I'm having a hard time understanding how giving Matthews top dollar was a mistake.
- Atomic Wedgie

Paying him top dollar and bringing him to free agency at point of that contract expiring is a mistake. if you're going to make him the second highest paid player int he league , he should be getting an 8 year contract.

10.5 is good value now, but that 5 year term is literally the worst case scenario.

Ya overdrive has alot of filler but some if it can be entertaining.
I cant stand Marek and cant stand how Sportsnet hockey shows try way too hard to not be Toronto centric
- Fakepartofme

What makes TSN tv coverage better is that they’ve only got regional games so they’re just showing a Leafs game. SN has a bunch of games and they just get spread too thin. I am tired of the forced Canadiana though. Anyway, there’s a limited number of people between the two networks and if there’s one on, I’ll listen.

nope, not really. Matthews and Marner have developed into players you would pay that money for (again, not full term for Matthews is a fail), and Nylander has BECOME a steal. I don't think Marner and Matthews were well done contracts. They're not disasters or anything, but really not a big success either.
- prock

I stand corrected, But re-signing your own players might not be a strength but it is a necessity.

i'm happy with the players we got. no doubt. But when Matthews got his contract, he got top dollar, which is fine, but 5 years is a fail when you're paying top dollar. Marner probably shouldn't have gotten the money he did, again, considering where he was as a player, at the time.

Nylander contract is a big win, but rather fair at time of signing vs his comparables at the time, not a steal.

I'm happy these guys are under contract, but none of these are team friendly, in the context of where the players were at when they signed.
- prock

So your (mostly) more upset about the length of the deals vs dollars - gotcha'. I would disagree that Nylander's deal is a bit of a steal now although it was fair market value when it was signed.

IMO Marner is paid appropriately for what he has done this year - that's all I care about, not that they should have got him for less and had him underpaid for what he did this year and is doing and perhaps feel cheated. Is his dad a douche canoe? Probably. Would having him on a longer term been better? Probably.

Yes 8 years vs 5 would have been ideal for these contacts but who knows what other promises were made off paper? Guess we will find out down the road but I'm not sweating it until then, I'm just enjoying what we have.

I do wonder a bit if the shorter contracts was by design for 2 of the big 3 simply to have a more palatable contact to trade to another team if they decided to get rid of one of the core to get to a more balanced distribution of big contracts etc.

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris

William Nylander had food poisoning the day of Game 1. Bad sushi for lunch. He was puking before puck drop.

10:09 AM · May 4, 2022·Twitter for Android

And Mrazek. We owe it to him this summer to find him some playing time.
- The Law

Yes, him too

Paying him top dollar and bringing him to free agency at point of that contract expiring is a mistake. if you're going to make him the second highest paid player int he league , he should be getting an 8 year contract.

10.5 is good value now, but that 5 year term is literally the worst case scenario.
- prock

Matthews could have more $ or less term. More $ wasn’t an option available to Dubas.

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris

William Nylander had food poisoning the day of Game 1. Bad sushi for lunch. He was puking before puck drop.

10:09 AM · May 4, 2022·Twitter for Android
- Atomic Wedgie

dang, will be interesting to see if he gets better or worse

joe bonamassa once said that some of his best shows are the ones where he's feeling under the weather and things aren't quite clicking because powering through forces you to intentionally put more energy into it, or something to that effect

So your (mostly) more upset about the length of the deals vs dollars - gotcha'. I would disagree that Nylander's deal is a bit of a steal now although it was fair market value when it was signed.

IMO Marner is paid appropriately for what he has done this year - that's all I care about, not that they should have got him for less and had him underpaid for what he did this year and is doing and perhaps feel cheated. Is his dad a douche canoe? Probably. Would having him on a longer term been better? Probably.

Yes 8 years vs 5 would have been ideal for these contacts but who knows what other promises were made off paper? Guess we will find out down the road but I'm not sweating it until then, I'm just enjoying what we have.

I do wonder a bit if the shorter contracts was by design for 2 of the big 3 simply to have a more palatable contact to trade to another team if they decided to get rid of one of the core to get to a more balanced distribution of big contracts etc.
- Cush29

I'm not really "upset" about any of it. The Leafs have a phenomenal team. No GM is going to knock everything out of the park, and I think Dubas has done amazing things with drafting, signins, and trading. He's managed to get a deep, good team, behind the top 4, so it's all good. I just think a different GM would have gotten those guys under contract at a lesser price, and probably an 8 year term for Matthews.

The Matthews thing - when his contract comes up, he can demand $13M? $14M? He's got the Leafs by the balls at this point, and it could cause major problems. We better just hope and pray he wants to stay.

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris

William Nylander had food poisoning the day of Game 1. Bad sushi for lunch. He was puking before puck drop.

10:09 AM · May 4, 2022·Twitter for Android
- Atomic Wedgie

Heard the interview with Pittsburgh’s backup to the backup goalie who ended up going in for whatever OT and getting the win. Apparently he got into the team’s after game spicy pork and broccoli after the first OT because he thought there was no way he was playing and he was hungry. He said it wasn’t a great food choice.

Matthews could have more $ or less term. More $ wasn’t an option available to Dubas.
- Canada Cup

He got 8 year money IMO, still love the guy. Nylander got more % of the cap then Mackinnon…kinda of a fail there too. Marner was overpaid by a bit too.

But who cares about CAP when we’re on the eve of winning the cup. 😑

So your (mostly) more upset about the length of the deals vs dollars - gotcha'. I would disagree that Nylander's deal is a bit of a steal now although it was fair market value when it was signed.

