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Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 20 @ 9:08 PM ET
Ottawa received forwards Chris Tierney and Rudolfs Balcers, defenseman Dylan DeMelo, the rights to unsigned forward Joshua Norris, a first-round pick in the 2019 NHL Draft or 2020 NHL Draft, a second-round pick in the 2019 draft, and two conditional draft picks.
- Ross77

no two trades are the same, what Ottawa got for Karrleson was completely different than Stone.

I mean, look what Taylor Hall went for last year and then Chariot went for a month ago?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 20 @ 9:17 PM ET
Erik Karlsson got Ottawa a 1st round pick, pretty sure thats the pick that turned into Stutzle.
- JetFuel


Thanks for correcting me. Still Ottawa 3 years ago was 4-5 years away. Maybe next year they may do something.

Or else we can look at the Buffalo model, where the team has not made the playoffs forever.
Jacob Billington
Location: Westville, NS
Joined: 10.16.2021

Apr 20 @ 9:23 PM ET
Looking at when Ottawa did their rebuild. Neither Mark Stone nor Erik Karlsson got Ottawa a first round pick. Sure former first rounders were included, but no pick.
- TheUltimateJet


Mark Stone return:

Erik Brannstrom
2nd round pick (RW Egor Sokolov)

Erik Karlsson Return:
Chris Tierney
Rudolfs Balcers (claimed by SJ on waivers)
Dylan DeMelo (Traded for a 3rd, used to select G Leevi Merilainen
Josh Norris
2020 1st (Tim Stutzle)
2019 2nd (Used to move up to select Mads Sogaard)
2021 2nd (Zack Ostapchuk)

TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 20 @ 10:10 PM ET
Mark Stone return:

Erik Brannstrom
2nd round pick (RW Egor Sokolov)

Erik Karlsson Return:
Chris Tierney
Rudolfs Balcers (claimed by SJ on waivers)
Dylan DeMelo (Traded for a 3rd, used to select G Leevi Merilainen
Josh Norris
2020 1st (Tim Stutzle)
2019 2nd (Used to move up to select Mads Sogaard)
2021 2nd (Zack Ostapchuk)

- Jacob Billington


So essentially, they got 1 first round draft pick!
Burnt_juice
Joined: 07.22.2018

Apr 20 @ 10:47 PM ET
Jets need a bomb from the point to open up PP options. When buff left, the dynamic changed. I’d move Morrissey before they can’t. He’s easily replaceable at the cap hit.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Apr 20 @ 11:14 PM ET
So essentially, they got 1 first round draft pick!
- TheUltimateJet


Josh Norris was a 1st round pick of the Sharks in 2017, they selected him 19th overall.
Jacob Billington
Location: Westville, NS
Joined: 10.16.2021

Apr 21 @ 8:01 AM ET
no two trades are the same, what Ottawa got for Karrleson was completely different than Stone.

I mean, look what Taylor Hall went for last year and then Chariot went for a month ago?

- Ross77


New posting from JFresh, or "the card man" as many know him by.

A new model that shows "5v5 High Danger Shot Assists Against per 60", which means passes across the slot, or from behind the net resulting in a shot. This is calculated and average for every team to be per 60 minutes of playing.

Carolina sits first, averaging just 2.1 High Danger Shot Assists per 60 minutes (HDSA/60), while Arizona is last, at 5.3 HDSA/60.

To my surprise, the Jets land 3rd, tied with Tampa Bay, with just 3.0 HDSA/60

Thats a lot less than I would have anticipated.
Jacob Billington
Location: Westville, NS
Joined: 10.16.2021

Apr 21 @ 11:13 AM ET
Reported by Pierre LeBrun at The Athletic this morning:

"Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff simply told me this week that he would address the coaching situation after the season...despite a new voice leading things behind the bench, Lowry wasn’t able to get an offensively talented roster to find enough consistency. But what matters most probably is that the Jets themselves, as an organization, had higher expectations this year. This is just my own sense of things, but I think you’ll see the Jets opt for a coaching change."

