Islanders might as well trade Barzal if they will not surround with with the right talents.

Cannot blame Lou on Bailey, but the Palms, Cal, Martin contracts are not looking good. Lou's loyalty and not seeing this team needed more talent even with the two long playoffs runs have hurt.

It's tough to blame Lane at this point. He may or may not be the answer.
- ses111

Not gonna trade barzal he just signed an 8 year deal, like it or not he's what they are going to build around

They dont start to make changes Sorokin will start to think about leaving. No one but him should be untouchable at this point. Maybe Dobson , but think about what you could get for him.

Not gonna trade barzal he just signed an 8 year deal, like it or not he's what they are going to build around
- Upstate_isles

I have to agree Upstate about not trading Barzal. Hopefully they do not waste him like they did with JT. Barzal need to clean up his game, but he needs help as well.

Not gonna trade barzal he just signed an 8 year deal, like it or not he's what they are going to build around
- Upstate_isles

Yeah all of the talk with trading Barzal is kind of nuts. Not happening.

I have to agree Upstate about not trading Barzal. Hopefully they do not waste him like they did with JT. Barzal need to clean up his game, but he needs help as well.
- ses111

Barzal is incredible from the waist down. Unfortunately he has the the shot of a skinny junior a player. He will never finish like JT. To think he will be the piece to build around.................thats a tough one. I personally would trade him along with any and all of the forwards that could get us a big return, especially Lee and Nelson. If you look at these above mentioned players, they are all far from complete players. One can skate like the wind and pass. One can crash and tip but can barely keep up. One can shoot better then the rest but is known to take long vacations mid season. The team needs to be blown up offensively.

Barzal is incredible from the waist down. Unfortunately he has the the shot of a skinny junior a player. He will never finish like JT. To think he will be the piece to build around.................thats a tough one. I personally would trade him along with any and all of the forwards that could get us a big return, especially Lee and Nelson. If you look at these above mentioned players, they are all far from complete players. One can skate like the wind and pass. One can crash and tip but can barely keep up. One can shoot better then the rest but is known to take long vacations mid season. The team needs to be blown up offensively.
- LItransplant44

So the solution to not having "complete players" is to blow up the team??? Sounds a tad extreme... Obviously, you listen to all offers, but unless some team is willing to massively overpay for a Barzal or Sorokin or Dobson, then I'm building around young guys like that. As has been said, great goalies are especially hard to find, so Sorokin is virtually untouchable.

Edit: Just re-read your post. You did specify "offensively", so I guess you're fine with keeping Sorokin and Dobson. I still disagree with getting rid of Barzal, however. He's young and signed long-term, so I don't think you give up his elite skating for anything less than a massive overpayment, as I said.

What is it that you love about JGP? Is it his lead hands or uncanny ability to finish?
- LItransplant44

While he has been snake bitten at the moment with goal scoring. He has many other assests, faceoffs, pp, pk, he can plug into any situation and ne successful.

Barzal is incredible from the waist down. Unfortunately he has the the shot of a skinny junior a player. He will never finish like JT. To think he will be the piece to build around.................thats a tough one. I personally would trade him along with any and all of the forwards that could get us a big return, especially Lee and Nelson. If you look at these above mentioned players, they are all far from complete players. One can skate like the wind and pass. One can crash and tip but can barely keep up. One can shoot better then the rest but is known to take long vacations mid season. The team needs to be blown up offensively.
- LItransplant44

Barzal has a great shot the issue is he doesn't use it enough or drive the net

I am left to conclude that you ruptured your Achilles during a rousing game of checkers.
- JohnScammo

Checkers! Pfft! It was chess.


I was working on my house carrying heavy stuff up from my basement. I heard the pop and instantly thought there went my Achilles. Then the pain came, followed by me saying "motherfacker,motherfacker,motherfacker" over and over under my breath for a few hours.

Checkers! Pfft! It was chess.


I was working on my house carrying heavy stuff up from my basement. I heard the pop and instantly thought there went my Achilles. Then the pain came, followed by me saying "motherfacker,motherfacker,motherfacker" over and over under my breath for a few hours.
- JimmyP

With mine, it felt like a rubberband had snapped inside my calf. Then surgery, a boot and a month of no weight on my leg, followed by a few months of PT.

