I am not sure a team offers all ACimaglia is tweeting, maybe that is the starting point, b/c if Davidson is hard lining the cat at that, he is going N O W H E R E.

(The funny thing is now, if they trade the cat for less, you all will think JD failed, lol!)

I am not sure a team offers all ACimaglia is tweeting, maybe that is the starting point, b/c if Davidson is hard lining the cat at that, he is going N O W H E R E.
- wiz1901

Al Cimaglia
@AlCimaglia
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I have heard the "ask" for DeBrincat is basically three 1st-Rd Picks-one for this year and 2 more coming in previous years + a high-end younger player who can play in Chicago this season. That's a big ask and if it stays that way DeBrincat could definitely be here in October.

I am not sure a team offers all ACimaglia is tweeting, maybe that is the starting point, b/c if Davidson is hard lining the cat at that, he is going N O W H E R E.
- wiz1901

Could be just establishing the high point of a trade but in reality willing to negotiate that will be beneficial for both sides. This all could posturing on Davidson part or not.

Not sure what to think about the Fiala to LA trade other than at first look I like it for both clubs... MN had to move a player for cap reasons and got a 1st and a solid 19 yr old D prospect out of The Program and U of MN that was drafted in RD 2. Wish Stan got even close to that kinda return when he was up against the cap wall.

LA gets a real nice top 6 guy without giving up one of their top 5-6 prospects and nobody off the NHL roster.

Not sure what this means for the market for Dcat but at least it gets the trade market moving a bit. No doubt Dcat brings back more but in some way this has to play a part in setting the market going forward.

While Eichel is probably more valuable, I’m sure that his health status came into play on the return. The Hawks don’t have to trade Dcat, they should only move him if they get an offer that blows them away.
- Angotti

You're probably right that his health concerns did affect the return. But I wouldn't give up all of what was mentioned for Debrincat. Would you?

You're probably right that his health concerns did affect the return. But I wouldn't give up all of what was mentioned for Debrincat. Would you?
- GPHawksfan

No. The ask is too much. Go ahead fund out no one will give that much. Two first and a good not great prospect us all to expect. And one of the picks in 2022.

Al Cimaglia
@AlCimaglia
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5h
I have heard the "ask" for DeBrincat is basically three 1st-Rd Picks-one for this year and 2 more coming in previous years + a high-end younger player who can play in Chicago this season. That's a big ask and if it stays that way DeBrincat could definitely be here in October.
- Mr Ricochet

I will call him sometime in the next 24 and ask him, so we get a better sense, ok?

You're probably right that his health concerns did affect the return. But I wouldn't give up all of what was mentioned for Debrincat. Would you?
- GPHawksfan

I’m not sure that I would trade DeBrincat period, but if I was the GM, I would need an offer that blows me away. Then again, we don’t know what DeBrincat’s camp is asking for on his next contract, that will also come into play. It will be an interesting offseason for sure.

Why? He will get that money wherever he goes, and more likely than not a much better chance of playing playoff hockey. And any of the teams he will be traded to will be just as nice a city as Chicago
- LAHawk

Wife is from here, he likes it here. If he doesn't sign a contract this upcoming year then he might be moved, but i have a feeling he will and plans on sticking around here.

Hagel, the way i heard it was really really upset when KD traded him. And he went to a playoff team.

I disagree there isn't as many beautiful cities as Chicago

No. The ask is too much. Go ahead fund out no one will give that much. Two first and a good not great prospect us all to expect. And one of the picks in 2022.
- jhawk59

I think a more realistic trade between new jersey and Chicago would be:
New Jersey trades for Debrincat Beaudin and rights to kubalik
Chicago receives back 2022 1st 2023 2nd Shakir mukhamdullin Alexander Holtz and a player of the roster to offset the money.

Wife is from here, he likes it here. If he doesn't sign a contract this upcoming year then he might be moved, but i have a feeling he will and plans on sticking around here.

Hagel, the way i heard it was really really upset when KD traded him. And he went to a playoff team.

I disagree there isn't as many beautiful cities as Chicago
- BetweenTheDots

As Companies/people are leaving in droves. He might be playing here, but not for a “hometown “ discount.

The beautify of the Debrincat situation is that there is really zero pressure to move him, so the price can stay high. The Hawks can enjoy the media hype and wait for a team to fork over a fair bit.

Hawks seem to be keeping the stance going that it's not a fire sale.

I will call him sometime in the next 24 and ask him, so we get a better sense, ok?
- wiz1901

Tell Al that some of the rabble here miss the class he brought to this joint.

Excerpt from a Powers/Lazerus interview with Richardson...