I agree with Pierre, in that Dave Lowry will likely not be returning. I know many readers on this board are hoping, but from a neutral perspective as well, I think it is more likely the Jets move on.

Who are some options you would like to see? I will get into that, as well as mock drafts, free agent targets, prospects, and so much more once the season ends. What other summer content would you be interested in seeing?
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 21 @ 11:25 AM ET
Reported by Pierre LeBrun at The Athletic this morning:

"Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff simply told me this week that he would address the coaching situation after the season...despite a new voice leading things behind the bench, Lowry wasn’t able to get an offensively talented roster to find enough consistency. But what matters most probably is that the Jets themselves, as an organization, had higher expectations this year. This is just my own sense of things, but I think you’ll see the Jets opt for a coaching change."

I agree with Pierre, in that Dave Lowry will likely not be returning. I know many readers on this board are hoping, but from a neutral perspective as well, I think it is more likely the Jets move on.

Who are some options you would like to see? I will get into that, as well as mock drafts, free agent targets, prospects, and so much more once the season ends. What other summer content would you be interested in seeing?

- Jacob Billington


the coach I want is Rikard Gronborg

for the draft, this is supposed to be a weaker draft so i'd rather gamble on pure skill and potential then draft a sure fire bottom 6 guy. two guys in interested in are Mateychuk and Firkus
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Apr 21 @ 11:52 AM ET
New posting from JFresh, or "the card man" as many know him by.

A new model that shows "5v5 High Danger Shot Assists Against per 60", which means passes across the slot, or from behind the net resulting in a shot. This is calculated and average for every team to be per 60 minutes of playing.

Carolina sits first, averaging just 2.1 High Danger Shot Assists per 60 minutes (HDSA/60), while Arizona is last, at 5.3 HDSA/60.

To my surprise, the Jets land 3rd, tied with Tampa Bay, with just 3.0 HDSA/60

Thats a lot less than I would have anticipated
.

- Jacob Billington


So where should our defense gaffe rage be more properly directed?

Forwards not backchecking enough to make those HD opportunities lesser? An average year from Hellebyck? Puck luck? Turnovers? All of the above? Something else?
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Apr 21 @ 11:54 AM ET
Reported by Pierre LeBrun at The Athletic this morning:

"Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff simply told me this week that he would address the coaching situation after the season...despite a new voice leading things behind the bench, Lowry wasn’t able to get an offensively talented roster to find enough consistency. But what matters most probably is that the Jets themselves, as an organization, had higher expectations this year. This is just my own sense of things, but I think you’ll see the Jets opt for a coaching change."

I agree with Pierre, in that Dave Lowry will likely not be returning. I know many readers on this board are hoping, but from a neutral perspective as well, I think it is more likely the Jets move on.

Who are some options you would like to see? I will get into that, as well as mock drafts, free agent targets, prospects, and so much more once the season ends. What other summer content would you be interested in seeing?

- Jacob Billington


My feeling is that from the very start Dave Lowry was just that - "interim coach" - barring a miracle. I think the Jets knew from the outset when Paul Maurice stepped down that this season was toast. Lowry was basically just filling in.

Most obvious choice as replacements - Barry Trotz (if available) or Joel Quenneville. Long-shots - Mike Babcock (no, probably not but?).....and...Patrick Roy. Feel that the Jets, at this point, need a coach with NHL experience. But could be wrong!
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 21 @ 12:17 PM ET
My feeling is that from the very start Dave Lowry was just that - "interim coach" - barring a miracle. I think the Jets knew from the outset when Paul Maurice stepped down that this season was toast. Lowry was basically just filling in.

Most obvious choice as replacements - Barry Trotz (if available) or Joel Quenneville. Long-shots - Mike Babcock (no, probably not but?).....and...Patrick Roy. Feel that the Jets, at this point, need a coach with NHL experience. But could be wrong!