IMO Marner is paid appropriately for what he has done this year - that's all I care about, not that they should have got him for less and had him underpaid for what he did this year and is doing and perhaps feel cheated. Is his dad a douche canoe? Probably. Would having him on a longer term been better? Probably.

Yes 8 years vs 5 would have been ideal for these contacts but who knows what other promises were made off paper? Guess we will find out down the road but I'm not sweating it until then, I'm just enjoying what we have.

I do wonder a bit if the shorter contracts was by design for 2 of the big 3 simply to have a more palatable contact to trade to another team if they decided to get rid of one of the core to get to a more balanced distribution of big contracts etc.
- Cush29

The problem with the original overpay though is, what will he want on the next contract. I don't mind the Mathews deal, he'll still be in his prime when he re-signs. So no gross over payment when he's 36.

nope, not really. Matthews and Marner have developed into players you would pay that money for (again, not full term for Matthews is a fail), and Nylander has BECOME a steal. I don't think Marner and Matthews were well done contracts. They're not disasters or anything, but really not a big success either.
- prock

As fans we regularly state deals as steals at the time its being discussed. Everyone goes on about Mackinnon at 6 million when he didn't earn it right away. So claiming Nylander isn't a steal now is just not wanting to admit how good Dubas did.

Also, I'm certain those deals were all paid based on the projection of the players and not what they had accomplished and its played out exactly how Dubas wanted it to.

I'm not really "upset" about any of it. The Leafs have a phenomenal team. No GM is going to knock everything out of the park, and I think Dubas has done amazing things with drafting, signins, and trading. He's managed to get a deep, good team, behind the top 4, so it's all good. I just think a different GM would have gotten those guys under contract at a lesser price, and probably an 8 year term for Matthews.

The Matthews thing - when his contract comes up, he can demand $13M? $14M? He's got the Leafs by the balls at this point, and it could cause major problems. We better just hope and pray he wants to stay.
- prock

5 year contract is brilliant, re-sign for 14 mil and he'll still be very good long into that contract.

As fans we regularly state deals as steals at the time its being discussed. Everyone goes on about Mackinnon at 6 million when he didn't earn it right away. So claiming Nylander isn't a steal now is just not wanting to admit how good Dubas did.

Also, I'm certain those deals were all paid based on the projection of the players and not what they had accomplished and its played out exactly how Dubas wanted it to.
- Aaron_85

Except Mack is only 8 months older and has doubled Nylander in points. Mack should have been the comparable.

Game day! Let's (frank)ing go!

Also, new episodes of ozark for those that watch
- Aaron_85

yeah they dropped last Thursday

Except Mack is only 8 months older and has doubled Nylander in points. Mack should have been the comparable.
- Garnie

And it was comparable? 600k difference between the contracts? Nylander is ppg player this year. 30 goals. Hes well worth 6.9 million

5 year contract is brilliant, re-sign for 14 mil and he'll still be very good long into that contract.
- bobbyisno1

I think that was the mentality, less now but it means when the big contract is signed there will be less (hopefully no) years where you are paying a guy huge money and it's more to alot more (like double) what they are worth at that time and it's for a large # of years.

The JT contract towards the back part of it may very well end up being exactly what they were looking to avoid.

Except Mack is only 8 months older and has doubled Nylander in points. Mack should have been the comparable.
- Garnie

The common opinion is that Mackinnon is underpaid and he's ok with it as he took less to allow the team to do more. Sadly not many players do that but the fact Nylander is paid more than him doesn't mean Nylander is overpaid - at least not to me.

He’s just trying to get people to be worried he won’t.
He’s trolling.
- .HOHO.

Stop calling other posters names and using profanity towards them, I don't want to ban anyone on game day but I will if need be.

Unpopular opinions do not automatically = trolling

And it was comparable? 600k difference between the contracts? Nylander is ppg player this year. 30 goals. Hes well worth 6.9 million
- Aaron_85

He got paid more and is not near the player Mack is
, hence the reason he was in the NHL and Nylander was in the A still. JMO Nylander should have been getting less then Mack not more on a shorter term.

I'm not really "upset" about any of it. The Leafs have a phenomenal team. No GM is going to knock everything out of the park, and I think Dubas has done amazing things with drafting, signins, and trading. He's managed to get a deep, good team, behind the top 4, so it's all good. I just think a different GM would have gotten those guys under contract at a lesser price, and probably an 8 year term for Matthews.

The Matthews thing - when his contract comes up, he can demand $13M? $14M? He's got the Leafs by the balls at this point, and it could cause major problems. We better just hope and pray he wants to stay.
- prock

Matthews bargaining power in his next contract comes from Richard and Hart trophy’s, not the number in his current contract

The common opinion is that Mackinnon is underpaid and he's ok with it as he took less to allow the team to do more. Sadly not many players do that but the fact Nylander is paid more than him doesn't mean Nylander is overpaid - at least not to me.
- Cush29

If you use a guy who’s the same age as the comp, he’s overpaid. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I would have let him sit myself, but don’t care now. Good player still has his weakness with staying competitive the whole shift/game but wouldn’t have traded him for a nobody D like some wanted.

Game day! Let's (frank)ing go!

Also, new episodes of ozark for those that watch
- Aaron_85

Don't get your hopes up.

Matthews bargaining power in his next contract comes from Richard and Hart trophy’s, not the number in his current contract
- Canada Cup

Richard, Hart and Conn Smythe trophy