Gardiner was a very good skater, high level offensive talent as well, well ahead of Sandin in those areas. As far as hockey IQ - he was a moron. He could not hit or defend to save his life.
- winsix

So dumb.

I put a six-pound pork shoulder on the smoker this morning.

Then my wife and one of my daughters informed me they won’t be home for dinner tonight.

Anyone want a pulled pork sammich?
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm there for you l Wedgiesie.

Btw had dinner at the Elora Mill yesterday and it was outstanding.

Gardiner was a very good skater, high level offensive talent as well, well ahead of Sandin in those areas. As far as hockey IQ - he was a moron. He could not hit or defend to save his life.
- winsix

Agree. Sandin has only average footspeed. But they need to sign this kid and play him to see what they really have here.

I'm there for you l Wedgiesie.

Btw had dinner at the Elora Mill yesterday and it was outstanding.
- Zezel

What did you have?

Agree. Sandin has only average footspeed. But they need to sign this kid and play him to see what they really have here.
- fifty__missions

Agreed.
Get in some sort of contract, play him then trade him need be. If they decide they can move on from him.

We want to know...who is the #7 prospect! C'mon MiB...

Gardiner was a very good skater, high level offensive talent as well, well ahead of Sandin in those areas. As far as hockey IQ - he was a moron. He could not hit or defend to save his life.
- winsix

Hard to say that Sandin doesn’t have more offensive upside than poor Jake. He just hasn’t had the consistent playing time yet. He’s a Rielly-type player. He’s great moving the puck up the ice, either through outlet passes or skating. He hits and shoots more than Rielly.

Lilli is kind of the other side of the coin - more D first. There’s a reason they were a good pair on the Marlies.

I think it’s important they hold onto Sandin. There’s a lot of age on the left side and he and Lilligren could end up an important pairing in the future.

If they need to make trades now for cap space they have way more forwards than they put on the roster and Muzzin to move next year if they can’t/don’t want to move him now

We want to know...who is the #7 prospect! C'mon MiB...
- Symba007

i can tell you with absolute certainty that it’s not conner mckniesus

he’s #1😍🥰

We want to know...who is the #7 prospect! C'mon MiB...
- Symba007

Nick Suzuki with the C?

Seems like a lot of pressure on a young guy, coming off a so so year.

Hard to say that Sandin doesn’t have more offensive upside than poor Jake. He just hasn’t had the consistent playing time yet. He’s a Rielly-type player. He’s great moving the puck up the ice, either through outlet passes or skating. He hits and shoots more than Rielly.

Lilli is kind of the other side of the coin - more D first. There’s a reason they were a good pair on the Marlies.

I think it’s important they hold onto Sandin. There’s a lot of age on the left side and he and Lilligren could end up an important pairing in the future.

If they need to make trades now for cap space they have way more forwards than they put on the roster and Muzzin to move next year if they can’t/don’t want to move him now
- Canada Cup

I disagree with the "hold onto Sandin sentiment"... he's not a replacement for Brody, as he simply isn't defensively reliable AT ALL. The earlier commentary with the comparisons of Jake Gardiner are very appropriate. Seeing the level to which Llijegren got too... the moment he wasn't saddled with bailing Sandin out defensively - when he played with Gio... tells me that Sandin isn't a fit for the Leafs roster.

my suggestion would be to trade him for Hague from Vegas. They are both RFAs at the moment and unsigned. Vegas might like Sandin's offensive upside and could pair him with a stablizing influence on the right side.

another alternative would be Sandin to Tampa for Cal Foote.

having him sit out doesn't help the team in any way... OVERPAYING him certainly doesn't and we KNOW that Dubas has a tendency to fold like a cheap tent when it comes to contract negotiations.

trading him for an asset that actually fills a need would allow Dubas to perhaps move other players in trade for upgrades on the wing.

Nick Suzuki with the C?

Seems like a lot of pressure on a young guy, coming off a so so year.
- bryant

rumor has it they were going to give it to Caufield... but his jersey was too small to fit the C above the toilet seat

We want to know...who is the #7 prospect! C'mon MiB...
- Symba007

will be posted at 4:22pm today

Nick Suzuki with the C?

