You mean like structure, structure, structure, house, house, house, fire JC, fire JC,fire JC, Murphy sucks, Murphy sucks, Murphy sucks?
- paulr

That's different!

It’s funny you say this. Leaf fans were tripping over themselves the last few days to rub Hawk fans noses in the horrible events of 2010 and the cover up completely overlooking the far more disgusting and horrible events perpetrated by Gordon Stuckless.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/c...oys-decades-ago-1.3623760
- paulr

The only good thing about Stuckless is he is now deceased. I'm sure the prison system protected him because diddlers get dead pretty quick when put in with the general inmate population. Even degenerates take a dim view of messing with children.

Of course, Stuckless' pedophile ring operated unchecked during the great Harold Ballard ownership era. And who knows what other treachery was going on around there same time.

But nothing deters Leaf fans from expressing pride in their great organization and denigrating others.

@rwesthead
Kyle Beach is scheduled to meet with NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman and NHLPA executive director Don Fehr tomorrow in separate Zoom calls. Both Bettman and Fehr asked for the meetings, Kyle's lawyer told me.

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This is not a "fire JC" post, because I want nothing more than for him to be successful in coaching our team to wins, but you know who might make a fantastic NHLPA head if Fehr is ousted ? Him

- Concussion history that cut his career short
- "Gets it" in regards to the sport's cultural challenges
- Clearly understands the humanity of the players

Time to move the old guard out in some of these pivotal positions in the league and bring in people suited for the moment.

From the last blog.....

Today @ 1:12 PM ET
Not only did he have a bat, he had Beach’s career in the palm of his hand, or so Beach thought, add in that Beach wasn’t the brightest guy and I suspect very vulnerable, but mostly Beach is not you or me or any other poster who says “Beach should have ….”
- paulr


Isn't the same true for those who say "Q should have" or "Stan should have" or "player x should have"? That is the standard applied to everyone in the case.
- mohel

This. Well said.

Even with the report, we still do not know what exactly went down, in detail. Hell, the report even explains the conflicting versions of events between Aldrich and Beach.

Let's not forget that even the Blackhawk HR Department screwed up. It was the head of HR that agreed to let Aldrich spend his day with the Cup, and participate in the parade and celebration.

If a trained HR professional screwed up, do really expect a HC going after his 1st SC, as well as a 1st year GM, do everything perfectly?

For me, the guy that f'd up the most was McD.

From the last blog.....

Today @ 1:12 PM ET
Not only did he have a bat, he had Beach’s career in the palm of his hand, or so Beach thought, add in that Beach wasn’t the brightest guy and I suspect very vulnerable, but mostly Beach is not you or me or any other poster who says “Beach should have ….”
- paulr


Isn't the same true for those who say "Q should have" or "Stan should have" or "player x should have"? That is the standard applied to everyone in the case.
- mohel

No, it is not

It is the equivalent of saying of a woman who was raped, "well, she shouldn't have worn that short skirt," "she shouldn't have been out alone at night," etc. etc.

Please don't do that

Trust me when I tell you that Kyle has done enough woulda, coulda, shoulda about that situation over the past 11 years, that he doesn't need our support in that

This. Well said.

Even with the report, we still do not know what exactly went down, in detail. Hell, the report even explains the conflicting versions of events between Aldrich and Beach.

Let's not forget that even the Blackhawk HR Department screwed up. It was the head of HR that agreed to let Aldrich spend his day with the Cup, and participate in the parade and celebration.

If a trained HR professional screwed up, do really expect a HC going after his 1st SC, as well as a 1st year GM, do everything perfectly?

For me, the guy that f'd up the most was McD.
- scottak

Any misgivings or lack of understanding on my part regarding McD's departure are gone. His departure is basic addition by subtraction, the Blackhawks are better served with him gone.

No, it is not

It is the equivalent of saying of a woman who was raped, "well, she shouldn't have worn that short skirt," "she shouldn't have been out alone at night," etc. etc.

Please don't do that
- pdx2ord

Rape is never about sex. It is ALWAYS about power, specifically ABUSE of power.

No, it is not

It is the equivalent of saying of a woman who was raped, "well, she shouldn't have worn that short skirt," "she shouldn't have been out alone at night," etc. etc.

