They rank Keenan that low for one of the best trades in franchise history. Solid list.
- golfingsince

Plus the best/worst trades etc are still up in the air. I bet OEL turns out to be 100x worse than Gudbranson.

I’d love to hear more. What is this system that you speak of?
- 1970vintage

you scoff but I read that Green's systems and strategies were very complicated making it hard to understand. Player's complained they had to think about what to do all the time not allowing them to instinctually react to the play.

Certain players need simplicity in their assignments. I think the perfect example is Gudbranson. Effective player now with the Flames. He was a total mess with the Canucks when Green was the coach.

I would love to be able to see all of those canuck rejects under Bruce to see if there is an actual coaching effect on individual performances.

you scoff but I read that Green's systems and strategies were very complicated making it hard to understand. Player's complained they had to think about what to do all the time not allowing them to instinctually react to the play.

Certain players need simplicity in their assignments. I think the perfect example is Gudbranson. Effective player now with the Flames. He was a total mess with the Canucks when Green was the coach.

I would love to be able to see all of those canuck rejects under Bruce to see if there is an actual coaching effect on individual performances.
- bloatedmosquito

He’s definitely simplified his game and is a big asset. I’d say right now Gudbranson more valuable than OEL. I didn’t say greater just more necessary.

He’s definitely simplified his game and is a big asset. I’d say right now Gudbranson more valuable than OEL. I didn’t say greater just more necessary.
- K-man25

I’m not sure what OEL does other than eat up minutes.

I’m not sure what OEL does other than eat up minutes.
- bloatedmosquito

I know some were praising the cap dumps to Arizona but really those are done at the end of this year. Oel contract is here for a while, Garland getting called out, that 9oa would have gotten the Canucks a decent prospect.

I’m not sure what OEL does other than eat up minutes.
- bloatedmosquito

Eats up cap.

I know some were praising the cap dumps to Arizona but really those are done at the end of this year. Oel contract is here for a while, Garland getting called out, that 9oa would have gotten the Canucks a decent prospect.
- K-man25

And some weren't.

And some weren't.
- Marwood

I think there might be a list on Mini’s phone.

I think there might be a list on Mini’s phone.
- K-man25

It was only the Benning Boys praising the 'cap dump'.

I know some were praising the cap dumps to Arizona but really those are done at the end of this year. Oel contract is here for a while, Garland getting called out, that 9oa would have gotten the Canucks a decent prospect.
- K-man25

OEL is definetly better than Guddy....but when CAP applied, I'd choose guddy lol

Yah, it sucks cuz noway garland gets a top 10 pick now.

Eats up cap.
- Load Management

That too.

I know some were praising the cap dumps to Arizona but really those are done at the end of this year. Oel contract is here for a while, Garland getting called out, that 9oa would have gotten the Canucks a decent prospect.
- K-man25

Only Benning would overpay for a cap dump.

#Canucks have a decent lead among all NHL teams by 5-on-5 sv% (.931, 2nd place is at .929).

If that holds and Vancouver misses the playoffs, they'd become the first NHL team to miss in a season with the best EV sv% since 2010.
- LeftCoaster

Flip side of the coin tells me the PK killed us.

Only Benning would overpay for a cap dump.
- A_SteamingLombardi

A lot of people were saying that about the Miller acquisition even after Tampa GM said that there was bidding for him.

you scoff but I read that Green's systems and strategies were very complicated making it hard to understand. Player's complained they had to think about what to do all the time not allowing them to instinctually react to the play.

Certain players need simplicity in their assignments. I think the perfect example is Gudbranson. Effective player now with the Flames. He was a total mess with the Canucks when Green was the coach.

I would love to be able to see all of those canuck rejects under Bruce to see if there is an actual coaching effect on individual performances.
- bloatedmosquito

Playing & coaching sports for a few years I found you use players talents that they have. The system fits the roster not the other way around. Coaching you don’t force square pegs into round holes. You max out the talent & skill sets you have then improve each player individually. Most of that should be done in development. Positioning is always expected or taught.

Is that why BB gets more from every team he starts with?

OEL is definetly better than Guddy....but when CAP applied, I'd choose guddy lol

Yah, it sucks cuz noway garland gets a top 10 pick now.
- canucksfan1944

That’s if only that was the trade but it had more players involved & cannot be broken down to simply that.

A lot of people were saying that about the Miller acquisition even after Tampa GM said that there was bidding for him.
- boonerbuck

Win some lose some. In the end not enough wins for the cost.

It’s fine & dandy to say what we have from the previous regime but idc tbh so it’s what changes that come that matters to me.

Playing & coaching sports for a few years I found you use players talents that they have. The system fits the roster not the other way around. Coaching you don’t force square pegs into round holes. You max out the talent & skill sets you have then improve each player individually. Most of that should be done in development. Positioning is always expected or taught.

Is that why BB gets more from every team he starts with?
- Nighthawk

And that's why there are a lot of bad coaches out there, at all levels of sport.

Is tonight the night the playoff teams separate from the pack?

Or was that last night…

you scoff but I read that Green's systems and strategies were very complicated making it hard to understand. Player's complained they had to think about what to do all the time not allowing them to instinctually react to the play.

Certain players need simplicity in their assignments. I think the perfect example is Gudbranson. Effective player now with the Flames. He was a total mess with the Canucks when Green was the coach.

I would love to be able to see all of those canuck rejects under Bruce to see if there is an actual coaching effect on individual performances.
- bloatedmosquito

Mostly I scoff because maybe 2% of the people who read and discuss in these spaces could articulate exactly what an NHL “system” is. Ok, maybe 0.02%. For the record, I’m not one of them.

If doesn’t surprise me that a rookie coach with a lot of great ideas had trouble instituting a complicated system in a culture that accepts very little change.

And, as you point out (and NH too), the system needs to fit the people, but by all accounts, Green got his guys, and that cost both him and Benning their jobs.

It’s fine & dandy to say what we have from the previous regime but idc tbh so it’s what changes that come that matters to me.
- Nighthawk

The only change I'm hoping for is a change of ownership and that's not happening, anything else is just shuffling deck chairs.

And that's why there are a lot of bad coaches out there, at all levels of sport.
- bloatedmosquito

Ego & stubbornness 2 traits that don’t work.

The only change I'm hoping for is a change of ownership and that's not happening, anything else is just shuffling deck chairs.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I also lean to a new owner only cuz I suspect FA meddles & that is a problem. Not letting the hockey ppl do their jobs isn’t good. It all started with his hires & on that note he failed at that. Maybe now that will change so it’s a wait & see.

The only change I'm hoping for is a change of ownership and that's not happening, anything else is just shuffling deck chairs.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I’m still wait and see. Who knows, maybe the brothers have hinted that if Frankie (frank)s this up again there’s a trunk, corn field and baseball bat in his future. So fingers crossed he lets the hockey people do hockey things.