I saw were laughable. I’m sure they are absolute horse crap nobody knows what Lameriello is doing that I know. The only way Lou even considers it is if we’re going into a full tear down. I don’t see him doing that just yet.

Pageau might get 2C UIF. I like Nelson, but he can go into these funks and he seems to have the Bailey vanilla no personality. Islanders have too many of these lack of passion type players.
- ses111

I've been a fan of Nelson for a long time...I used to stream Bridgeport games back when he played there and he may have been the only accurate prediction I've ever made in my life as far as which prospect will make the team and contribute in the NHL

As for streakiness, I'm not sure there are too many players that are always on...if they were always on, they'd all have like 70 goals per season. But, yeah, Nelson's probably been streakier than most throughout his career, although I feel like he's leveled that out somewhat in recent seasons. He's a solid player. I'd be happy if the Isles kept him.

But, if they really are going to either tear it all down or even do a less drastic retooling, you have to trade older players that still have value. Nelson has a pretty hefty cap hit, but I don't think he's overpaid for what he contributes, so he might have value. I don't know how many other of the over-30 vets would have that kind of value. Lee makes more, has a longer contract, and has a full NTC this year. Palmieri makes less but hasn't performed well at all and he also has a full NTC. Pageau probably has too many years left on his contract.

I mean, we're saying "tear it down," but that might not be so easy to do!