I can foresee JD re-signing DeBrincat to the anger of many fans. #jdfail
- DarthKane

I hope so

Still a beautiful city, even if companies are leaving. Their loss

It'll be interesting to see what Cat signs for. I think if the Blackhawks offer him the max term at $9 mil per he signs on the dotted line.
- BetweenTheDots

If ADB re-signs it will be for 8 years at $10 million AAV.

I hope so
- BetweenTheDots

You hope Blackhawks fans are angry?

I approve.

If ADB re-signs it will be for 8 years at $10 million AAV.
- DarthKane

That sounds right

You can be sure ADB's agent knows exactly what Jeff Skinner, Mark Stone, Mitch Marner and a few other wingers make. And he will we watching closely how much Patrik Laine resigns for. None of these guys ever win anything post season.

And next year UFA's like Huberdeau and Pastrnak come due for new deals.

I like ADB too but it may be the better long term decision to move him out for a good return instead of him playing year after year on a loser. And paying him more than Leon Draisaitl just doesn't seem right, but it will probably happen.
- RickJ

What does of they've won anything have to do with anything?

If the Hawks don't trade DeBrincat then re-sign him as well as re-up Kane and Toews plus keep Jones, then are the Hawks in any position to get needed pieces to restock the pipeline with blue chip prospects?

Would they even be rebuilding? Or would they be retooling on the fly again? If so, wouldn't Davidson be no different than Bowman in not sticking to a lane?

Davidson has already proclaimed a rebuild. He seems resolute to make that happen no matter how attached fans may be to certain players or how much players want to stay in Chicago.

He's not going to screw over players -- at least I hope not -- but he doesn't seem like he's going to tinker around the edges either.

If the Hawks don't trade DeBrincat then re-sign him as well as re-up Kane and Toews plus keep Jones, then are the Hawks in any position to get needed pieces to restock the pipeline with blue chip prospects?

Would they even be rebuilding? Or would they be retooling on the fly again? If so, wouldn't Davidson be no different than Bowman in not sticking to a lane?

Davidson has already proclaimed a rebuild. He seems resolute to make that happen no matter how attached fans may be to certain players or how much players want to stay in Chicago.

He's not going to screw over players -- at least I hope not -- but he doesn't seem like he's going to tinker around the edges either.
- Theo Fox

I’d say there’s a 95% chance Toews is gone after this season. Kane, probably 60% chance he’s gone.

I’d say there’s a 95% chance Toews is gone after this season. Kane, probably 60% chance he’s gone.
- DarthKane

Imo both are traded at the next tdl for another chance at winning a cup.

I'm still stuck at trying to work out the code around 'previous year's first round pick' ?!

Well if they go that route, I hope they choose someone really good, seeing as they are (literally) looking at picks that have already been picked, in previous years' drafts.

Everyone knew that Guerin would trade Fiala for a reduced price rather than loose him for nothing.

Also due to the additional value and desire to hold onto first round draft choices, a team paying too much in futures cannot simply go out and sign a free agent for megabucks. There is a limit to how many high salaries and how long you can afford to pay them. So circle the wagon and concentrate on drafting well. The first round selections are more valuable like gold than in past years. Uncertainty of attendance due to covid outbreak, certainly impacts a team's revenues. So do not easily part ways with your first round assets unless it is really worthwhile in years (plural) to come.

If I am a GM wanting DeBrincat, three first and a top prospect is too much. Two first (and one is in '22) plus a good prospect is maybe even too much. Do it if you are on the cusp of becoming a serious playoff team AND you have a cupboard not bereft of prospects. Of course room for bartering a tad more depending where you project the first round choices lie (early, mid, late)
- jhawk59

It was not a sure thing Fiala would be moved. Following the situation in MN it's been thought that Dumba and his 6 mil hit was just as easily the one to go as Fiala.

Seems that with Rossi coming up and sliding into a top 6 role and the really nice return on Fiala he was the one that went......... The Parise and Suter hits the next 3 yrs are 12.7, 14.7 and 14.7 the next 3 yrs. As brutal as the cap era has ever seen and to come out with a 1st rd pick and a solid prospect in Faber is some damn tidy work.

