Hate to over simplify things, but it's really pretty basic stuff. It takes talent and hard work to win a Cup. The Avs had the talent for awhile, but the players needed to find out how hard they had to work to win the Cup. John Cooper's interview after the game was a classic. That guy just gets it! The problem with the Flyers currently is that they lack both talent and hard workers. Eh what?
- Phillywhiteout

Look at Stamkos burying mackinnon, blocking shots, fighting. It needs to be a total buy in. I’d agree that the Flyers are lacking talent and the will to win. You need to play hard. This current team has zero identity.

No, on the contrary I could care less about Giroux now or where he signs. I'm with you, I cheer for the Flyers and hope they can turn this around.
- jd250

So you do care.

FLETCHER LEAKED IT YOU JACKASS

Remember that (frank)ing ridiculous list you post of why you love Fletcher...your number one reason was,his TRANSPARENCY. He is to lame for that info getting out and limiting his options. And dont think for one second Tippet wasnt the player he targeted from FL

Hes as inept as it gets
- THE BLACK HAND

Giroux told his teammates he was going to Florida. If a player only wants to go to one team, then it's going to come out one way or another. The notion some people have that Colorado could have been tricked into getting into in bidding war over Giroux when he only wanted to go to Florida is absurd.

Giroux told his teammates he was going to Florida. If a player only wants to go to one team, then it's going to come out one way or another. The notion some people have that Colorado could have been tricked into getting into in bidding war over Giroux when he only wanted to go to Florida is absurd.
- Feanor

You also have the scenario, if they were to get into a bidding war with Colorado, if Colorado sends you a much better package they immediately know it was a bluff. You alienate a trade partner down the road and potentially other GMs in Sakics circle. It’s just an absurd take from a commenter who has many.

You think Konecny can get the 7th overall from Ottawa? They want to add a top 6 forward. He is cost controlled and former all star. I could see him slide onto one of the top 2 lines.

I raised the below idea in the Ottawa blog and their fans seem to think they would part with 7th overall compared to moving a player like Ridley Greig.

To Ottawa: Konecny
To Philadelphia: Ottawa 2022 2nd rounder, Jacob Bernard-Docker, Ridley Greig.

But they feel Ottawa would rather part with the 7th pick.

You think Konecny can get the 7th overall from Ottawa? They want to add a top 6 forward. He is cost controlled and former all star. I could see him slide onto one of the top 2 lines.

I raised the below idea in the Ottawa blog and their fans seem to think they would part with 7th overall compared to moving a player like Ridley Greig.

To Ottawa: Konecny
To Philadelphia: Ottawa 2022 2nd rounder, Jacob Bernard-Docker, Ridley Greig.

But they feel Ottawa would rather part with the 7th pick.
- J35Bacher

Unless they sign JG or a winger I don’t see it happening. You are already without Farabee to start and Coots and Ellis coming off major injuries.

He turned down everyone's offer including a sun and moon offer from his hometown Jets. My point to the main turd on here was that he didn't turn down the Flyers because of their current situation as an organization. Yet, the genius hermit crab can't admit that he was wrong.
- Phillywhiteout

You are foolish if you do not think that was a factor.

What other offer did he turn down besides Flyers and Jets? In both cases I do not blame him at all.

You are foolish if you do not think that was a factor.

What other offer did he turn down besides Flyers and Jets? In both cases I do not blame him at all.
- hello it's me 2050

The current situation of the team 100% played a part. Especially if it was reported he took multiple interviews with the team.

Unless they sign JG or a winger I don’t see it happening. You are already without Farabee to start and Coots and Ellis coming off major injuries.
- ClaudeFather

Why does that matter?

They aren't contenders next year and as much as Fletcher has talked about a aggressive retool, I don't think that it means they believe they will be contenders next season. I believe Torteralla said it could take a year to get this thing in order to start to be a winner.(paraphrasing)

Why does that matter?

They aren't contenders next year and as much as Fletcher has talked about a aggressive retool, I don't think that it means they believe they will be contenders next season. I believe Torteralla said it could take a year to get this thing in order to start to be a winner.(paraphrasing)
- J35Bacher

They will be trying to win as many games as possible next season. I believe it was Flahr even said we hope not to be drafting this high again anytime soon. Pretty clear what the goal is this upcoming season.

I do understand the situation. Giroux had the right to chose where he wanted to go, I get that. But as a Flyers fan loyal to the organization, not any one player, Giroux did not do right by the Flyers, not by any means. If he had just opened it up to 3 teams Giroux may very well be a Cup winner today, but more importantly, the Flyers would have got a real return for him that would help them moving forward. Who knows what Tippet will become as player, and what luck the Flyers might get with the 2 picks they got, but from what I read the Avalanche were prepared to offer a lot more, and so would have Florida, if Giroux would have simply enabled Fletcher to make the best deal he could. Instead Giroux single-minded selfishness not only cost him a Cup, but it also cost the Flyers dearly. Just my opinion. I loved Giroux as player for the Flyers, but to be honest I pretty much hate him now and hope he never wins a Cup.
- jd250

Your mistake is in thinking that he had to or should do that.

You are foolish if you do not think that was a factor.

What other offer did he turn down besides Flyers and Jets? In both cases I do not blame him at all.
- hello it's me 2050

Ummmm, there were 5 other teams that gave him lucrative offers. Perhaps you need to go look at the latest article that came out a day or two ago. It states that he basically has no interest in coaching right now. He actually said that if he signed on with his hometown Jets he would never have to buy another beer for the rest of his life, but then he followed that up with the fact that he just wasn't ready to coach right now. Could it have been a factor? Sure, it's possible, but the fact that he turned down everyone else indicates that it very well have been a minimal factor if any factor at all.