- grahamzky


I agree! I do not think veterans on this team would respond favourably to a rookie coach. Its been done here before with Claude Noel - who for all intents and purposes was a rookie head coach. We need someone with pedigree.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Apr 21 @ 2:02 PM ET
I agree! I do not think veterans on this team would respond favourably to a rookie coach. Its been done here before with Claude Noel - who for all intents and purposes was a rookie head coach. We need someone with pedigree.
- TheUltimateJet


Read a little while ago that Boudreau isn't confirmed to be staying with Vancouver next season yet, Chevy should be pushing hard to get him here, overpay him or whatever, just get him.
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Apr 21 @ 3:53 PM ET
Coach Lowry just said NOT looking to have prospects play at all down the stretch.

Can only be 2 reasons

1) Jets are stupid
2) don’t want prospects in a bad dressing room

Either way that’s a damning statement with a few games left.

So disappointing
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Apr 21 @ 5:25 PM ET
Read a little while ago that Boudreau isn't confirmed to be staying with Vancouver next season yet, Chevy should be pushing hard to get him here, overpay him or whatever, just get him.
- JetFuel


I like Boudreau, but I don't think he makes the Jets roster any better than a wild card team.
At first I was a blame Maurice for the Jets problems, but over the past 50 odd games I've come to the conclusion they are a mediocre team with a few high end players on it, and I don't believe that Chevy can GM his way to fix it.
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Apr 21 @ 5:51 PM ET
Wheeler has spoken. Wheeler didn't say much.
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Apr 21 @ 6:16 PM ET
I read that 1/3 of current NHL coaches are on expiring contracts. Historical high.

Be BOLD and snag someone
Jacob Billington
Location: Westville, NS
Joined: 10.16.2021

Apr 21 @ 6:36 PM ET
I read that 1/3 of current NHL coaches are on expiring contracts. Historical high.

Be BOLD and snag someone

- jjonah



The Athletic did a better job than I will do in here in the comments, but justa quick evaluation on the expiring coaches:

Derek King: Wouldn't mind this. Has his players working well under him, but his systemic aspect of the game doesn't seem as there as the Jets need.

Rick Bowness: No, too old style, doesn't work well with a somewhat similar lineup in Dallas

Jay Woodcroft: Going back to EDM I'd say, but would be a great pickup

Andrew Brunette: Going back to Florida probably, would also be great

Mike Yeo: No, hasn't had success with a decently built Flyers, and yes, even with Couturier and Ellis out, I know, but they have every reason to be well ahead of 30th in the league.

Martin St. Louis: 99.9% sure he is staying in Montreal, even then, it works in Montreal, but I am not sure he works as well in Winnipeg, but still would be a decent option

John Hynes:Likely stays in Nashville, would be very much in favour of this add. Knows how to use defenseman.

Bruce Boudreau: Bruce There It Is! (Canucks management @ Boudreau regarding an extension)

Jeff Blashill: Honestly, it could work really well, or really poor. Good coach, don't know how he would coach with a roster built this way.

Would you all like a much more in depth piece on this looking from the Jets perspective?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 21 @ 7:26 PM ET
I like Boudreau, but I don't think he makes the Jets roster any better than a wild card team.
At first I was a blame Maurice for the Jets problems, but over the past 50 odd games I've come to the conclusion they are a mediocre team with a few high end players on it, and I don't believe that Chevy can GM his way to fix it.

- BWJumper


I know I have made it a common joke around these parts, but when the GM does nothing on a daily basis, it does not inspire much confidence.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Apr 21 @ 11:51 PM ET
I like Boudreau, but I don't think he makes the Jets roster any better than a wild card team.
At first I was a blame Maurice for the Jets problems, but over the past 50 odd games I've come to the conclusion they are a mediocre team with a few high end players on it, and I don't believe that Chevy can GM his way to fix it.

- BWJumper


Do you think there's a coach that could get this roster to better than a wild card team?

They are a wild card team at best but I do believe Boudreau could get the most out of this lineup, the talent just isn't there beyond there top 6 forwards though, the defense is serviceable and the goaltending isn't a problem.

I'm in agreeance about Chevy, he's just been too inactive over the years for me to think he can make the necessary moves and to be honest I question if he even sees what some of the issues are, one thing though is I wonder if his hands aren't a bit tied by a meddling owner, starting to wonder if Chipman isn't too involved in the day to day running of the team and some of the player decisions.
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