Powers: You talk about not knowing who’s going to be on the team and how it’s going to impact your on-ice, man system. But do you have any general philosophies about — having covered this team last couple of years, it was more of a man-to-man where you saw defensemen kind of flying around the zone, and Derek King putting them more around the net and protecting the house. Do you have any general philosophies about how you want to defend?

Richardson: Yeah, I don’t necessarily think — it’s really hard to play man-to-man in this league with if you can’t give a little hook or hold or tug. When I used to play, you’d get away with that. It’s hard because the guys are so quick and skilled and strong too, like a (Nathan) MacKinnon — not only is he fast, but he can spin off and just, like, toss you with one arm and go. (Sidney) Crosby’s very similar. I kind of like a zone defense. I like it, but I have to see who we have.

But the biggest thing for me, it all starts in the other end (and the) neutral zone. If we can have good gaps and a good F3 with backtrack from our forwards that put pressure so there’s not a lot of lateral movement from the puck or forwards coming at you that pushes your ‘D’ back. If we could really be gapped up, attack guys on entry or even prior to entry and force them to dump it into our goaltender, and hopefully we get that puck and get it out quick, or turn pucks over with skill players trying to really be stubborn on laying pucks in, turning pucks over, and then having the puck more in our possession. If we can have the puck more in our possession, we’re going to have to defend less. And again, I mentioned earlier, we have more energy to play offense and we’re not playing defense in our zone for a minute or 80 seconds, exhausted, lucky that we got out of it, (then) dump it out, change five guys and they get the puck back (and) they’re coming at us again, so the next five guys have got to deal with that again. That’s not a way to play hockey, I think.

I think you’ve got to play fast, aggressive hockey. And for me, I don’t even mind if we’re to have a good gap and we have a good F3 and they’re coming out on their left wing. I don’t mind our left ‘D’ flying right across and the other ‘D’ knows, and we practice this, and he backs off and then that’s killed. All a guy could do is dump it and dump it shallowly because it’s before the red line, can’t ice it, we either get an icing or we get the puck back at our blue line and we’re all together because we’re tracking hard. We have five guys working together. We’re going back on the offense. So flip a coin on them, not on us. That’s the way I think.

I’m not sure that I would trade DeBrincat period, but if I was the GM, I would need an offer that blows me away. Then again, we don’t know what DeBrincat’s camp is asking for on his next contract, that will also come into play. It will be an interesting offseason for sure.
- Angotti

You can be sure ADB's agent knows exactly what Jeff Skinner, Mark Stone, Mitch Marner and a few other wingers make. And he will we watching closely how much Patrik Laine resigns for. None of these guys ever win anything post season.

And next year UFA's like Huberdeau and Pastrnak come due for new deals.

I like ADB too but it may be the better long term decision to move him out for a good return instead of him playing year after year on a loser. And paying him more than Leon Draisaitl just doesn't seem right, but it will probably happen.

Not sure what to think about the Fiala to LA trade other than at first look I like it for both clubs... MN had to move a player for cap reasons and got a 1st and a solid 19 yr old D prospect out of The Program and U of MN that was drafted in RD 2. Wish Stan got even close to that kinda return when he was up against the cap wall.

LA gets a real nice top 6 guy without giving up one of their top 5-6 prospects and nobody off the NHL roster.

Not sure what this means for the market for Dcat but at least it gets the trade market moving a bit. No doubt Dcat brings back more but in some way this has to play a part in setting the market going forward.
- Mr Ricochet

Everyone knew that Guerin would trade Fiala for a reduced price rather than loose him for nothing.

Also due to the additional value and desire to hold onto first round draft choices, a team paying too much in futures cannot simply go out and sign a free agent for megabucks. There is a limit to how many high salaries and how long you can afford to pay them. So circle the wagon and concentrate on drafting well. The first round selections are more valuable like gold than in past years. Uncertainty of attendance due to covid outbreak, certainly impacts a team's revenues. So do not easily part ways with your first round assets unless it is really worthwhile in years (plural) to come.

If I am a GM wanting DeBrincat, three first and a top prospect is too much. Two first (and one is in '22) plus a good prospect is maybe even too much. Do it if you are on the cusp of becoming a serious playoff team AND you have a cupboard not bereft of prospects. Of course room for bartering a tad more depending where you project the first round choices lie (early, mid, late)

Kevin Fiala traded to the Kings. Wild receive Brock Faber (D) and 2022 1st (19th overall).

Fiala's extension will be around $7.9M AAV, # of years TBA.
- Theo Fox

I don’t think DeBrincat will be traded before the 2022 draft. Unlike Fiala, ADB isn’t eligible for an extension until July 13th. If a team is parting with major assets they’ll want assurances they can sign him to a long-term deal.