Barzal has a great shot the issue is he doesn't use it enough or drive the net
- Upstate_isles

Yep. I feel like Barzal is still finding his game. Believe me he is at time times Oleg Kavasha level frustration to watch. When he’s on he’s awesome when he’s not you’re hurling your remote at the screen. I’m right there with everyone else on that. With that said he’s 25 and he has been playing with a collection of at best middle 6’ers his entire NHL career. He just signed a long term contract with the club so he’s not going anywhere unless of course he requests to be traded which I doubt is happening.

Club needs to find a way to give him some help and or improve his game because for better or worse he’s ours…

Yep. I feel like Barzal is still finding his game. Believe me he is at time times Oleg Kavasha level frustration to watch. When he’s on he’s awesome when he’s not you’re hurling your remote at the screen. I’m right there with everyone else on that. With that said he’s 25 and he has been playing with a collection of at best middle 6’ers his entire NHL career. He just signed a long term contract with the club so he’s not going anywhere unless of course he requests to be traded which I doubt is happening.

Club needs to find a way to give him some help and or improve his game because for better or worse he’s ours…
- Cptmjl

His best winger has been Eberle. That says a lot about how inept this franchise has been in free agency and with trades.

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- eichiefs9

This is definitely the season to see what these kids can do. I just hope they’re not being showcased for a trade to try and salvage this season.

This is definitely the season to see what these kids can do. I just hope they’re not being showcased for a trade to try and salvage this season.
- Cptmjl

It's starting to seem bizarre at this point. Just throwing young guys into the lineup at random over the last month or so with seemingly no plan.

Maybe they're showcasing them for a trade, maybe they're conceding that they aren't going to compete like they did a few years ago and trying to get a look at what they have coming in the pipeline, or maybe they're purely doing it out of desperation (I don't think that last one is the case)...but it's definitely very confusing

It's starting to seem bizarre at this point. Just throwing young guys into the lineup at random over the last month or so with seemingly no plan.

Maybe they're showcasing them for a trade, maybe they're conceding that they aren't going to compete like they did a few years ago and trying to get a look at what they have coming in the pipeline, or maybe they're purely doing it out of desperation (I don't think that last one is the case)...but it's definitely very confusing
- eichiefs9

This has been the issue. There does not seem to be a solid plan in developing young players. JT, Sorokin, and Dobson were special talents.

This is definitely the season to see what these kids can do. I just hope they’re not being showcased for a trade to try and salvage this season.
- Cptmjl

Would be a huge mistake to trade some of these young players. Islanders are not one player away.

I don't have a subscription to The Athletic anymore, so I don't know exactly how the article frames the issue, but our beat writer is asking:

Kevin Kurz
@KKurzNHL
·
3h
As Islanders plunge in the standings, is Lane Lambert's job safe?

via @TheAthletic

I can't imagine Lambert taking the fall for this season. That would be insane. I think it's pretty clear at this point that the problem wasn't coaching to begin with.

I don't have a subscription to The Athletic anymore, so I don't know exactly how the article frames the issue, but our beat writer is asking:

Kevin Kurz
@KKurzNHL
·
3h
As Islanders plunge in the standings, is Lane Lambert's job safe?

via @TheAthletic

I can't imagine Lambert taking the fall for this season. That would be insane. I think it's pretty clear at this point that the problem wasn't coaching to begin with.
- UIF

Just thinking about firing Lane is madness. I'm not saying he is a great coach, but coaching is clearly not the issue. Lou changed coaches so this is on him now.

It's starting to seem bizarre at this point. Just throwing young guys into the lineup at random over the last month or so with seemingly no plan.

Maybe they're showcasing them for a trade, maybe they're conceding that they aren't going to compete like they did a few years ago and trying to get a look at what they have coming in the pipeline, or maybe they're purely doing it out of desperation (I don't think that last one is the case)...but it's definitely very confusing
- eichiefs9

I think it has more to do with the injuries then anything else. Aho hasn’t cemented himself a spot yet so they’re seeing what else they got.

