Oh for sure, that's why it's important to differentiate between Comcast Corporate, Comcast-Spectacor and Flyers management when we're talking about these kinds of things.

Chuck may know the Flyers need to tear down/rebuild. Dave Scott may even understand that. But if Brian Roberts isn't on board, then yeah... it ain't happening. We'll get Gaudreau or whoever instead.
- Tomahawk

Yep - with a splashy marketing campaign, a new hashtag, and a promise that "this year is different."

Until it's not.

Again.

I think Savard didn’t want to play for the Flyers. Ristolainen was just the next right handed defenseman they could get.

Like I said earlier, this upcoming season will be the test. They will absolutely attempt to make a big splash this offseason. Will that be enough for the fans to come back is the question I have. I think after awhile fans get numb to the same plan over and over again especially when it continues to fail and will be very skeptical this time around.
- psuhockey

I don't remember hearing this. Are you sure? What about Adam Larsson, who was an unsigned FA heading into FA? Could they not have traded for him once talks broke down in Edmonton?

Don't need to read the article. Just this line will do (just over 1 years ago, btw -Dec 2020).

"Meet David Scott, who leads Comcast Spectacor and is among our Most Admired CEOs for 2020."

My central argument against those who suggest that there is a win-win available for Flyers hockey and Flyers management, where we can get on a contending track AND Comcast can make more money with sufficiently high likelihood is this: Explain to me how you figured this out and a profit maximizing corporate guy like Dave Scott, who ran an entire division of Comcast for many years (essentially a Fortune 500 CEO in and of himself), doesn't see it.

I mean I want to believe it, but I am not seeing the logic here. I don't buy the "they are too dumb/incompetent" argument.
- PT21

Probably can't because business is business and the Flyers don't weigh enough within the Corporation to make a difference. I'm not saying he's not a good CEO. I am saying I don't think he's passionate enough about the Flyers actually winning the Cup to do anything about it. So maybe calling him incompetent is unfair.

It could happen if there were someone in a high enough Corporate seat who is also a crazy Flyers fan and wants them to win the Cup more than anything.

Also, when I couldn't read the article I did go on a search to see if there is a corporate connection between that publication and Comcast. lol

There isn't.

Yep - with a splashy marketing campaign, a new hashtag, and a promise that "this year is different."

Until it's not.

Again.
- Scoob

#BackAgainWithAVengeanceForRealThisTime

Probably can't because business is business and the Flyers don't weigh enough within the Corporation to make a difference. I'm not saying he's not a good CEO. I am saying I don't think he's passionate enough about the Flyers actually winning the Cup to do anything about it. So maybe calling him incompetent is unfair.

It could happen if there were someone in a high enough Corporate seat who is also a crazy Flyers fan and wants them to win the Cup more than anything.

Also, when I couldn't read the article I did go on a search to see if there is a corporate connection between that publication and Comcast. lol

There isn't.
- Scoob

As a CEO, he cannot afford to risk company $ for his private passions. They probably have growth and floor targets which he cannot breach.

The kind of ownership we need is more of the Kraken kind, or the Sixers. Group of private investors who are used to taking long run risks and willing to incur short term losses. As soon as I looked at the Kraken investor group (along with things like the Francis hiring, and the Hakstol hiring, and the sth sellout), I suspected these guys are going on a rebuild right away, lol.

I think that sale could happen, actually. Comcast sold Sixers, right? Same arguments against selling were present for both. I am not sure though if there are enough young viewers for the Flyers to make it a long term viable prospect. Outside NE Philly, the team has kinda disappeared from neighborhoods. Even in S Philly, bars often have 5-6 of 7 TVs tuned to something else during a game.

(And yeah: Philly biz journal is just the parochial little wsj of the area. Independent. Nobody reads it, but everyone is aware of what they say).

As a CEO, he cannot afford to risk company $ for his private passions. They probably have growth and floor targets which he cannot breach.

The kind of ownership we need is more of the Kraken kind, or the Sixers. Group of private investors who are used to taking long run risks and willing to incur short term losses. As soon as I looked at the Kraken investor group (along with things like the Francis hiring, and the Hakstol hiring, and the sth sellout), I suspected these guys are going on a rebuild right away, lol.

