Dogecoin and the relaxation of vax mandates is what is holding fans back

His words - not mine
- corduroy

Did he really say this? Can you post a link?

They are saddled with the worst cap situation in the league. They have numerous immovable contracts. Tearing down is going to be exceedingly difficult to impossible. I can understand that. I cant get on board with any big UFA signings for the next 3 years. This nonsense has to stop
- Just5

Well, if they get any because of fit. They better not be injury prone or older. Realistically speaking, there is bound to be a few. Maybe short term, depending.

Holmgren comes around periodically but is no longer involved day-to-day as he once was.

Clarke had seriously scaled down his involvement pre-Chuck -- spent a lot of time in Florida -- but got more involved again when Chuck came aboard. They are close.

Bill Barber's role, at least a few years ago, was largely to help get Dave Scott up to speed on the hockey operations facet of NHL orgs after Ed Snider died. I know Billy is still there and see him around not infrequently (especially before the season) but I am not sure what his exact involvement is at present.

Dean Lombardi is very tight with Clarke and is also close with Hextall -- one they do have in common-- and, of course had lengthy NHL GM experience. See him around when everyone comes in for the big meetings.
- bmeltzer

Bill, I've read your comments on this before. When you read the comments of Scott and his answers about the Snider era and this answer about the management structure

"DS: "I mean, right now, Chuck is my guy. We're trying to build beyond that. Strengthen our front office as much as we can. But we've made a lot of positive changes that way. I'm excited about that. I feel like, personally, I'm surrounded by great hockey people. We've got our four advisors (Clarke, Holmgren, Barber, Lombardi). We've got Chuck and his staff. We've got deep talent on the hockey ops side. I feel like we're not lacking anything there."

Combine words with actions, the recent Clarke interview debacle and it's not hard to figure it out. For all of their early franchise success, this organization reeks of the Flyer old school legacy. They were asked if they were disconnected from the Snider legacy. I say they're too connected. The modern day NHL has passed this franchise by. They are tone deaf to the fans and incompetent in building and running a team in the modern NHL.
They need to completely purge the team of it's past in terms of running the hockey team. Scott talked about the winning culture of the franchise. That culture is long gone. They haven't had a winning culture in over a decade. Scott further reinforced today how disconnected he is from hockey reality. Did you hear his comments about getting the fans back? That was an incompetent answer Dave! How about winning and putting a quality team on the ice! My only hope is for the unlikely event of a fan revolt.

They are saddled with the worst cap situation in the league. They have numerous immovable contracts. Tearing down is going to be exceedingly difficult to impossible. I can understand that. I cant get on board with any big UFA signings for the next 3 years. This nonsense has to stop
- Just5

I think you’re bang on. We are limited in options here as we can’t get rid of the big contracts. I do believe they’ll double down and bring in another one or two but I don’t want them spending picks again.

Lap dances in the private suites and diluted martinis in plastic cups... cold canapes and pigs in a blanket....mind altering drugs...
Says to the wife---they ruffied me and I bought season tix to the Flyers...
Films at 11... Comcast under investigation for sales practices

- RajaAmpat

Canapes or "Can o' Peas"?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFp992ZAVZA

I did think the answer regarding G was kind of weird. Chuck basic put it on G whether he’s going to be traded or not. Now Giroux will spend the next two months answering that question every night.

Chuck should’ve just said yes. It’s common sense to move the guy as a rental at this point.
- hereticpride

Weird? May have been the most honest part of the PC. Giroux holds all the cards and they have no power to change that.

I prefer that we retard for bedard.
- Hextall271

Getting that high will take some lotto luck for sure.

Did he really say this? Can you post a link?
- iamscore2day

I don't know about the Dogecoin, but he absolutely told us all with a straight face that dwindling attendance at home games is because of Philadelphia's vaccine mandates.

Talk about NOT taking responsibility for your part in a massive failure.

Holmgren comes around periodically but is no longer involved day-to-day as he once was.

Clarke had seriously scaled down his involvement pre-Chuck -- spent a lot of time in Florida -- but got more involved again when Chuck came aboard. They are close.

