Like Ovi was

Guys with a great shot for whatever reason seem to have longevity in this league

Perron, Pavelski, Ovi and so on
- BetweenTheDots

Ovi is 6'3 240 and a physical beast. And also the greatest goalscorer of all time. Not really a comparable player.

Perron has never scored over 30 goals in a season and Pavelski has somehow stayed healthy.

Kane and Martin St Louis who i mentioned are smaller guys who had very long careers. They also didn't really scrap it up at all. Maybe he's scoring 40 at 30 maybe not. Danny Heatly had a big drop off.

A rebuild in this sport isn't about trying to hit on outliers - which has been the biggest detriment to their success the last 5 years - but to stock pile enough shots to replenish the pipeline.

If those players are as successful or not is irrelevant. The simple fact of the matter is they do not have the pieces to either deal for 'now' help OR have an influx of youth. They need to move the assets they can for lottery tickets and hang on to a few key veterans to eat minutes and provide a bit of shelter for the younger players coming up.

Keeping Debrincat may be part of that plan but if they can get at least 2 firsts and a very good prospect then they now have a top 10 pick this year (presumably) and 3 first rounders in what is considered a very deep draft.

They may not be good for 5-7 years but at least there is a strong possibility of trending up if they are able to pull a few good players and two franchise players in the next 3 drafts.

They could do nothing and be bad or try to rebuild the franchise and be bad. I'd prefer that they try to rebuild the franchise at this stage but that's a matter of personal preference.

Ovi is 6'3 240 and a physical beast. And also the greatest goalscorer of all time. Not really a comparable player.

Perron has never scored over 30 goals in a season and Pavelski has somehow stayed healthy.

Kane and Martin St Louis who i mentioned are smaller guys who had very long careers. They also didn't really scrap it up at all. Maybe he's scoring 40 at 30 maybe not. Danny Heatly had a big drop off.

A rebuild in this sport isn't about trying to hit on outliers - which has been the biggest detriment to their success the last 5 years - but to stock pile enough shots to replenish the pipeline.

If those players are as successful or not is irrelevant. The simple fact of the matter is they do not have the pieces to either deal for 'now' help OR have an influx of youth. They need to move the assets they can for lottery tickets and hang on to a few key veterans to eat minutes and provide a bit of shelter for the younger players coming up.

Keeping Debrincat may be part of that plan but if they can get at least 2 firsts and a very good prospect then they now have a top 10 pick this year (presumably) and 3 first rounders in what is considered a very deep draft.

They may not be good for 5-7 years but at least there is a strong possibility of trending up if they are able to pull a few good players and two franchise players in the next 3 drafts.

They could do nothing and be bad or try to rebuild the franchise and be bad. I'd prefer that they try to rebuild the franchise at this stage but that's a matter of personal preference.
- fattybeef

I agree, but some believe (as noted in their posts above), that coaching was the main reason the Hawks record was what it was, and that Richardson being hired automatically makes up the 30 points that it would take to get the last playoff position.

Forget about the fact you have no true #1 center, missing probably 2 top 6 wingers, (according to some) no #1 defenseman (let alone any that really are top 4), and mediocre AHL goaltending, and one of the poorest prospect pools in the league.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

So since everyone knows it's not possible for KD to build around DCat, what's the magic age we keep players? Then why did we even bother trading for Raddysh and Katchouk since it's obvious to everyone else here they will be way too old to be part of winning a cup. Let's just keep kicking the can down the road. I guess maybe KD is trading for players to trade again and again until he gets the magic age of talent in the system.
- BetweenTheDots

I called it perpetual rebuild. Somewhere you draw the line and keep players. Who is our Anthony Rizzo?

I agree, but some believe (as noted in their posts above), that coaching was the main reason the Hawks record was what it was, and that Richardson being hired automatically makes up the 30 points that it would take to get the last playoff position.

Forget about the fact you have no true #1 center, missing probably 2 top 6 wingers, (according to some) no #1 defenseman (let alone any that really are top 4), and mediocre AHL goaltending, and one of the poorest prospect pools in the league.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
- LAHawk

The BOD has spoken

I called it perpetual rebuild. Somewhere you draw the line and keep players. Who is our Anthony Rizzo?
- rpeters01

Probably not part of the organization yet.