I think that sale could happen, actually. Comcast sold Sixers, right? Same arguments against selling were present for both. I am not sure though if there are enough young viewers for the Flyers to make it a long term viable prospect. Outside NE Philly, the team has kinda disappeared from neighborhoods. Even in S Philly, bars often have 5-6 of 7 TVs tuned to something else during a game.

(And yeah: Philly biz journal is just the parochial little wsj of the area. Independent. Nobody reads it, but everyone is aware of what they say).
- PT21

So you think Comcast would sell the arena?

Do you think someone would buy the team without the arena?

So you think Comcast would sell the arena?

Do you think someone would buy the team without the arena?
- hello it's me 2050

No.

Yes. Josh Harris bought the Sixers, right?

The kind of ownership we need is more of the Kraken kind, or the Sixers. Group of private investors who are used to taking long run risks and willing to incur short term losses. As soon as I looked at the Kraken investor group (along with things like the Francis hiring, and the Hakstol hiring, and the sth sellout), I suspected these guys are going on a rebuild right away, lol.
- PT21

Vegas ownership, too. They didn't have to rebuild, of course, but right from day one they operated as if their goal was to win the Cup.

No.

Yes. Josh Harris bought the Sixers, right?
- PT21

And you see all the BS he has gone through? He has been looking for his own arena.

No one is going to buy the flyers without the arena. Unless they have approved plans for a new one elsewhere.

Vegas ownership, too. They didn't have to rebuild, of course, but right from day one they operated as if their goal was to win the Cup.
- Scoob

I hate to toot my own horn...ok who am I fooling here. I love it...but I kinda predicted the differences between Vegas and Kraken even before the ED. There were some other exchanges and arguments with Kooleus in Ek's blog and Tomahawk here, but I cannot be bothered to dredge those up:

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=173614&page=3
(post at 7.25 PM)

And you see all the BS he has gone through? He has been looking for his own arena.

No one is going to buy the flyers without the arena. Unless they have approved plans for a new one elsewhere.
- hello it's me 2050

Sure it can happen. If the team goes into doldrums, it will be worthwhile for Comcast to strike a deal. Maybe not just yet.

I hate to toot my own horn...ok who am I fooling here. I love it...but I kinda predicted the differences between Vegas and Kraken even before the ED. There were some other exchanges and arguments with Kooleus in Ek's blog and Tomahawk here, but I cannot be bothered to dredge those up:

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=173614&page=3
(post at 7.25 PM)
- PT21

I wish you had a mute button

I wish you had a mute button
- bradster

I do. I use it on MJL all the time.

Sure it can happen. If the team goes into doldrums, it will be worthwhile for Comcast to strike a deal. Maybe not just yet.
- PT21

they are not going to sell the arena.

Not in the 80's. That's false. That was once a nice area. Last 25 years well not so much.

Rizzo had some nice fights.

Scanlon still going strong!!!
- hello it's me 2050

Going off 40 year old remembrances.. which rink was the one with the drugs and maybe crowds/violence ( not on ice)?
I played mostly at Wintersport and then WSC till I hung them up

Going off 40 year old remembrances.. which rink was the one with the drugs and maybe crowds/violence ( not on ice)?
I played mostly at Wintersport and then WSC till I hung them up
- RajaAmpat

wissahickon?

don't recall any with violence to be honest or drugs out of the ordinary

now I know what happened here the other night: https://www.buckscountyco...iral-video-pa/9280561002/

they are not going to sell the arena.
- hello it's me 2050

Sell team. Keep arena. Strike more reasonable deal with new owner because the former is bleeding $. All this at least 5 years away. And unlikely, I grant you that.

Btw, talking about Kraken. I remembered Giardano. I kept talking about why the (frank) Kraken signed Giardano. It just made no sense, relative to what else they did and didn't do. Looked like a short term strategy to me.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=173720&page=5
(post at 10:58 AM, 3rd point down)

Seemed like a flip to me, but then Tomahawk said they are selling Giardano as the face of the franchise, and Bill said Oleksiak would be a terrible 1st pairing and so on.

Well, guess who is on the trade block:
https://www.nhltraderumor...e-kraken-name-asking.html

Ok Bradster, I will go and kill myself now.