Please don't do that

Trust me when I tell you that Kyle has done enough woulda, coulda, shoulda about that situation over the past 11 years, that he doesn't need our support in that
- pdx2ord

Don't know why you bother responding to him.

The Hawks may have won the cup but they all failed as human beings. They all deserve the negativity and consequences that has come as a result of their actions. This includes the players whom none did the right thing.
Think of that not one pplayer came to his defense. Doesn't get much lower than that. Sad indeed.

Forbes Legal Analyst

@EricMacramalla
1) At May 23, 2010 meeting the allegations advanced were of sexual harassment and not sexual assault (contrary to most reports). McDonough said he would handle (which he didn't).

2) Don't see criminal but do see possible civil liability for failure to warn (negligence, etc.)

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[dead] horse is out of the barn already, and the public understanding of point 1 is not that...however, for those of us trying to sift through all of this and decide how we feel, it was not a legally chargeable matter until Beach came forward with the facts of the sexual assault, and I believe that wasn't done officially until the court filings???

Someone correct me if I'm wrong

Don't know why you bother responding to him.
- BetweenTheDots

Guess I'm hoping that others who might share his opinion might read and understand a different perspective?

Forbes Legal Analyst

@EricMacramalla
1) At May 23, 2010 meeting the allegations advanced were of sexual harassment and not sexual assault (contrary to most reports). McDonough said he would handle (which he didn't).

2) Don't see criminal but do see possible civil liability for failure to warn (negligence, etc.)

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- pdx2ord[dead] horse is out of the barn already, and the public understanding of point 1 is not that...however, for those of us trying to sift through all of this and decide how we feel, it was not a legally chargeable matter until Beach came forward with the facts of the sexual assault, and I believe that wasn't done officially until the court filings???

Someone correct me if I'm wrong

You're wrong. Who cares. Let's talk about the hockey team and how they are doing than talking about this case anymore. It's disgusting, disturbing, and it is time to move on from it and focus on how the team can improve moving forward. None of this helps the hawks or fixes any of the on ice issues at the current moment with an 0-5-2 record. So again, it's time to focus on the team and what they need to do to do better on the ice. Kyle beach has had his day and moment, it isn't necessary to continue to beat a dead horse anymore.

Rape is never about sex. It is ALWAYS about power, specifically ABUSE of power.
- 35Tony0

Who cares! Let's move on from the negative and focus on the game at hand today and the on ice product.

Who cares! Let's move on from the negative and focus on the game at hand today and the on ice product.
- Hawk4life

You're right why would we want to bother with stuff like sexual assault, cover up and lives being ruined.

Next time your wife or kid gets raped or assaulted well just hey cmon let's move on...nothing to see here.

Who cares! Let's move on from the negative and focus on the game at hand today and the on ice product.
- Hawk4life

You're right why would we want to bother with stuff like sexual assault, cover up and lives being ruined.

Next time your wife or kid gets raped or assaulted well just hey cmon let's move on...nothing to see here.

Hey, something positive to talk about...

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST
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1h
It's pretty remarkable Phillips was a 5th-round pick just a year ago this month and his risen this far, this quickly.

He'll also become the first Team Jamaica hockey alum to play in the NHL

Isaak Phillips will make his NHL debut tonight. His parents flew from Toronto to Raleigh this morning to see it.

"It's just really exciting for me and my family."

Guess I'm hoping that others who might share his opinion might read and understand a different perspective?
- pdx2ord

Well good luck, they probably do, unfortunately

From the last blog.....

Isn't the same true for those who say "Q should have" or "Stan should have" or "player x should have"? That is the standard applied to everyone in the case.
- mohel

How about Beach's parents who knew and did nothing. Not then, not for the 4 years longer he was in the organization, not ever. If it was one of my kids who was sexually assaulted, I ain't sitting around and waiting to see what happens.