I don’t think DeBrincat will be traded before the 2022 draft. Unlike Fiala, ADB isn’t eligible for an extension until July 13th. If a team is parting with major assets they’ll want assurances they can sign him to a long-term deal.
- DarthKane

You are probably correct. Unless we get a really great offer, KD has to gauge when he thinks he is receiving the best offer and is it really worth doing. Three first round and a top prospect is worth seriously considering BUT you have to know if Kane is staying. Because I wouldn't trade both. You have to sell tickets and cannot field too weak a team

You are probably correct. Unless we get a really great offer, KD has to gauge when he thinks he is receiving the best offer and is it really worth doing. Three first round and a top prospect is worth seriously considering BUT you have to know if Kane is staying. Because I wouldn't trade both. You have to sell tickets and cannot field too weak a team
- jhawk59

I’d but surprised if another GM parts with 3 first round picks and a top prospect for DeBrincat. Depending on the team it could be 1 first round pick + top prospect (i.e. NJ) or 2 first round picks and a mid-level prospect (i.e. Ottawa).

https://www.prohockeyrumo...in-passes-away-at-82.html

Alef HaShalom

I don’t think DeBrincat will be traded before the 2022 draft. Unlike Fiala, ADB isn’t eligible for an extension until July 13th. If a team is parting with major assets they’ll want assurances they can sign him to a long-term deal.
- DarthKane

That doesn't mean that can't ask tp talk to his representation and try to come close to a number...it happens all the time.

And IF you are trading for DeBrincat, you understand you are getting an impact scorer, and they cost.

And I just gotta say that DeBrincat is the one that has made himself a great asset.

He came as a little guy who was terrific shooter and now is a hard rock all around NHL scorer who isn't afraid of contact or dishing it.
The little guy argument only applies in that they usually get worn down faster as big leaguers....but I think the cat is a player teams see as the guy your centres are going to love to play with.

You don't think Jersey's Hughes would be excited?

But that price I dunno - I see Kraken not cracking, and well, a team would REALLY have to feel this is the piece that changes us to give up even three mid first rounders...

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2022/06/jim-pappin-passes-away-at-82.html

Alef HaShalom
- LAHawk

AND WITH YOU!

I will not forget the way Toronto's line of Pete Stemkowski centered by Bob Pulford with Jimmy Pappin of the right wing used to systematic beat the hawk's lines with their all around play...not Hull like or Mikita level players but very good as a line to break things down against opponent.

That doesn't mean that can't ask tp talk to his representation and try to come close to a number...it happens all the time.

And IF you are trading for DeBrincat, you understand you are getting an impact scorer, and they cost.

And I just gotta say that DeBrincat is the one that has made himself a great asset.

He came as a little guy who was terrific shooter and now is a hard rock all around NHL scorer who isn't afraid of contact or dishing it.
The little guy argument only applies in that they usually get worn down faster as big leaguers....but I think the cat is a player teams see as the guy your centres are going to love to play with.

You don't think Jersey's Hughes would be excited?

But that price I dunno - I see Kraken not cracking, and well, a team would RERALLY have to feel this is the piece that changes us to give up even three mid first rounders...
- wiz1901

I think if a team really want dcat then they will pay the price. Now o think Davidson is asking for the moon and more so he needs to come back to reality and be realistic in trying to complete a trade dcat. The difference imo between dcat and Fiala is Minnesota had no leverage and most gm knew they had to trade him and could not resign Fiala to Hugh contract that's why the return was ok not great. In Debrincat hawks don't have to trade him they keep him and resign him and part of this rebuild. And if he is traded there has to be assurance that he will sign with said team trading for him. I m sure Davidson has received offers already and conversations on what it would take to acquire Debrincat. So until some comes with an offer Davidson and company cannot refuse dcat stays put.

I think if a team really want dcat then they will pay the price. Now o think Davidson is asking for the moon and more so he needs to come back to reality and be realistic in trying to complete a trade dcat. The difference imo between dcat and Fiala is Minnesota had no leverage and most gm knew they had to trade him and could not resign Fiala to Hugh contract that's why the return was ok not great. In Debrincat hawks don't have to trade him they keep him and resign him and part of this rebuild. And if he is traded there has to be assurance that he will sign with said team trading for him. I m sure Davidson has received offers already and conversations on what it would take to acquire Debrincat. So until some comes with an offer Davidson and company cannot refuse dcat stays put.
- Scott1977

I can foresee JD re-signing DeBrincat to the anger of many fans. #jdfail

As Companies/people are leaving in droves. He might be playing here, but not for a “hometown “ discount.
- LAHawk

Still a beautiful city, even if companies are leaving. Their loss

It'll be interesting to see what Cat signs for. I think if the Blackhawks offer him the max term at $9 mil per he signs on the dotted line.