So you honestly think major sports injuries are the result of a single play? Were it a concussion that might be the case, but not things like major joint/ACL surgery. Also, there's no way that playing 3min/GP less in WSH actually made him more likely to be injured than playing 20min/GP in Ottawa. So give your head a shake, man, and accept that just maybe getting rid of Brown wasn't a mistake. I'm not saying Dorion knew an injury was coming, but any player in the final year of his contract with no interest in signing long-term is an asset you need to move before the clock runs out. Dorion just happened to do it before he lost all of his value.
- khawk

Agreed. Dorion could've moved Brown at the deadline for more, which is a valid criticism, and hindsight is 20/20 - at the time of the deal it looked underwhelming, but now Brown is injured long term, a second round pick from a middling team is basically found money. Brown indicated he didn't want to stick around - had he been injured in a Sens jersey, Dorion would've had to settle for significantly less.

So you honestly think major sports injuries are the result of a single play? Were it a concussion that might be the case, but not injuries that require major joint/ACL surgery. That's like saying that Norris would have been just fine if he hadn't taken that one faceoff. Also, there's no way that playing 3min/GP less in WSH actually made him more likely to be injured than playing 20min/GP in Ottawa. So give your head a shake, man, and accept that just maybe getting rid of Brown wasn't a mistake. I'm not saying Dorion knew an injury was coming, but any player in the final year of his contract with no interest in signing long-term is an asset you need to move before the clock runs out. Dorion just happened to do it before he lost all of his value.
- khawk

I don't think I've heard too many people say that they wouldn't have received more at the deadline but you think Brown was going to be injured no matter what and Dorion, genius that he is, had a vision and somehow managed to shrewdly acquire a 2024 second round pick. OKaaay

It turns out that a trade at the deadline might not have been possible but nobody knows that and Dorion certainly didn't know that and so the trade he made just underlines his gross incompetence as an NHL GM.

I thought Jason York gave a pretty good analysis of the Sens team in this video with Brent Wallace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsaVLMaEQYA

SJ first shot on goal ends up in the net

Big goal for Ottawa, Sens fans. Tim Stu ties it up

Joseph a healthy scratch is very telling. I said it when PD gave him the 4 year deal in the summer, there was no need to do it, he had player control for another year, but no, PD pulled another Colin White contract. Unreal!

I don't think I've heard too many people say that they wouldn't have received more at the deadline but you think Brown was going to be injured no matter what and Dorion, genius that he is, had a vision and somehow managed to shrewdly acquire a 2024 second round pick. OKaaay

It turns out that a trade at the deadline might not have been possible but nobody knows that and Dorion certainly didn't know that and so the trade he made just underlines his gross incompetence as an NHL GM.

I thought Jason York gave a pretty good analysis of the Sens team in this video with Brent Wallace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsaVLMaEQYA
- Whatisavailable

Yorkie has done that a few times with his videos....very good stuff.

I don't think I've heard too many people say that they wouldn't have received more at the deadline but you think Brown was going to be injured no matter what and Dorion, genius that he is, had a vision and somehow managed to shrewdly acquire a 2024 second round pick. OKaaay

It turns out that a trade at the deadline might not have been possible but nobody knows that and Dorion certainly didn't know that and so the trade he made just underlines his gross incompetence as an NHL GM.
- Whatisavailable

Well, they "might" have been able to get more for Brown at the trade deadline, but just play that whole scenario out. It presumes that:
a) Brown had a good season and wasn't injured
b) the team was okay being a seller at the trade deadline

Nobody is saying that Brown's injury was 100% anticipated, but Dorion certainly did not want to signal to the fan base that they were expecting to be sellers at the trade deadline. The whole idea of bringing in DeBrincat, Giroux, and Talbot was to prove they were serious about contending. And if you're trying to focus money towards players that are actually going to help make a playoff push, it makes sense to proactively move out expiring assets who you aren't expecting to be on the roster when your team is playing their most important games.

So sure... maybe in some alternate universe, Brown goes on to have an amazing pre-UFA season for WSH, and Dorion looks very foolish for this decision. But that's not what happened, and I'm pretty sure Dorion isn't regretting getting that 2nd round pick for Brown. Which also makes it a really bizarre thing to fixate on in terms of criticizing Dorion, because it's not even a decision that worked out badly in the least.