You hope Blackhawks fans are angry?

I approve.
- DarthKane

Hahaha, no i just hope they resign him. He's young enough to be a part of this build.

Makes no sense to keep veteran players who could give the Hawks a bunch of quality assets when they will be likely past their point by the time the Hawks are good again.

Makes no sense to keep veteran players who could give the Hawks a bunch of quality assets when they will be likely past their point by the time the Hawks are good again.
- kwolf68

Except if you are a delusional fan, and think a new coach and a new system is going to make this team a SC contender, in which case you don't trade anybody because the Richardson pixie dust is all you need.

So since everyone knows it's not possible for KD to build around DCat, what's the magic age we keep players? Then why did we even bother trading for Raddysh and Katchouk since it's obvious to everyone else here they will be way too old to be part of winning a cup. Let's just keep kicking the can down the road. I guess maybe KD is trading for players to trade again and again until he gets the magic age of talent in the system.

Everyone knew that Guerin would trade Fiala for a reduced price rather than loose him for nothing.

Also due to the additional value and desire to hold onto first round draft choices, a team paying too much in futures cannot simply go out and sign a free agent for megabucks. There is a limit to how many high salaries and how long you can afford to pay them. So circle the wagon and concentrate on drafting well. The first round selections are more valuable like gold than in past years. Uncertainty of attendance due to covid outbreak, certainly impacts a team's revenues. So do not easily part ways with your first round assets unless it is really worthwhile in years (plural) to come.

If I am a GM wanting DeBrincat, three first and a top prospect is too much. Two first (and one is in '22) plus a good prospect is maybe even too much. Do it if you are on the cusp of becoming a serious playoff team AND you have a cupboard not bereft of prospects. Of course room for bartering a tad more depending where you project the first round choices lie (early, mid, late)
- jhawk59

Not really.

Matt Duchene got these returns and Debrincat is at least comparable if not better because of his age. Minimum 2 firsts and a prospect though I wouldn't want any conditions on the picks. Possibly a first some other picks and a very good young player. It should be a lot and comparable to the below.

Colorado got:
From OTT:
Andrew Hammond · $325,000 (AHL/JR)
Shane Bowers · $0 (Signing Rights)
2019 1st round pick (OTT - #4 - Bowen Byram) [Conditional]*
2019 3rd round pick (OTT - #63 - Matthew Stienburg)
From NSH:
Vladislav Kamenev · $833,333
Samuel Girard · $728,333
2018 2nd round pick (NSH - #58 - Filip Hållander)

Ottawa got:
Vitaly Abramov · $0 (AHL/JR)
Jonathan Davidsson · $0
2019 1st round pick (CBJ - #19 - Lassi Thomson) [Conditional]*
2020 1st round pick (CBJ - #21 - Yegor Chinakhov) [Conditional]**

So since everyone knows it's not possible for KD to build around DCat, what's the magic age we keep players? Then why did we even bother trading for Raddysh and Katchouk since it's obvious to everyone else here they will be way too old to be part of winning a cup. Let's just keep kicking the can down the road. I guess maybe KD is trading for players to trade again and again until he gets the magic age of talent in the system.
- BetweenTheDots

NHL calibre players who can fill out the roster now. Throw ins. The real assets are the draft picks even if they are later in the first.

Hahaha, no i just hope they resign him. He's young enough to be a part of this build.
- BetweenTheDots

He'll be on the wrong side of 30 by the time they're contending again - especially since they don't have a high first this year - that essentially pushes everything back by default anyway.

Maybe hes one of those lil guys who doesn't wear as hard (like Kane or St Louis) but I don't know. He goes pretty hard.

I think you take the best deal and go from there.

That doesn't mean that can't ask tp talk to his representation and try to come close to a number...it happens all the time.

And IF you are trading for DeBrincat, you understand you are getting an impact scorer, and they cost.

And I just gotta say that DeBrincat is the one that has made himself a great asset.

He came as a little guy who was terrific shooter and now is a hard rock all around NHL scorer who isn't afraid of contact or dishing it.
The little guy argument only applies in that they usually get worn down faster as big leaguers....but I think the cat is a player teams see as the guy your centres are going to love to play with.