Seems like a lot of pressure on a young guy, coming off a so so year.
- bryant

I'm a bit surprised they made Motobike boy the Captain but maybe he has been a 'quiet leader in the room' and 'a leader without rank' or whatever they call it these days before someone gets promoted to a position nobody thought they were ready for or deserved.

I'm a bit surprised because this is just added pressure and I figured the pressure of that new contract would weigh heavily on him, layer on wearing the "C" for the Habs...in his 4th year in the league.

I just looked at his stats on Hockey DB - he's been a - player ever year in the NHL? -15 his rookie year, -5 the following year and -29 last year.

So 23 year old captain, in his 4th year who is (arguably) a defensive liability in Montreal where the fans hold players and the team accountable to a level we can only dream about Toronto doing. What could go wrong?

I'm a bit surprised they made Motobike boy the Captain but maybe he has been a 'quiet leader in the room' and 'a leader without rank' or whatever they call it these days before someone gets promoted to a position nobody thought they were ready for or deserved.

I'm a bit surprised because this is just added pressure and I figured the pressure of that new contract would weigh heavily on him, layer on wearing the "C" for the Habs...in his 4th year in the league.

I just looked at his stats on Hockey DB - he's been a - player ever year in the NHL? -15 his rookie year, -5 the following year and -29 last year.

So 23 year old captain, in his 4th year who is (arguably) a defensive liability in Montreal where the fans hold players and the team accountable to a level we can only dream about Toronto doing. What could go wrong?

- Cush29

That was my thinking as well. To young to put that much pressure on him and asking him to live up to that contract.

They should’ve given it to gally for a couple years.

I disagree with the "hold onto Sandin sentiment"... he's not a replacement for Brody, as he simply isn't defensively reliable AT ALL. The earlier commentary with the comparisons of Jake Gardiner are very appropriate. Seeing the level to which Llijegren got too... the moment he wasn't saddled with bailing Sandin out defensively - when he played with Gio... tells me that Sandin isn't a fit for the Leafs roster.

my suggestion would be to trade him for Hague from Vegas. They are both RFAs at the moment and unsigned. Vegas might like Sandin's offensive upside and could pair him with a stablizing influence on the right side.

another alternative would be Sandin to Tampa for Cal Foote.

having him sit out doesn't help the team in any way... OVERPAYING him certainly doesn't and we KNOW that Dubas has a tendency to fold like a cheap tent when it comes to contract negotiations.

trading him for an asset that actually fills a need would allow Dubas to perhaps move other players in trade for upgrades on the wing.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I know you don’t like him but the Brodie replacement idea doesn’t really make any sense since they don’t play similar games. Lilli is more of a Brodie type while Sandin plays more like Rielly.

Dubas sure has waited a long time to fold.

I know you don’t like him but the Brodie replacement idea doesn’t really make any sense since they don’t play similar games. Lilli is more of a Brodie type while Sandin plays more like Rielly.

Dubas sure has waited a long time to fold.
- Canada Cup

Sandin doesn't have any leverage.

Leafs don't have a hole on D.

He'll sign 1x1M or 3x2m I think.

I know you don’t like him but the Brodie replacement idea doesn’t really make any sense since they don’t play similar games. Lilli is more of a Brodie type while Sandin plays more like Rielly.

Dubas sure has waited a long time to fold.
- Canada Cup

to be VERY clear - I don't dislike Sandin... he's fun to watch - just like Gardiner was. But also just like Gardiner when he's on the ice defensively its like the Leafs are playing short handed.

and as for Dubas... how well did the Nylander hold out work out for Dubas? Even Dubas said it was a mistake in the passed.

if you are talking about keeping Sandin... its either as a replacement for Muzzin or for Brodie.... he's not replacing Rielly - and he's no where close to being able to replace what Muzzin or Brodie brings.

Nick Suzuki with the C?

Seems like a lot of pressure on a young guy, coming off a so so year.
- bryant

older guys might not be there for long lol

So the cap nerds say Leafs can start season with no subs and be fine for the cap.