Just thinking about firing Lane is madness. I'm not saying he is a great coach, but coaching is clearly not the issue. Lou changed coaches so this is on him now.
- ses111

I don’t think anyone can accurately eval Lambert’s coaching from where any of us are standing at least. With that said there are some things that I believe are impossible to overlook. The team just flat out not showing up for periods or entire games and the team undeniably not sticking up for each other multiple times throughout the season. Not sure that blame rests solely at Lambert’s feet but he has to bear some responsibility. I’m certainly not saying fire the guy but if I were being objectionable those two deficiencies are glaring.

I don’t think anyone can accurately eval Lambert’s coaching from where any of us are standing at least. With that said there are some things that I believe are impossible to overlook. The team just flat out not showing up for periods or entire games and the team undeniably not sticking up for each other multiple times throughout the season. Not sure that blame rests solely at Lambert’s feet but he has to bear some responsibility. I’m certainly not saying fire the guy but if I were being objectionable those two deficiencies are glaring.
- Cptmjl

The team went through month+ long stretches when Trotz was coach where it looked completely lost, unprepared, and nothing like the team that had rattled off 10 straight wins earlier in those same seasons. Both runs to the conference finals might not have even happened in a standard season. They were out of a playoff spot when the COVID-shortened season ended and they had to win a play-in round in the bubble, and they were basically saved by the bell in the following shortened season.

I guess my point is last season didn't happen out of nowhere. The signs of what we've seen this season and what we saw last season were already there. Lou's answer to that was, "It's the coach." I think it's difficult to blame the coach for an almost carbon copy result this season. I'm not saying Lambert's a great coach or just as good as Trotz, but I'm confident that the issues with this team have little to do with the surefire HOF coach they fired or the rookie coach that followed him.

The team went through month+ long stretches when Trotz was coach where it looked completely lost, unprepared, and nothing like the team that had rattled off 10 straight wins earlier in those same seasons. Both runs to the conference finals might not have even happened in a standard season. They were out of a playoff spot when the COVID-shortened season ended and they had to win a play-in round in the bubble, and they were basically saved by the bell in the following shortened season.

I guess my point is last season didn't happen out of nowhere. The signs of what we've seen this season and what we saw last season were already there. Lou's answer to that was, "It's the coach." I think it's difficult to blame the coach for an almost carbon copy result this season. I'm not saying Lambert's a great coach or just as good as Trotz, but I'm confident that the issues with this team have little to do with the surefire HOF coach they fired or the rookie coach that followed him.
- UIF

Exactly right UIF! Lou picked Lane and did not provide him a good enough roster. Time for Lou to take responsibility.

The team went through month+ long stretches when Trotz was coach where it looked completely lost, unprepared, and nothing like the team that had rattled off 10 straight wins earlier in those same seasons. Both runs to the conference finals might not have even happened in a standard season. They were out of a playoff spot when the COVID-shortened season ended and they had to win a play-in round in the bubble, and they were basically saved by the bell in the following shortened season.

I guess my point is last season didn't happen out of nowhere. The signs of what we've seen this season and what we saw last season were already there. Lou's answer to that was, "It's the coach." I think it's difficult to blame the coach for an almost carbon copy result this season. I'm not saying Lambert's a great coach or just as good as Trotz, but I'm confident that the issues with this team have little to do with the surefire HOF coach they fired or the rookie coach that followed him.
- UIF

I don’t disagree but I also don’t think it absolves Lambert as well. Like I said I’m not pointing fingers or want Lambert fired in anyway. As I stated hard to be able to evaluate the guy really for many of the reasons you stated. There is certainly a personnel problem but there other negative symptoms imo.

I don’t think anyone can accurately eval Lambert’s coaching from where any of us are standing at least. With that said there are some things that I believe are impossible to overlook. The team just flat out not showing up for periods or entire games and the team undeniably not sticking up for each other multiple times throughout the season. Not sure that blame rests solely at Lambert’s feet but he has to bear some responsibility. I’m certainly not saying fire the guy but if I were being objectionable those two deficiencies are glaring.
- Cptmjl

This is a tired and weak roster. This is beyond coaching at this point.