Man these American broadcasters are irritating. They gab and gab and gab like a couple of old ladies about everything except the game on the ice. They think they're broadcasting a baseball game where you have a few guys standing around on a field scratching their balls.

Joseph a healthy scratch is very telling. I said it when PD gave him the 4 year deal in the summer, there was no need to do it, he had player control for another year, but no, PD pulled another Colin White contract. Unreal!
- Kevin Francis

Now here's a Dorion move that's 100% worth criticism... there was absolutely no reason to give Joseph a 4yr contract, especially given the complete anomaly of his 11GP stint with the team. I mean he's fine as a bottom-6 winger for the most part, but it's clearly a very bad contract that was signed with unnecessary term.

Stupid decisions with the puck. Zub has the puck all alone, no pressure, and he decides to get cute and pass it a few feet to a forward. It gets intercepted and ends up eventually in the net.

An earlier goal a Sens player has an easy clear on the left boards and instead a long cross ice pass through their own zone which gets picked off and ends up in the net eventually.

These stupid plays are really starting to get old.

Stupid decisions with the puck. Zub has the puck all alone, no pressure, and he decides to get cute and pass it a few feet to a forward. It gets intercepted and ends up eventually in the net.

An earlier goal a Sens player has an easy clear on the left boards and instead a long cross ice pass through their own zone which gets picked off and ends up in the net eventually.

These stupid plays are really starting to get old.
- Whatisavailable

Yes, and this is why most legitimate NHL coaches play with some kind of basic system in place, because it helps ensure that everyone on the ice knows what you're going to do with the puck, and teammates can support each other effectively. As opposed to having players just making random bad decisions... especially in the defensive zone, where mistakes like that can turn into goals against very quickly. Oh, but I hear we're still very tough to play against, which never gets tired.

Yes, and this is why most legitimate NHL coaches play with some kind of basic system in place, because it helps ensure that everyone on the ice knows what you're going to do with the puck, and teammates can support each other effectively. As opposed to having players just making random bad decisions... especially in the defensive zone, where mistakes like that can turn into goals against very quickly. Oh, but I hear we're still very tough to play against, which never gets tired.
- khawk

They're not looking very hard to play against from what I see. Started off great but just couldn't bury their chances and then they just stop.

Talbot did not help. That's the Talbot I remember from Edmonton and Sens fans are going to find out why Edmonton fans couldn't wait to be rid of him.

They're not looking very hard to play against from what I see. Started off great but just couldn't bury their chances and then they just stop.

Talbot did not help. That's the Talbot I remember from Edmonton and Sens fans are going to find out why Edmonton fans couldn't wait to be rid of him.
- Whatisavailable

Any outsider watching this with half a brain would realize the massive disconnect with the players and head coach. No passion or desire means they’ve tuned out the head coach

This is a massive draft.

I know nobody started the season wanting it to be another tank year. But...

There are some elite centres at the top of the draft.

Would committing to the draft mean being open to the possibility of trading Giroux, DeBrinicat and possibly Zub at the deadline? I think moving Zub would be a mistake.

This may be the most disappointing year for fans since the rebuild began.

They're not looking very hard to play against from what I see. Started off great but just couldn't bury their chances and then they just stop.

Talbot did not help. That's the Talbot I remember from Edmonton and Sens fans are going to find out why Edmonton fans couldn't wait to be rid of him.
- Whatisavailable

They're hard to play against in terms of things like hits and PIM... unfortunately not so much in terms of goals and wins. Last year's 4-15-1 start was supposed to be the kind of thing they absolutely could not tolerate... yet here we are at 6-11-1. Last season they went a catastrophic 1-10-1 to end the 1st quarter of the season... as of last night they're now 2-9-1 in their past 12 games. If you hadn't seen what they did in the summer, you'd swear they were making a play for Bedard.

How about some accountability... for God's sake.

This is a massive draft.

I know nobody started the season wanting it to be another tank year. But...

There are some elite centres at the top of the draft.

Would committing to the draft mean being open to the possibility of trading Giroux, DeBrinicat and possibly Zub at the deadline? I think moving Zub would be a mistake.