Bill Barber's role, at least a few years ago, was largely to help get Dave Scott up to speed on the hockey operations facet of NHL orgs after Ed Snider died. I know Billy is still there and see him around not infrequently (especially before the season) but I am not sure what his exact involvement is at present.

Dean Lombardi is very tight with Clarke and is also close with Hextall -- one they do have in common-- and, of course had lengthy NHL GM experience. See him around when everyone comes in for the big meetings.
- bmeltzer

So the inner core are the people who are pushing the ineptitude we saw today? Who is in charge of this clown car?

Do these people really think that injuries are the issue with the team's performance? Do they not see the product on the ice? The lack of speed?

The inability to hit the net, unless it is the crest f the goalie's jersey?

Are you serious Clarke?

I never thought I would reach a point where I'm embarrassed by the team I have faithfully rooted for in my life. For as long as I can remember. They are disconnected from reality.
- MJL

Same here. Well put.

Amendment:
COMMENT OF THE DAY

So the inner core are the people who are pushing the ineptitude we saw today? Who is in charge of this clown car?

Do these people really think that injuries are the issue with the team's performance? Do they not see the product on the ice? The lack of speed?

The inability to hit the net, unless it is the crest f the goalie's jersey?

Are you serious Clarke?
- corduroy

They currently have an inordinate amount of injuries but even before that they were not playing well. We’ll see a new coaching staff, but this won’t necessarily help.

Did he really say this? Can you post a link?
- iamscore2day

Not sure -- someone posted in the other blog about it - good thing I am not a reporter have any kind of journalistic integrity attached to me, cause you know, I guess I would not be welcome in some circles of there is only one thought allowed.

That being said I could see him blaming something like not accepting Crypto currency as an excuse for attendance issues

this is as true as a roomer on this site -- VALIDATION!

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=177174&page=2

47 years old. Never have seen a Cup win. Enjoyed some magical runs that were just sensational. Fiercely proud of my Flyers heritage (Grandparents were season ticket holders starting in Season 2, section U, row 4. Beautiful times). Loyal. Passionate. Astute in hockey observation.

My main conclusion is that somewhere along the line, the Flyers brass began to take the Flyers fandom for granted. Took the loyalty and near blind faith and began to not hold up their end the bargain. I don't know whether it was Mr. Snider's passing, or, maybe, the last few years of his reign where perhaps he exerted less control over the business side of the empire. Perhaps it was during Hextall's run where there were flashes of promise and we were being told to prepare for the long game and then, guess what, the infamous "bias for action" occurs and where has that gotten us?

I think for fans of a certain age, it's been a slow, torturous road to mediocrity from the 2010 run. Poor free agent signings (Weise, Van Remisdyk most notable); esteemed prospects that don't seem to be panning out; a seemingly lack of cohesion in the brass...all of it. You take all of that and then you add in the following rogue's gallery of the hierarchy: Dave Scott, who seems like he has no real idea how to connect with this fanbase and takes his cues from either Clarke or Holmgren (or both) and simply apes what they tell him; Valerie Camillo, who also seems to know nothing about hockey, less about this town, and even less about how to sell hockey in this town. The work these two have done to alienate season ticket holders is staggering in its stupidity and tone deaf presentations. Then Fletcher, who, again, remind me why we are choosing to emulate the Minnesota Wild and not steal someone from Tampa, from Boston, some other team that has had sustained success? The guy has no personality and offers zero reassurance when speaking to the press. He seems as wooden as they come.

The Flyers used to be league trendsetters. They used to have an identity. What a lame press conference. Could Scott be any less passionate when talking about the fans? Does Fletcher have a pulse? Are they afraid to bring Camillo out to have her answer questions about what a total joke the PR and sales teams are, as they continue to fiddle while Rome (WF Center/Flyers) burn?

Enough with Gritty. Enough with the beautiful concourse. Enough with Yandle and his Iron Man streak (seems like a nice guy, but, I'm more invested in Ivan's streak that ended due to Covid). Enough with this franchise taking this once proud fan base for granted.
- Brad Marsh Fan

Well written. Thank you for posting it.