You're wrong. Who cares. Let's talk about the hockey team and how they are doing than talking about this case anymore. It's disgusting, disturbing, and it is time to move on from it and focus on how the team can improve moving forward. None of this helps the hawks or fixes any of the on ice issues at the current moment with an 0-5-2 record. So again, it's time to focus on the team and what they need to do to do better on the ice. Kyle beach has had his day and moment, it isn't necessary to continue to beat a dead horse anymore.
- Hawk4life

I'm wrong or the legal analyst is wrong?

and I care, because I've loved this team, they've let us all down, and I'd like to know if there are any people who were part of this that did the right thing at the time

But, as for hockey, I'm excited to see the first Jamaican National Team alum hit the ice for us tonight. Sounds like another diamond in the rough (6th round) who has been climbing the depth chart quickly. Have to focus on the future guys now, because I'm not sure how i feel yet on the old guard.

How about Beach's parents who knew and did nothing. Not then, not for the 4 years longer he was in the organization, not ever. If it was one of my kids who was sexually assaulted, I ain't sitting around and waiting to see what happens.
- TheTrob

How many screen names do you have

Quenville would have been his day to day contract with Hawks organization. You can't rule out that he perhaps harbours other ill will towards Q. Quenneville could have been particularly hard and critical of him in practice, Beach could blame Q as the reason he "never got his shot", other lesser coaches tend to use the Head Coach as a scapegoat when they criticize players performance "Q says you need to skate harder, Q says you need to watch your weight, Q says this, Q says that"

Beach needs to remember that he never actually told any of these guys this personally. He went through a "Go-Between" (Jim Gary) who according to the report either left out the actual details, or Beach wasn't totally forthcoming with Gary and Gary told them what he knew

Keep in mind, even during this investigation, Beach was inconsistent with his details, especially contradictory stories regarding the unnamed woman (which I believe was done on purpose with Beach thinking that she would never be found a decade later)
- TheGame316



Whatever you want to pick apart in Beach's testimony, obviously the investigators (hired by the Blackhawks) feel there is enough evidence that the Hawks (through it's employees and maybe Corporate execs) were covering up an assault. If the investigator's didn't believe Beach, or others that they interviewed, then the report would of been different, and nobody would have resigned.

The fact of the matter is, by not reporting the incident to HR, they (so as to not type each name) violated corporate policy. That is enough to get dismissed, whether you believe the claim or not. Doesn't matter what the results of the investigation is, but the fact they violated Corporate rules.
- LAHawk

Stop being detectives and move on from the case already. It is beating a dead horse already. Time to focus on the team on the ice and how they can improve. This is a forum to focus on hockey, not to focus on sexual harassment and how things are handled within the Blackhawks org. Although it is public news now, we are not in a Sex addicts anonymous group and it's tiring to read about this stuff already. FOCUS ON THE ON ICE PRODUCT. Worry about yourselves, not what should happen or shouldn't. It isn't our place or case to try to solve or continue to discuss. Everything said in here is a rehashing of the same things we have talked about for the last 3 days. MOVE ON AND FOCUS ON HOCKEY, NOT THE STATE OF THE CASE.

How about Beach's parents who knew and did nothing. Not then, not for the 4 years longer he was in the organization, not ever. If it was one of my kids who was sexually assaulted, I ain't sitting around and waiting to see what happens.
- TheTrob

Did they know at the time? Are we sure?

I didn't say anything to my parents for 10 years

Maybe Kyle asked them to leave it alone for fear of hurting his career progression? They'd have to come out and answer your question for us to know.

From Akim Aliu

@Dreamer_Aliu78
Thank you
@KBeachy12
for your courage. You are an inspiration to millions around the world!



And, if even he didn't know, did "everyone" know? Aliu, of all people, has zero reason to protect the Hawks or worry about his career by calling out the powers that be.

The Hawks may have won the cup but they all failed as human beings. They all deserve the negativity and consequences that has come as a result of their actions. This includes the players whom none did the right thing.
Think of that not one pplayer came to his defense. Doesn't get much lower than that. Sad indeed.
- CanHawk

Sorry, not putting this on the players. Beach himself a 21 year old didn't come forward because he believed that it would effect his chances of ever playing in the NHL. You think a bunch of other kids in more or less the same position are gonna step up and say anything when the victim himself won't, sure their gonna speak out for a guy on the fringes of the roster, be labeled a problem and get shipped out....wasn't gonna happen. And sorry, but those praising Boytnton and Sopel for saying something 10 years later, where were there voices at the time?

Lanky again tonight