This may be the most disappointing year for fans since the rebuild began.
- spatso

But Dorion thinks they are playing well so be patient

They're hard to play against in terms of things like hits and PIM... unfortunately not so much in terms of goals and wins. Last year's 4-15-1 start was supposed to be the kind of thing they absolutely could not tolerate... yet here we are at 6-11-1. Last season they went a catastrophic 1-10-1 to end the 1st quarter of the season... as of last night they're now 2-9-1 in their past 12 games. If you hadn't seen what they did in the summer, you'd swear they were making a play for Bedard.

How about some accountability... for God's sake.
- khawk

If I am a new, incoming ownership group I am looking for the opportunity to put my people in key positions. The new owner will likely hire a new GM. The new GM will be given the responsibility of naming his own head coach.

More important, with each new game loss, potential owners are probably loving the idea of drafting one of those top 3 centres out of the next draft.

But Dorion thinks they are playing well so be patient
- Rang

I know that is a hard message to swallow right now. But it really is important to avoid knee jerk reactions based on short term hope.

We have always known the core issue was an ownership problem. It is in the process of being resolved. Maybe we got ahead of skies in expecting too much too quickly.

I am more afraid of a bad trade than anything else right now.

Not sure that Dorion has a mind set that would encourage him to make the best long term choices.

I know that is a hard message to swallow right now. But it really is important to avoid knee jerk reactions based on short term hope.

We have always known the core issue was an ownership problem. It is in the process of being resolved. Maybe we got ahead of skies in expecting too much too quickly.

I am more afraid of a bad trade than anything else right now.

Not sure that Dorion has a mind set that would encourage him to make the best long term choices.
- spatso

On this we agree.
I like the long term signings. This reminds me of McKinnon's first couple years in Colorado. No knee jerk reaction. Good signings of the core AND THEN a better coach.

Firing DJ is PD last move of course he is gonna hold off aslong as he can
I loved how Kastelic came in crushing everyone so much energy
All these stupid no reason passes is getting annoying
The Defense system I can’t bare anymore 😏😂
But one thing for sure DJ is starting to get worried ya can see it on bench 😂😂🫣

Great points on Zaitsev.....DJ wanting him in the lineup, tells you he isn't an NHL head coach. I mean, really....ask yourself this, would any other NHL team hire DJ if he was available? NO! So for anyone on here to say coaching isn't a problem....when 31 other NHL teams wouldn't have him leading their group, says it all!
- Kevin Francis

This is what I been saying the past week !!! All my posts almost

I know that is a hard message to swallow right now. But it really is important to avoid knee jerk reactions based on short term hope.

We have always known the core issue was an ownership problem. It is in the process of being resolved. Maybe we got ahead of skies in expecting too much too quickly.

I am more afraid of a bad trade than anything else right now.

Not sure that Dorion has a mind set that would encourage him to make the best long term choices.
- spatso

This rings true. At the same time, Dorion would want to do whatever he can to keep the job - I am sure he is of the mindset that if the team turns it around, a new ownership group might be inclined to keep him on. While we fans can preach patience, I don't think Dorion is afforded that luxury. If he makes/doesn't make moves that drive this team further into the ground, he might never get tapped to be a GM again. I'm with you in being skeptical of his long term choices, but vis a vis job security, he's operating on a short term mind set.

This rings true. At the same time, Dorion would want to do whatever he can to keep the job - I am sure he is of the mindset that if the team turns it around, a new ownership group might be inclined to keep him on. While we fans can preach patience, I don't think Dorion is afforded that luxury. If he makes/doesn't make moves that drive this team further into the ground, he might never get tapped to be a GM again. I'm with you in being skeptical of his long term choices, but vis a vis job security, he's operating on a short term mind set.
- Bartacus

A+

Doing nothing can, in fact, be a decision to do something.

I am inclined to want to see a "do no harm" approach until the new ownership group is named.

I still strongly believe in the future of the core group of young players in the Sens system.

I agree with Matthew that Brady may be the best pure power forward in the NHL today. I think Stutzle will be a superstar and produce superstar numbers. Sanderson will be elite. But, they still have not yet figured out how to win. They will.

You gotta love France.

So much creativity. Elegance and speed.

A confidence that borders on arrogance.

When they talk about the "beautiful game" perhaps it means the way the French are playing this afternoon.

This is what I been saying the past week !!! All my posts almost
- AlfieisKing

Please leave that fool DJ as head coach lol so the entire betting world can keep winning money. I wish some of you could see the forums for betting and how many people bet against ottawa for the sheer reason he can’t coach at the nhl level