I don't know about the Dogecoin, but he absolutely told us all with a straight face that dwindling attendance at home games is because of Philadelphia's vaccine mandates.

Talk about NOT taking responsibility for your part in a massive failure.
- FloHaake

Yes, but he didn't talk about "relaxed" vaccine mandates.

Not sure -- someone posted in the other blog about it - good thing I am not a reporter have any kind of journalistic integrity attached to me, cause you know, I guess I would not be welcome in some circles of there is only one thought allowed.

That being said I could see him blaming something like not accepting Crypto currency as an excuse for attendance issues

this is as true as a roomer on this site -- VALIDATION!

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=177174&page=2
- corduroy

CSSSP

It was completely predictable. They'll make a run at somebody like Gaudreau and Klingberg or whoever makes it to free agency. They'll likely try and move up in the draft if they can.
- MJL

Absolutely. I can see it now. Hometown boy Gaudreau and massively overpaying to move up. Lock in your season tickets now. 🙄

Did he really say this? Can you post a link?
- iamscore2day

Ha ha.

Bill, I've read your comments on this before. When you read the comments of Scott and his answers about the Snider era and this answer about the management structure

"DS: "I mean, right now, Chuck is my guy. We're trying to build beyond that. Strengthen our front office as much as we can. But we've made a lot of positive changes that way. I'm excited about that. I feel like, personally, I'm surrounded by great hockey people. We've got our four advisors (Clarke, Holmgren, Barber, Lombardi). We've got Chuck and his staff. We've got deep talent on the hockey ops side. I feel like we're not lacking anything there."

Combine words with actions, the recent Clarke interview debacle and it's not hard to figure it out. For all of their early franchise success, this organization reeks of the Flyer old school legacy. They were asked if they were disconnected from the Snider legacy. I say they're too connected. The modern day NHL has passed this franchise by. They are tone deaf to the fans and incompetent in building and running a team in the modern NHL.
They need to completely purge the team of it's past in terms of running the hockey team. Scott talked about the winning culture of the franchise. That culture is long gone. They haven't had a winning culture in over a decade. Scott further reinforced today how disconnected he is from hockey reality. Did you hear his comments about getting the fans back? That was an incompetent answer Dave! How about winning and putting a quality team on the ice! My only hope is for the unlikely event of a fan revolt.
- MJL

Nothing will change. The flyers will not get rid of the dinosaurs

They currently have an inordinate amount of injuries but even before that they were not playing well. We’ll see a new coaching staff, but this won’t necessarily help.
- Hextall271

So signing kevin forty-point hayes was a good idea? For 7 years at 7+ million?

that is a good idea to chuckles -- and he has the backing of management to double down

Trading for ellis -- brokedown and on a long-term contract? Another great idea supported by chuckles, wouldn't you rather have Myers playing over yandle or seeler?

How about giving up a pick to take Ghost off the team's hands? How Smart was that? At a bare minimum couldnt the PP use a player like Ghost? Another brilliant idea by chuckcles

lets leave the asshats in charge of the current clusterflogger to fix it - make perfect sense!!

Absolutely. I can see it now. Hometown boy Gaudreau and massively overpaying to move up. Lock in your season tickets now. 🙄
- hereticpride

i can see it now johnny hockey speeding up the ice puts on the brakes and waits for hayes and jvr

i can see it now johnny hockey speeding up the ice puts on the breaks, and brakes both knees, ankles, and wrists and waits for hayes and jvr
- 2Real

FTFY

I prefer that we retard for bedard.
- Hextall271

agreed

FTFY
- corduroy

I prefer that we retard for bedard.
- Hextall271

I had people on here trying to ban me for using the word "retard"

Getting my popcorn ready for the flames thrown your way

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Snider also see to it that Dave Scott was his "heir apparent" as the face of ownership?
- Bendecko

That makes no sense to me at multiple levels, unless it was a platitude. Are you sure you are not confusing him with Peter Lukko?

On a related note, does anyone know what % of Flyers was owned by the Snider estate when they sold in 2016 to Comcast? And why they sold?