The BOD has spoken
- BetweenTheDots

Lets see if the new Hawk brain trust beleive's that trotting out the same product with a different coach is the way to go.

I called it perpetual rebuild. Somewhere you draw the line and keep players. Who is our Anthony Rizzo?
- rpeters01

I was thinking the same thing. I start with Cat, you have a ton of 23 and 24 year old on this roster and the AHL roster. Seems to me everyone just thinks magically another goal scorer will appear.

Lets see if the new Hawk brain trust beleive's that trotting out the same product with a different coach is the way to go.
- LAHawk

I don't expect them to win just saying it wouldn't surprise me if they won more games then last year. They really can't trot out the same product anyways, 3 of our dmen are gone, and when they let Dach, Strome, Kubs walk, trade Cat, Kane and Toews, it'll be definitely different line up.

I agree, but some believe (as noted in their posts above), that coaching was the main reason the Hawks record was what it was, and that Richardson being hired automatically makes up the 30 points that it would take to get the last playoff position.

Forget about the fact you have no true #1 center, missing probably 2 top 6 wingers, (according to some) no #1 defenseman (let alone any that really are top 4), and mediocre AHL goaltending, and one of the poorest prospect pools in the league.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
- LAHawk

Yeah were in 100% agreement there.

I don't necessarily care about the record but you'd like to see players improve and not regress.

And I don't understand how anyone can think this will take 'a few years'. The Avalanche already had MacKinnon, Rantanen and Landeskog. Landy was drafted first and it was 11 years between that and the cup.

1 playoff appearance in the 6 years after Landeskog was drafted before they were a playoff team and 8 years before they were in the mix as a legit top team.

5 years with that group in place between when they bottomed out and then won the Cup this past year.

The NYR bounce back took 5 years and maybe could have happened if they would have started that process 6 years ago instead of throwing crap at the wall last year. Their core is too old at this point so it is really a start from scratch and that takes a long time if it ever happens at all.

I called it perpetual rebuild. Somewhere you draw the line and keep players. Who is our Anthony Rizzo?
- rpeters01

There isn't one yet.

That player should be drafted - hopefully - in the top 5 next year.

The rumored ask for Debrincat of 3-1sts and a good prospect seems to be a high price, but it's also basic negotiating. One side sets a high price the other a low price and you meet in the middle if a deal wants to be made.

And the number of 1sts coming back may depend on that team's current and future draft positions. Is a NJ #2 overall this year worth as much or more than say Carolina's 2023 and 2024 1st, or if the Kings were still in the market, their 19th this year and probably a pick in the 20's in 2023? If KD gets into serious discussions with NJ about the #2 OA, I believe his ask may come down from 4 pieces.

Yeah were in 100% agreement there.

I don't necessarily care about the record but you'd like to see players improve and not regress.

And I don't understand how anyone can think this will take 'a few years'. The Avalanche already had MacKinnon, Rantanen and Landeskog. Landy was drafted first and it was 11 years between that and the cup.

1 playoff appearance in the 6 years after Landeskog was drafted before they were a playoff team and 8 years before they were in the mix as a legit top team.

5 years with that group in place between when they bottomed out and then won the Cup this past year.

The NYR bounce back took 5 years and maybe could have happened if they would have started that process 6 years ago instead of throwing crap at the wall last year. Their core is too old at this point so it is really a start from scratch and that takes a long time if it ever happens at all.
- fattybeef

The Avs only did it with 6 draft picks? The rest were either trades or FA's.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the passing of the "P" in the Hawks' "MPH" line, good old #8 Jimmy Pappin.

A rebuild in this sport isn't about trying to hit on outliers - which has been the biggest detriment to their success the last 5 years - but to stock pile enough shots to replenish the pipeline.
- fattybeef

One of the best ways I've read or heard to describe a rebuild.

The Hawks were criticized under at least Bowman that drafting was about getting the most skilled player and possibly the one who they felt was closest to cracking the NHL lineup. Didn't work for Boqvist or Dach, for example.

Now, Davidson is about having a profile of prospects to draft in terms of a collection of traits that mirror the way he wants the team to play, i.e. fast, quick thinking, competitive, willing to work learn and grow, defensively responsible.

