More ridiculousness. Only in your world is a player exercising a right that he earned and fairly negotiated doing wrong.


It's the reaction my son had when he was two and didn't get what he wanted. " I hate you Daddy"
- MJL

As typical, you fixate on the wrong thing. I am not arguing that Giroux did not have the right to go where he wanted to go. I am arguing the way he went about it. It was selfish IMO, that is all.

As typical, you fixate on the wrong thing. I am not arguing that Giroux did not have the right to go where he wanted to go. I am arguing the way he went about it. It was selfish IMO, that is all.
- jd250

There was nothing selfish or wrong with anything Giroux did. He exercised his NMC.

But did he have to make it public?? Couldn't Giroux have kept his ultimate desire to move to Florida between himself and Fletcher, so at least Fletcher could have leveraged a few teams to get the best deal possible? From what I understand, Florida knew Giroux wanted to be there and also knew other teams were not in the mix, therefore they had all the leverage.
- jd250

Who gives a flying (frank). You weren't getting BYram or Newhook anyways.

I can see it now your going to worry all offseason on where Giroux signs aren't you. Guess what...he could sign in Pittsburgh and I wouldn't care. He isn't a Flyer now. This is why I never get attached to players. They are all mercenaries. I cheer for the Flyers and hope they do some smart things and get better.

Only in your world is Tippet and a first round draft pick nothing. But hey you coached and like to tell others they never played the game. Most importantly, Giroux earned his NMC with his play and he fairly exercised it under the provisions of the CBA. To say after all he did for the team for a decade, that he didn't do right by the team is completely asinine. Again, you read something somewhere and like a sheep, are now being led to come up with this opinion. Please post the link to what you read.
- MJL

Like I said, I have no idea what Tippet will become as a player and what luck might come with the picks the Flyers obtained. But don't you think the Flyers could have got a lot more if Giroux was willing to play for a few more teams?? I mean he is an UFA right now which means he could go play for whoever he wants to. We are talking about less than 20 games and a playoff run, not the rest of his playing career!! If he was willing to play for just Colorado or Florida, Fletcher would have got much more in return IMO, and perhaps Giroux is a Cup winner today. You cannot dispute this.

Who gives a flying (frank). You weren't getting BYram or Newhook anyways.

I can see it now your going to worry all offseason on where Giroux signs aren't you. Guess what...he could sign in Pittsburgh and I wouldn't care. He isn't a Flyer now. This is why I never get attached to players. They are all mercenaries. I cheer for the Flyers and hope they do some smart things and get better.
- J35Bacher

No, on the contrary I could care less about Giroux now or where he signs. I'm with you, I cheer for the Flyers and hope they can turn this around.

Like I said, I have no idea what Tippet will become as a player and what luck might come with the picks the Flyers obtained. But don't you think the Flyers could have got a lot more if Giroux was willing to play for a few more teams?? I mean he is an UFA right now which means he could go play for whoever he wants to. We are talking about less than 20 games and a playoff run, not the rest of his playing career!! If he was willing to play for just Colorado or Florida, Fletcher would have got much more in return IMO, and perhaps Giroux is a Cup winner today. You cannot dispute this.
- jd250

You cannot dispute this.


You've been nothing but wrong during this whole Giroux situation. Thinking they were going to Newhook. That was never going to happen. Giroux's situation was typical with a player with a NMC.

I do understand the situation. Giroux had the right to chose where he wanted to go, I get that. But as a Flyers fan loyal to the organization, not any one player, Giroux did not do right by the Flyers, not by any means. If he had just opened it up to 3 teams Giroux may very well be a Cup winner today, but more importantly, the Flyers would have got a real return for him that would help them moving forward. Who knows what Tippet will become as player, and what luck the Flyers might get with the 2 picks they got, but from what I read the Avalanche were prepared to offer a lot more, and so would have Florida, if Giroux would have simply enabled Fletcher to make the best deal he could. Instead Giroux single-minded selfishness not only cost him a Cup, but it also cost the Flyers dearly. Just my opinion. I loved Giroux as player for the Flyers, but to be honest I pretty much hate him now and hope he never wins a Cup.
- jd250

It didn't cost the Flyers dearly. The Flyers themselves cost the Flyers dearly. When you give a NMC this is what you deserve. I will not fault CC for wanting to go to where he went only.

Have the Flyers done right by him? Wasting his career? Now he had a hand in that as at any tine he could have asked to be moved.

He wanted Florida as it was lower pressure, not a lot of media, and if they lost no one will give a crap. Winning wasn't his main priority.

Only in your world is Tippet and a first round draft pick nothing. But hey you coached and like to tell others they never played the game. Most importantly, Giroux earned his NMC with his play and he fairly exercised it under the provisions of the CBA. To say after all he did for the team for a decade, that he didn't do right by the team is completely asinine. Again, you read something somewhere and like a sheep, are now being led to come up with this opinion. Please post the link to what you read.
- MJL

Tippet is a B level prospect, more suspect at this time. He had several chances in Florida and couldn't get it done. Lets see what he does here though he isnt any great shakes Cliff.