Bunting-AM-Marner
Kerfoot-JT-Nylander
Engvall-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Aston Reese-Gaudette-Aube Kubel

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Gio-Lil

Murray
Samsonov


Robertson
Holmberg
Anderson
Douglas

Guys who could win a spot over ZAR or Gaudette. If Robertson impresses enough they could also trade Kerfoot and get some cap for accumulation

to be VERY clear - I don't dislike Sandin... he's fun to watch - just like Gardiner was. But also just like Gardiner when he's on the ice defensively its like the Leafs are playing short handed.

and as for Dubas... how well did the Nylander hold out work out for Dubas? Even Dubas said it was a mistake in the passed.

if you are talking about keeping Sandin... its either as a replacement for Muzzin or for Brodie.... he's not replacing Rielly - and he's no where close to being able to replace what Muzzin or Brodie brings.
- BorjeFan4Ever

The Nylander contract looks good now, though.. Dubas was right to wait it out to get a fair deal for all.

I agree with you, Sandin will not be a Brodie/Muzzin replacement, that's not his style, but I do think that a future pairing of Sandin and Liljegren could be really good.. So, I wouldn't rush a trade.

The thing that bothers me about Sandin though, is he's not in a position to complain, he hasn't done anything to prove that he deserves to get top 4 minutes in the NHL.

to be VERY clear - I don't dislike Sandin... he's fun to watch - just like Gardiner was. But also just like Gardiner when he's on the ice defensively its like the Leafs are playing short handed.

and as for Dubas... how well did the Nylander hold out work out for Dubas? Even Dubas said it was a mistake in the passed.

if you are talking about keeping Sandin... its either as a replacement for Muzzin or for Brodie.... he's not replacing Rielly - and he's no where close to being able to replace what Muzzin or Brodie brings.
- BorjeFan4Ever

He’s nowhere near Gardiner in terms of how he plays defensively. Gardiner was not fun to watch unless you were a Bruins fan.

And Sandin does not have any of the leverage that Nylander did. He may end up with a bit more than Lilli whose deal was very team friendly. Management reportedly sees Sandin as having more upside.

Of course he’s not replacing Rielly. He will probably get a regular spot next year when/if Muzzin or Gio leave. He’s still a young defenceman who needs playing time to develop.

So the cap nerds say Leafs can start season with no subs and be fine for the cap.

Bunting-AM-Marner
Kerfoot-JT-Nylander
Engvall-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Aston Reese-Gaudette-Aube Kubel

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Gio-Lil

Murray
Samsonov


Robertson
Holmberg
Anderson
Douglas

Guys who could win a spot over ZAR or Gaudette. If Robertson impresses enough they could also trade Kerfoot and get some cap for accumulation
- Santo_44

Assuming ZAR gets a full contract from the PTO, I do like the bottom 6 forward group.. Maybe rotate Kerfoot and Robertson to see who can win the 2LW spot.

The Nylander contract looks good now, though.. Dubas was right to wait it out to get a fair deal for all.

I agree with you, Sandin will not be a Brodie/Muzzin replacement, that's not his style, but I do think that a future pairing of Sandin and Liljegren could be really good.. So, I wouldn't rush a trade.

The thing that bothers me about Sandin though, is he's not in a position to complain, he hasn't done anything to prove that he deserves to get top 4 minutes in the NHL.
- PatC80

I think he is just using all the leverage he has. Which is being a pain in the ass for Pirdham who has to work out cap issues.

Once the season starts all he would have is waiting for an annoying injury where it wouldn't make sense to put a guy on LTIR.

Assuming ZAR gets a full contract from the PTO, I do like the bottom 6 forward group.. Maybe rotate Kerfoot and Robertson to see who can win the 2LW spot.
- PatC80

ZAR should get a contract. He is probably better than Aube Kubel and maybe his thought process is to try and get some term from a team.

Leafs should sign him 2X1M-1.2M

All things considered it was a good offseason, hoping for a big swing at the TDL. its time.

So the cap nerds say Leafs can start season with no subs and be fine for the cap.

Bunting-AM-Marner
Kerfoot-JT-Nylander
Engvall-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Aston Reese-Gaudette-Aube Kubel

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Gio-Lil

Murray
Samsonov


Robertson
Holmberg
Anderson
Douglas

Guys who could win a spot over ZAR or Gaudette. If Robertson impresses enough they could also trade Kerfoot and get some cap for accumulation
- Santo_44

I can’t see them starting with that second line. If Kerfoot stays, maybe Willie and Jarnrok switch. I think little Nickie only makes the roster if Kerfoot goes or if he amazes in camp. They’re already going to have to expose enough guys to waivers and if he’s on the roster then they’re going to lose someone they probably really don’t want to lose.