Skill is there, too, just not skill alone.

Have a system filled with these type of prospects, some are bound to hit on a consistent basis so that when some move on from the team for various reasons, then there is more where that came from.

The Hawks can't claim that now or in recent years. If Reichel hits as an elite talent, then they can't say there's another one or a few right behind him.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the passing of the "P" in the Hawks' "MPH" line, good old #8 Jimmy Pappin.


- Rota's Rooter

It's been metioned.

The Avs only did it with 6 draft picks? The rest were either trades or FA's.
- BetweenTheDots

Makar, Landeskog, Ratanen and MacKinnon who are their best players were all drafted and who they built around.

Other players they had in surplus or that didn't fit like Duchene or Zadarov or Barrie were moved out to fill gaps or replenish their talent pool. Girard came back in the Duchene deal for example as well as the pick that got them Byram. Barrie got them Kadri.

Existing picks were used to add players like Toews or Kuemper to round out the line up.

That isn't unexpected.

The Hurricanes and Rangers are similar.

The Lightning and Flames drafted most of their line up.

It's been metioned.
- GPHawksfan

The guy could snipe, had a nose for the net.

I was thinking the same thing. I start with Cat, you have a ton of 23 and 24 year old on this roster and the AHL roster. Seems to me everyone just thinks magically another goal scorer will appear.
- BetweenTheDots

Agree he's the guy.

Probably not part of the organization yet.
- LAHawk

I would say Kris Bryant is not in the organization yet.

Lets see if the new Hawk brain trust beleive's that trotting out the same product with a different coach is the way to go.
- LAHawk

I expect them to run out a even worse group minus DBC. Maybe Kane and Toews are gone this summer or at TDL .Richardson is the type of coach that can weather a storm like that ,and work with the kids on the fundamentals and what it means to be a pro and face adversity .#tankhardforBedard

The BOD has spoken
- BetweenTheDots

Ohh the irony ….

It's been metioned.
- GPHawksfan

Yes always one of my favorites .Remember him in that 71 series against the Habs trying to score on that giant in net .I remember one analyst saying you could watch a game and think he had done nothing all game and look at the score sheet and he had a goal and 2 assists .RIP Jimmy

Lets see if the new Hawk brain trust beleive's that trotting out the same product with a different coach is the way to go.
- LAHawk

I don't think so. As far as bowman, I m defending him, but we don't if he wanted to rebuild earlier and mcego said no keep pushing for playoffs whole they still had kieth Seabrook Kane towes. I believe Davidson and company have plan to rebuild and obtain success for a very long time and be in the playoffs every year to have a chance at winning the cup. It's going to a rough few years but hopefully it turns out. One thing I have to say pick a lane and stuck with it.

Which of the teams in the top 10 picks this year would (1) Debrincat be willing to sign long-term to play with (and you have to believe with those 10 teams that there is a direct correlation between signing long-term and securing major assets in return) and (2) can afford or would be willing to build into their budget Debincat's likely salary in an extension with a team that isn't great now.

This is all compounded by the cap not going up much and all teams scrambling to deal with unfavorable contracts. Maybe there is a good match out there, but it is hard to see a good match with Ottawa or New Jersey.

Which of the teams in the top 10 picks this year would (1) Debrincat be willing to sign long-term to play with (and you have to believe with those 10 teams that there is a direct correlation between signing long-term and securing major assets in return) and (2) can afford or would be willing to build into their budget Debincat's likely salary in an extension with a team that isn't great now.

This is all compounded by the cap not going up much and all teams scrambling to deal with unfavorable contracts. Maybe there is a good match out there, but it is hard to see a good match with Ottawa or New Jersey.
- jrsamu

Three teams stand out as far as having the necessary assets to make a deal for DeBrincat.

1. New Jersey (Available - 1st round picks from '22 - '24 and great prospects)
2. Ottawa (Available - 1st round picks from '22 - '24 and very good prospects)
3. Buffalo (Available - three 1st round picks in '22, 1st round picks in '23-'24 and great prospects)

Will ADB want to sign a long-term deal with any of these three? Who knows, but I could see him signing in Jersey and Ottawa.