So i guess most are trade Kubalik or let him walk?

That really worked out well for us with Suter? Still don't know wtf Bowman was doing. And they promoted him
- BetweenTheDots

Like Pius Suter is a difference maker, 23 points in 54 games and a minus 14

Regarding Kubalik, no way they should qualify him at a $4 mill cap hit. Trade him at the deadline, or try to keep him for $2 mill per if that fails. I don't know what happened to him. This is his third season, and it's worse than last year's sophomore regression. Is there an injury we don't know about that has hobbled his development?
- 333inthe3rd

The league figured him out and teams take away his space immediately when he has the puck. When he doesn't have the puck in transition no one cares about him because he can't receive a pass in stride 99% of the time.

Edit: he reminds me of Jeremy Morin... just a bit quicker.

So i guess most are trade Kubalik or let him walk?

That really worked out well for us with Suter? Still don't know wtf Bowman was doing. And they promoted him
- BetweenTheDots

Suter has a $3.25 mill annual cap hit for two years. He has 23 points in 54 games, and a slight regression in his possession metrics. https://www.hockey-refere.../players/s/suterpi01.html He's 25 now. What does anybody see his ceiling as?

The league figured him out and teams take away his space immediately when he has the puck. When he doesn't have the puck in transition no one cares about him because he can't receive a pass in stride 99% of the time.

Edit: he reminds me of Jeremy Morin... just a bit quicker.
- bhawks2241

One other thing to note, he was playing with Toews and Saad in that first season, on the right side.

The league figured him out and teams take away his space immediately when he has the puck. When he doesn't have the puck in transition no one cares about him because he can't receive a pass in stride 99% of the time.

Edit: he reminds me of Jeremy Morin... just a bit quicker.
- bhawks2241

50 fewer shots then last year after the same amount of games played. If he had 50 more shots he'd have 16 goals vs last years 17. Not terrible. Projects to about 23-25 over the season. Which isn't bad.

I'm sure glad none of you and Bowman are handling this rebuild.

Yea Suter is worth nothing, i guess nothing players get $3 million dollar contracts.

One other thing to note, he was playing with Toews and Saad in that first season, on the right side.
- 333inthe3rd

With his shot - you'd think he'd be on the right side rather than the left, which I'm sure makes a difference

Suter has a $3.25 mill annual cap hit for two years. He has 23 points in 54 games, and a slight regression in his possession metrics. https://www.hockey-refere.../players/s/suterpi01.html He's 25 now. What does anybody see his ceiling as?
- 333inthe3rd

I believe he was a RFA and Bowman didn't qualify him? And we want to repeat this step, i don't want to pay him $4 mil but if i do, and he produces next season then maybe the Blackhawks can trade for something better than a bag of pucks.

I'm sure glad none of you and Bowman are handling this rebuild.

Yea Suter is worth nothing, i guess nothing players get $3 million dollar contracts.
- BetweenTheDots

I am sure glad you are not in charge of the rebuild, in love with a bunch of 27 year old forwards that would not crack the top 6 on a bubble playoff team.

I believe he was a RFA and Bowman didn't qualify him? And we want to repeat this step, i don't want to pay him $4 mil but if i do, and he produces next season then maybe the Blackhawks can trade for something better than a bag of pucks.
- BetweenTheDots

Produce as in more goals? but still be afraid to play him 5 x 5 because he will be on the ice for far more than he scores at even strength.

They owned Paul Shmyr since he was at the St. Catherines tee-pees with the other more successful graduates.
Paul was under 5'11" and played with heart, but not sure if there is reason to think he was more than average undersized two way journeyman that the two leagues WHA & NHL were filled with.
(Today's defenders are ALL better skilled than those 12 lteam NHL league defenseman)
- wiz1901

On that list Dave Logan was a piece of work. One day he comes into the locker room in the middle of practice demanding loudly that the equip guy immediately do something right now. He was told to settle down and upon being told to do so he suckered the equip guy. Equip guy turns around and smokes him, down he goes leaking all over out like a light. When he wakes up there's no doctor around so the equip guy has to be the one who sews him up.
Logan didn't last long in Chicago.

Actually the players preferred to be sewn up by anyone other than their MD Dr. Tremaine. Who once sewed Cliff Korroll's eyelid to the bed that they had him laying sideways on.