Interesting that both McKenzie and Button have moved Kemell up to the 3 spot on their draft boards. He's small but as an 18 year old has consistently scored in the Liiga league and internationally, so apparently his size is not a detractor. If this holds the Flyers will have their choice of the top defenseman in the draft class, or maybe Slafkovsky even falls to them. The draft can't come soon enough.

But on a serious note, I hope everyone understands what Giroux did to the Flyers this season! His own selfishness lead to the Flyers basically getting nothing for him, but alas, Giroux gets to watch another team once again hoist the Cup. Karma!
- jd250

Just when i thought that jerkoff out moroned you, you come storming back to reclaim your belt

You cannot dispute this.


You've been nothing but wrong during this whole Giroux situation. Thinking they were going to Newhook. That was never going to happen. Giroux's situation was typical with a player with a NMC.
- MJL

That is not fair. I, like everyone else, was under the impression that there were multiple teams bidding for Giroux. It was only days after the trade went down that we were told that Florida was the only team involved and that Fletcher's hands were tied. If Giroux would have seriously considered Colorado, Florida and say Minnesota, there is no doubt in my mind the Flyers would have got a much better return. And, again for the record, I NEVER stated the Flyers would get Newhook. I said if I were Fletcher I would have asked for Newhook, or Lundell from Florida and held out as long as possible to see if I could pry one of them from their respective teams. You didn't have any more insights than anyone else, you were just stating the Flyers would not get a good return because of your disdain for Fletcher!

Just when i thought that jerkoff out moroned you, you come storming back to reclaim your belt
- THE BLACK HAND

YES! No one out-morons me!!

But did he have to make it public?? Couldn't Giroux have kept his ultimate desire to move to Florida between himself and Fletcher, so at least Fletcher could have leveraged a few teams to get the best deal possible? From what I understand, Florida knew Giroux wanted to be there and also knew other teams were not in the mix, therefore they had all the leverage.
- jd250

FLETCHER LEAKED IT YOU JACKASS

Remember that (frank)ing ridiculous list you post of why you love Fletcher...your number one reason was,his TRANSPARENCY. He is to lame for that info getting out and limiting his options. And dont think for one second Tippet wasnt the player he targeted from FL

Hes as inept as it gets

Tippet is a B level prospect, more suspect at this time. He had several chances in Florida and couldn't get it done. Lets see what he does here though he isnt any great shakes Cliff.
- hello it's me 2050

I agree with you here. Tippet couldn't hold a bottom 6 role on the Panthers, and as we watched him on the Flyers you could see why, as he whiffed on scoring chance after scoring chance. Look, he is still young and has a good set of tools, physical, fast, good shot, so my hope is he figures it out and becomes a steady scorer for the Flyers. I mean at some point whoever has the voodoo doll against the Flyers has got to die; their luck has got to change!

FLETCHER LEAKED IT YOU JACKASS

Remember that (frank)ing ridiculous list you post of why you love Fletcher...your number one reason was,his TRANSPARENCY. He is to lame for that info getting out and limiting his options. And dont think for one second Tippet wasnt the player he targeted from FL

Hes as inept as it gets
- THE BLACK HAND

You think Fletcher is that dumb? Wait .. don't answer, I know you do :-)

If what you state is true, Fletcher should have been fired immediately! I actually think it was Giroux's camp that leaked it.

That is not fair. I, like everyone else, was under the impression that there were multiple teams bidding for Giroux. It was only days after the trade went down that we were told that Florida was the only team involved and that Fletcher's hands were tied. If Giroux would have seriously considered Colorado, Florida and say Minnesota, there is no doubt in my mind the Flyers would have got a much better return. And, again for the record, I NEVER stated the Flyers would get Newhook. I said if I were Fletcher I would have asked for Newhook, or Lundell from Florida and held out as long as possible to see if I could pry one of them from their respective teams. You didn't have any more insights than anyone else, you were just stating the Flyers would not get a good return because of your disdain for Fletcher!
- jd250

Not fair!


No not everyone else, just you and your delusions. No matter how many people told you Colorado was not trading Newhook. It didn't matter to you. You stated numerous times that the Flyers were going to get one of Newhook or Lundell. Nothing to do with Fletcher. Another ridiculous statement. I'm on record stating that Fletcher did a good job with the Gioux trade and maximized the return.

You think Fletcher is that dumb? Wait .. don't answer, I know you do :-)

If what you state is true, Fletcher should have been fired immediately! I actually think it was Giroux's camp that leaked it.
- jd250

Hypothetically, what purpose would Giroux's camp have to leak that? What does he gain? You know, this has all be gone over and explained to you previously. Like normally, that doesn't matter. Complete inability to learn.

FLETCHER LEAKED IT YOU JACKASS

Remember that (frank)ing ridiculous list you post of why you love Fletcher...your number one reason was,his TRANSPARENCY. He is to lame for that info getting out and limiting his options. And dont think for one second Tippet wasnt the player he targeted from FL

Hes as inept as it gets
- THE BLACK HAND

The GM is terrible, I do not htink he leaked it though. Also many say Zito is a great GM. So it rather easy to accept he told Chuck you will take a b and c or you will take nothing knowing CC was only going to Florida. .In this one instance Chuck had no choice imo.