You don't think Jersey's Hughes would be excited?

But that price I dunno - I see Kraken not cracking, and well, a team would REALLY have to feel this is the piece that changes us to give up even three mid first rounders...
- wiz1901

Really one of my biggest reasons for keeping him. That doesn't happen often. How many Hawks draft picks since Kane and Toews can you really say worked their butt off, improved greatly and became all around great players

Quick KD, the legend is available:


Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
The #Sens have informed winger Adam Gaudette he won’t receive a qualifying offer. He will go to UFA.

He'll be on the wrong side of 30 by the time they're contending again - especially since they don't have a high first this year - that essentially pushes everything back by default anyway.

Maybe hes one of those lil guys who doesn't wear as hard (like Kane or St Louis) but I don't know. He goes pretty hard.

I think you take the best deal and go from there.
- fattybeef

Like Ovi was

Guys with a great shot for whatever reason seem to have longevity in this league

Perron, Pavelski, Ovi and so on

Except if you are a delusional fan, and think a new coach and a new system is going to make this team a SC contender, in which case you don't trade anybody because the Richardson pixie dust is all you need.
- LAHawk

Count me as one of the delusional fans. I believe that Colliton's coaching and systems were so bad and such a bad fit that the team regressed to well short of their potential. King had no real chance in trying to fix it on the fly. Depending on trades and goaltending I will not be the least bit surprised if this team under Richardson is in the wild card hunt this season or next. I like several of the young dmen and see a few sticking out of camp. As soon as we get a few more forwards contributing consistently then my delusion may well become the reality.

So since everyone knows it's not possible for KD to build around DCat, what's the magic age we keep players? Then why did we even bother trading for Raddysh and Katchouk since it's obvious to everyone else here they will be way too old to be part of winning a cup. Let's just keep kicking the can down the road. I guess maybe KD is trading for players to trade again and again until he gets the magic age of talent in the system.
- BetweenTheDots

I would guess it has to do with value vs what you can get in return. I honestly don't think KD budges on Debrincat unless he gets his ask. I don't see him coming off that reported haul - there is no reason to.

Raddysh and Katchouk are a little different in that they are not going to come with the $10M+ per year contract.

I'm with you in thinking that 12 is young enough to build around, but if you can get three 1sts, a high end prospect, a steak dinner and an Xbox, I think you have to consider it. No there is no guarantee that any of those players match his performance, but you are potentially getting 3-4 starters for the price of one (and you kick the salary burden down the road.

By no means was this completely thought out, but it's what came off the top of my head.

Count me as one of the delusional fans. I believe that Colliton's coaching and systems were so bad and such a bad fit that the team regressed to well short of their potential. King had no real chance in trying to fix it on the fly. Depending on trades and goaltending I will not be the least bit surprised if this team under Richardson is in the wild card hunt this season or next. I like several of the young dmen and see a few sticking out of camp. As soon as we get a few more forwards contributing consistently then my delusion may well become the reality.
- GreenJeans

I highly doubt we will start out with 4 points in 15 games. A thing i think about is Mr Toews, it'll be his 2nd year removed from an illness, when healthy he trains like an animal, has his next contract to play for, i wouldn't be surprised we are drafting in the teens next year.

I would guess it has to do with value vs what you can get in return. I honestly don't think KD budges on Debrincat unless he gets his ask. I don't see him coming off that reported haul - there is no reason to.

Raddysh and Katchouk are a little different in that they are not going to come with the $10M+ per year contract.

I'm with you in thinking that 12 is young enough to build around, but if you can get three 1sts, a high end prospect, a steak dinner and an Xbox, I think you have to consider it. No there is no guarantee that any of those players match his performance, but you are potentially getting 3-4 starters for the price of one (and you kick the salary burden down the road.

By no means was this completely thought out, but it's what came off the top of my head.
- Chunk

I'd be fine with that Chunk especially the xbox, but he's not getting that.

Quick KD, the legend is available:


Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
The #Sens have informed winger Adam Gaudette he won’t receive a qualifying offer. He will go to UFA.
- LAHawk

Boy, that first week after getting traded, he was a monster! Then the adrenaline faded.