It amazes me when the backers of Kubalik point to his 30 goal season, but do not take into account the unsustainable 20% shooting percentage he had that year. Please tell me in the last 2 years what benefit he has provided to the Hawks to be signed for a minimum of $4 mil. a year?

Please tell me how he has improved at all in the defensive end, making passes that are easily picked off, or trying to carry it out of the zone and can't. I would love to see the micro stat of how many times he fails to get the puck out of the zone when he is 3 feet away from the blue line. How many times he has blown coverage? Lucky he was able to add to his stats with a gift goal. The other 3 he should of had if he was the sniper everyone is hoping he would be he wiffed, and got 2 weak shots on goal that went right into a moving goalie. We have Carpenter who could do that, and he is much better at other areas of the game.
- LAHawk

LA, Kubalik had a 19% shooting percentage not 20% his rookie yr.

If I asked you if Kubalik scored 25 goals, 56 points, 2.8 SOG per (230 shots on the yr), 82 hits, 21 PP pts, shooting 10.9%, be a minus 3 getting only 15:30 TOI and 2:25 PP TOI skating 3rd line would you take him on next yrs roster?

Dobber is your friend, brah. The above were his numbers last yr over an 82 game pace. Those are pretty big numbers at 15:30 TOI. They are 3rd line TOI numbers. https://frozenpool.dobber...m/players/dominik-kubalik

Now his fancies ain't great but not horrid: https://www.naturalstattr...d=8477330&sit=5v5&stype=2

What does 4 mil per get you these days? Few can shoot the puck like him but no doubt not a complete player. I'm not advocating one way or the other but as Ztra smartly mentions the Hawks won't have any cap space issues, have a dearth of top 9 in the whole system and Kubalik will not be blocking a prospect for a couple yrs probably.

I guess for me it depends on term and if you can do better on the open market and if he can bring back a 4thish at the TDL.

LA, Kubalik had a 19% shooting percentage not 20% his rookie yr.

If I asked you if Kubalik scored 25 goals, 56 points, 2.8 SOG per (230 shots on the yr), 82 hits, 21 PP pts, shooting 10.9%, be a minus 3 getting only 15:30 TOI and 2:25 PP TOI skating 3rd line would you take him on next yrs roster?

Dobber is your friend, brah. The above were his numbers last yr over an 82 game pace. Those are pretty big numbers at 15:30 TOI. They are 3rd line TOI numbers. https://frozenpool.dobber...m/players/dominik-kubalik

Now his fancies ain't great but not horrid: https://www.naturalstattr...d=8477330&sit=5v5&stype=2

What does 4 mil per get you these days? Few can shoot the puck like him but no doubt not a complete player. I'm not advocating one way or the other but as Ztra smartly mentions the Hawks won't have any cap space issues, have a dearth of top 9 in the whole system and Kubalik will not be blocking a prospect for a couple yrs probably.

I guess for me it depends on term and if you can do better on the open market and if he can bring back a 4thish at the TDL.
- Mr Ricochet

48 guys already have 20g this season. There is no future here for him. He isn't a winning player. A one trick pony is a luxury on a cup team. Give his 3rd line spot to a youngster that might be around in 3-4 years.

50 fewer shots then last year after the same amount of games played. If he had 50 more shots he'd have 16 goals vs last years 17. Not terrible. Projects to about 23-25 over the season. Which isn't bad.
- fattybeef

Perhaps his shots are down because teams don't give him the space to get it off anymore?

Not bad but the Hawks don't need a one dimensional 4 mil plus player. Can go find Brandon Pirri..... he can prob pot you 20g if you give him 2 plus mins of PP time a game.

LA, Kubalik had a 19% shooting percentage not 20% his rookie yr.

If I asked you if Kubalik scored 25 goals, 56 points, 2.8 SOG per (230 shots on the yr), 82 hits, 21 PP pts, shooting 10.9%, be a minus 3 getting only 15:30 TOI and 2:25 PP TOI skating 3rd line would you take him on next yrs roster?

Dobber is your friend, brah. The above were his numbers last yr over an 82 game pace. Those are pretty big numbers at 15:30 TOI. They are 3rd line TOI numbers. https://frozenpool.dobber...m/players/dominik-kubalik

Now his fancies ain't great but not horrid: https://www.naturalstattr...d=8477330&sit=5v5&stype=2

What does 4 mil per get you these days? Few can shoot the puck like him but no doubt not a complete player. I'm not advocating one way or the other but as Ztra smartly mentions the Hawks won't have any cap space issues, have a dearth of top 9 in the whole system and Kubalik will not be blocking a prospect for a couple yrs probably.