The current situation of the team 100% played a part. Especially if it was reported he took multiple interviews with the team.
- ClaudeFather

Yep. Turned down 7 million to be the highest paid coach ever.

Ummmm, there were 5 other teams that gave him lucrative offers. Perhaps you need to go look at the latest article that came out a day or two ago. It states that he basically has no interest in coaching right now. He actually said that if he signed on with his hometown Jets he would never have to buy another beer for the rest of his life, but then he followed that up with the fact that he just wasn't ready to coach right now. Could it have been a factor? Sure, it's possible, but the fact that he turned down everyone else indicates that it very well have been a minimal factor if any factor at all.
- Phillywhiteout

Can you confirm 5 other teams that gave him lucrative offers as I have only seen 2. Show who else he turned down.

It was a factor. Simple as that. Maybe he wants the Leafs job.

The current situation of the team 100% played a part. Especially if it was reported he took multiple interviews with the team.
- ClaudeFather

Totally disagree. He had other lucrative offers. We can agree to disagree, but old man logic is on my side.

Can you confirm 5 other teams that gave him lucrative offers as I have only seen 2. Show who else he turned down.

It was a factor. Simple as that. Maybe he wants the Leafs job.
- hello it's me 2050

It was reported over and over back awhile ago. I don't remember and I don't have time to look it up. I know Boston and Detroit were in there. There were a couple of others mentioned, but I don't remember off the top of my head.

Look at Stamkos burying mackinnon, blocking shots, fighting. It needs to be a total buy in. I’d agree that the Flyers are lacking talent and the will to win. You need to play hard. This current team has zero identity.
- ClaudeFather

Finally someone said it, at least that I have seen on here.

Draft, trade and sign all the "elite" skill, but it means nothing if there is no core foundation of work ethic, passion and will to win. There's a reason why the careers of players like Daigle and Brendl were busts...it wasn't for lack of skill.

You think Konecny can get the 7th overall from Ottawa? They want to add a top 6 forward. He is cost controlled and former all star. I could see him slide onto one of the top 2 lines.

I raised the below idea in the Ottawa blog and their fans seem to think they would part with 7th overall compared to moving a player like Ridley Greig.

To Ottawa: Konecny
To Philadelphia: Ottawa 2022 2nd rounder, Jacob Bernard-Docker, Ridley Greig.

But they feel Ottawa would rather part with the 7th pick.
- J35Bacher

Easiest way to look at it, I know it is not exact, but pretty close...

Would you trade the 5th overall for Jared McCann or Jack Roslovic or some other mid-20s 20 some goal scorer?

So here’s the deal…. A friend of mine daughter has a condition that they have to go to childrens in Philly every 3 months for treatment. Well about year ago they were there wearing Sabres gear And their nurse says you in town watching game too? Says her fiancé plays hockey. Yep jg fiancé. Well my buddy wife and her become friends and talk to each other


Anyways so according to her jg definitely coming to east coast as now wife is in Philly and torn between philly and some other better east coast teams. Wife torn between leaving philly to move to Boston ny etc.

So after playoff run jg decided he and wife want to stay in Philly and as of a few days ago he’s agreed to sign in Philly.

Now obviously this can’t be leaked yet by some in the know per tampering rules but for hb debates moving forward he will be on roster.


He’s signing here. No details pervided of term or money just it’s a done deal they’ve agreed on the contract and it’s hush hush.
- Stayin alive

Sorry, who is JG ?

Sorry, who is JG ?
- BluehorseShoe64

Johnny Pond Hockey

Finally someone said it, at least that I have seen on here.

Draft, trade and sign all the "elite" skill, but it means nothing if there is no core foundation of work ethic, passion and will to win. There's a reason why the careers of players like Daigle and Brendl were busts...it wasn't for lack of skill.
- Glak18

And THIS is where I think Torts will help, for now AND more importantly in the future. Our young players will someday be veterans. And hopefully Torts turns them into the types of veterans who win with effort as well as skill.

It was reported over and over back awhile ago. I don't remember and I don't have time to look it up. I know Boston and Detroit were in there. There were a couple of others mentioned, but I don't remember off the top of my head.
- Phillywhiteout

only 2 teams made an offer. Show me otherwise

Easiest way to look at it, I know it is not exact, but pretty close...

Would you trade the 5th overall for Jared McCann or Jack Roslovic or some other mid-20s 20 some goal scorer?
- Glak18

Me. No.

But you also have to look at it as being it is Ottawa. Maybe they have a harder time gettting players to sign there. So best way to get a top 6 forward is trading for one.

I don't know if it makes sense. Just stating that their blog thinks they would move 7h overall before a young prospect. I think Konecny fits a needs for them while also allowing the Flyers to gain a pick, clear come cap and maybe get back a prospect.

Me. No.

But you also have to look at it as being it is Ottawa. Maybe they have a harder time gettting players to sign there. So best way to get a top 6 forward is trading for one.

I don't know if it makes sense. Just stating that their blog thinks they would move 7h overall before a young prospect. I think Konecny fits a needs for them while also allowing the Flyers to gain a pick, clear come cap and maybe get back a prospect.
- J35Bacher

If 7th overall was an option for TK...I'm not even hesitating. I love TK, but I'm doing it.

If 7th overall was an option for TK...I'm not even hesitating. I love TK, but I'm doing it.
- Glak18

I feel like a latter pick from us would have to go or a lower level prospect as well. 5ht or something.