This point is not correct. They will not be forced to do a full rebuild. They will continue to operate as this franchise has for it's entirety with the exception of the brief pause during the Hextall years.
-MJL

Oh just give it up already! I don't know about you, but I want the franchise that I love and root for in good times as well as bad times, like now, to do everything they can to try to win. You want to sit here and pound the idea that the only way to win is to draft, draft and draft even it takes a decade. Well there are other ways to do it. Yes drafting and developing is important, but so are hockey trades and FA signings. And just like with drafting you will not hit on every pick, not every FA signing and hockey trade will work out in your favor, but that doesn't mean you don't try and keep trying. Instead of always stating it s doom and gloom because the your favorite player was fired as GM, why not wait and see what Fletcher does and then judge him on the results. Its clear to me that if he does not have a good off season and this team is not significantly better next season, you will get your wish and Fletcher will be gone.

No.

Yes. Josh Harris bought the Sixers, right?
- PT21

Now that I think of it, there was a timei thought the Sixers would relocate once Harris bought the team. He also own the NJ Devils and I think the Sixers were technically paying Snider "rent" to play at WFC. I'm pretty sure the Sixers wanted their own building at one point.

The more i think about this team we should blow it up, but i would do something many here probably wouldnt.

I would resign risto 6x5, and then trade Sanheim who has the better trade value.

I trade Yandle for a bucket of piss( so i can dump it on his head).

Braun is the one that hurts, this is the type of player you want your younger players to learn from but hes worth at least a 2nd rd pick so sadly he goes.

I keep Prov, Risto

Forwards i trade all except for farabee anyone is available for the right deal, and i play the crap out of my rookies the rest of the year and see which ones have potential and which ones we move on from(rub comes to mind).

This team is built wrong and had been for years, it starts with patching holes with UFA who dont fit into what team needs are. Our GMS have just suucked at there job, anyone of us wouldve been fired by now but these useless people continue to have a job.

Sad that fans know what needs to be done, but the clueless idiots at the top are so blinded by there desire for ticket sales and arena money they just dont care about the team.

A win tonight and we've officially got a winning streak!!! I'm going streaking!!!!

Defense needs some things tried during the rest of this season…Sanheim or Ristolainen paired with Provorov on the 1st D pairing or York with Ristolainen.

Let’s look at this logically. What is the plan for next season’s defense corps? Continuing contracts include Provy, Ellis, Sanheim and York. So that gives us…

Provorov - Ellis (inj.)
Sanheim - ?
York - ?

It is hard to find physical RHD so says Fletcher. They are considering re-signing Risto. How come the Flyers have not tried any other combinations for any real length of time to fill the hole with Ellis out. The plan going into next season has to be better. Is Braun returning? Fine but not as the 1RD or the first fill-in at 1RD. If he can be plan C or D for that slot, okay then. It makes no sense to keep Risto if you can’t use him as plan B for either 1RD with Provy or with York if Sanheim is elevated or misses games. Deciding if he and his skill set is a keep, should include some evaluation time with other logical future partners.
As far as Sanheim goes, if they need him to be able to play the right side in a pinch in the future, then now is the opportunity to get games learning to do just that. He has done it before also. If he can get it going on the pairing with Provy, it open options up for the future. It’s a solid investment.
If you say trade Sanheim or Risto or Braun. I need to hear what plan B, C and D is for Provy’s pairing. If you say trade Provy, I need to see the same plus the plan for 1LD including back up plans since few are as durable as Provy. I would not trade Provy.

I think Savard didn’t want to play for the Flyers. Ristolainen was just the next right handed defenseman they could get.

Like I said earlier, this upcoming season will be the test. They will absolutely attempt to make a big splash this offseason. Will that be enough for the fans to come back is the question I have. I think after awhile fans get numb to the same plan over and over again especially when it continues to fail and will be very skeptical this time around.
- psuhockey

Fletcher has been targeting and coveting Ristolainen for a considerable time. I believe that Ristolainen was Fletcher's first choice and if he was available, he was going to make it happen.

I mean I want to believe it, but I am not seeing the logic here. I don't buy the "they are too dumb/incompetent" argument.
- PT21

The incompetence is not on the business side. It's on the hockey side.