Just when i thought that jerkoff out moroned you, you come storming back to reclaim your belt
- THE BLACK HAND

You still haven't answered my question. Who is Barry Trotz currently coaching? It's a simple question for a simpleton such as yourself. Thanks!

You still haven't answered my question. Who is Barry Trotz currently coaching? It's a simple question for a simpleton such as yourself. Thanks!

- Phillywhiteout

Not the Flyers. He turned down their offer.

Hypothetically, what purpose would Giroux's camp have to leak that? What does he gain? You know, this has all be gone over and explained to you previously. Like normally, that doesn't matter. Complete inability to learn.
- MJL

Sometimes it has nothing to with what is there to gain.

Once chuck told him he will not guarantee an ext maybe CC got pissed. Nah that can’t be a possible scenario as CC shoulders no responsibility at all for anything negative that has happened with this team according to you.

I do understand the situation. Giroux had the right to chose where he wanted to go, I get that. But as a Flyers fan loyal to the organization, not any one player, Giroux did not do right by the Flyers, not by any means. If he had just opened it up to 3 teams Giroux may very well be a Cup winner today, but more importantly, the Flyers would have got a real return for him that would help them moving forward. Who knows what Tippet will become as player, and what luck the Flyers might get with the 2 picks they got, but from what I read the Avalanche were prepared to offer a lot more, and so would have Florida, if Giroux would have simply enabled Fletcher to make the best deal he could. Instead Giroux single-minded selfishness not only cost him a Cup, but it also cost the Flyers dearly. Just my opinion. I loved Giroux as player for the Flyers, but to be honest I pretty much hate him now and hope he never wins a Cup.
- jd250

Not the Flyers. He turned down their offer.
- MJL

He turned down everyone's offer including a sun and moon offer from his hometown Jets. My point to the main turd on here was that he didn't turn down the Flyers because of their current situation as an organization. Yet, the genius hermit crab can't admit that he was wrong.

The fact is Colorado had both. They had high end players that outworked their opponents to win something. What Colorado did this playoff series against Tampa was very impression. I mean last night, they shut Tampa down. For all that firepower and skill, it was their tenacity and speed that stifled a two time Cup champion. However even with all that talent, the Cup did not come overnight for the Avalanche. They had plenty of playoff disappointments along the way, but Sakic was patient and allowed the team to grow together until they finally learned what they had to do to win it all. Getting top end speed and skill is important, but I hope the Flyers learn that if they do not have patience and are willing to go through tough defeats along the way, they will never get a Cup of their own. That being said, the Flyers had a chance to draft a player like Makar, and they failed; Sakic didn't!
- jd250

The Flyers have neither and need to accept that but they won't.

The Flyers also need to hit on their draft pick this year. They can't afford to miss on yet another high draft pick.

Also keep in mind that even after drafting Landeskog and MacKinnon it was hardly smooth sailing for the Avalanche. MacKinnon put up 53 points in 82 games his fourth year, while the Avalanche finished dead last with 48 points, allowing them to draft Makar.

The Flyers don't have a Stamkos, a MacKinnon, a Landeskog, a Hedman, or a Makar and to pretend they are just going to outhustle everyone is foolishness. That's 2 1st overall, 2 2nd overall, 1 4th overall. Do you think Vancouver who drafted 5th overall in 2017 would've drafted Makar if he fell to them? We'll never know as they never got the chance. Vancouver never had the chance to draft any of the above mentioned players.

Not saying that you can't draft good talent outside the top 4, because that is also necessary to win the cup, but the top end talent you need to win the cup rarely does.

The Flyers have neither and need to accept that but they won't.

The Flyers also need to hit on their draft pick this year. They can't afford to miss on yet another high draft pick.

Also keep in mind that even after drafting Landeskog and MacKinnon it was hardly smooth sailing for the Avalanche. MacKinnon put up 53 points in 82 games his fourth year, while the Avalanche finished dead last with 48 points, allowing them to draft Makar.

The Flyers don't have a Stamkos, a MacKinnon, a Landeskog, a Hedman, or a Makar and to pretend they are just going to outhustle everyone is foolishness. That's 2 1st overall, 2 2nd overall, 1 4th overall. Do you think Vancouver who drafted 5th overall in 2017 would've drafted Makar if he fell to them? We'll never know as they never got the chance. Vancouver never had the chance to draft any of the above mentioned players.

Not saying that you can't draft good talent outside the top 4, because that is also necessary to win the cup, but the top end talent you need to win the cup rarely does.
- Flyers_01

Hate to over simplify things, but it's really pretty basic stuff. It takes talent and hard work to win a Cup. The Avs had the talent for awhile, but the players needed to find out how hard they had to work to win the Cup. John Cooper's interview after the game was a classic. That guy just gets it! The problem with the Flyers currently is that they lack both talent and hard workers. Eh what?