I guess for me it depends on term and if you can do better on the open market and if he can bring back a 4thish at the TDL.
- Mr Ricochet

So the board does not want to trade Hagel, Kubalik, Strome but wants to do a tear down and rebuild. Who are we going to trade to get some useable assets back?

Not a trade yet, but changes nonetheless:


Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
CHI beginning to make changes under new GM Kyle Davidson. VP of amateur scouting Mark Kelley and Assistant GM Ryan Stewart were let go today. Both were with the organization for 15 years, part of three Stanley Cups.

A bit more:

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST
·
10m
Blackhawks confirm that assistant GM Ryan Stewart and scouting director Mark Kelley have left the organization.

Mike Donaghey will oversee the Hawks’ amateur scouting on an interim basis, and the Hawks’ pro scouts will report directly to Kyle Davidson.

Not a trade yet, but changes nonetheless:


Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
CHI beginning to make changes under new GM Kyle Davidson. VP of amateur scouting Mark Kelley and Assistant GM Ryan Stewart were let go today. Both were with the organization for 15 years, part of three Stanley Cups.
- Chunk

PROGRESS

GM of the year candidate. Ricco, you must be as happy as I am that they are changing the hockey ops

Although he has minus finishing skills, Lafferty checks a lot of boxes. Fast, physical, young, cheap.

Also nice to see Entwistle continue to develop. Lots more confidence in his game.
- scottak

If I was a coach on the Hawks team I would get Entwistle to watch endless video of Mark Stone and try craft his game after him. He kind of reminds me of him when he's on guy stealing pucks but not quite as good

If I was a coach on the Hawks team I would get Entwistle to watch endless video of Mark Stone and try craft his game after him. He kind of reminds me of him when he's on guy stealing pucks but not quite as good
- GPHawksfan

I think Entwhistle skates better than Stone. Stone is Strome slow

48 guys already have 20g this season. There is no future here for him. He isn't a winning player. A one trick pony is a luxury on a cup team. Give his 3rd line spot to a youngster that might be around in 3-4 years.
- bhawks2241

Maybe, but the numbers are the numbers and the games played are equal. Kubalik played 56 games last yr and most clubs have played 54-55 this yr. A 27 yr old who's scored 30 in an NHL season and paced at the numbers he had last yr, 25 goals, 56 points, 21 PP pts on 10.9 SPG and 15:30 TOI and be one of the top 50 goal scorers in the league is gonna attract some attention.

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You know Ricco, if Dach takes 6 years to figure it out like Cotourier of the Flyers did, but he can match up with the #1 centers in the league defensively, I am ok with that.
- LAHawk

Someone on NHL radio the other day was saying the average prospect that makes it to the NHL and has an impactful career takes 5 years. Not including top five picks, and then top five picks that are big men generally take longer than other players too

And the times they are a'changin'

@frank_seravalli·8mDirector of Player Personnel Mike Doneghey will oversee amateur scouting for #Blackhawks after VP of Amateur Scouting Mark Kelley and AGM Ryan Stewart departed the organization today.

So the board does not want to trade Hagel, Kubalik, Strome but wants to do a tear down and rebuild. Who are we going to trade to get some useable assets back?
- LAHawk

Respectfully, why do posters bring up what the board wants/says? In this case I'm just pointing out numbers, period. Not advocating for Kubalik to stay or go.

I was surprised at his 82 game pace across the board last yr and think he will attract attention. .... I think EDM is looking for a middle 6 guy and Kubalik fits that especially at his cap hit and the Oil's cap problem. Good he unleashed a rocket blast at a damn tough angle for a goal for Holland and his scouts to look over.

If I were asked if I could get a 4th for him I'd trade him but could understand bringing him back for 2 yrs too.

I think Entwhistle skates better than Stone. Stone is Strome slow
- LAHawk

That's debatable, but I am talking more along the lines of how to use his body and then anticipate plays. He kind of already reminds me of stone in that regard. He's just not quite as good at it though

And the times they are a'changin'

@frank_seravalli·8mDirector of Player Personnel Mike Doneghey will oversee amateur scouting for #Blackhawks after VP of Amateur Scouting Mark Kelley and AGM Ryan Stewart departed the organization today.
- pdx2ord

Another hire from inside the organIzation.