As much as I want to rag on Dubas and his "Soo Only" protocols, Keefe's regular season record is franking outstanding.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't disagree, but I will point out the bar wasn't exactly set very high.

Ultimately he's progressed to a point he's in the same boat as everyone else, show you can do it in the playoffs.

But if we're talking about something like Dubas bringing in Thornton being good... Playing him with Matthews and Marner bad (which I'll point out was not my opinion), that inevitably cycles back to Dubas as well as he's the one who selected his own coach. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Hmmm yeah I don't think he was looking to sell it as a joke with the "who's hiding" post and the silly ass 'boo' GIF when someone referenced him exposing himself.
- joel878

He also didn't correct anyone since.

Finally somebody said it.


- AdamFrench

Which part, he said a few things.

Hmmm yeah I don't think he was looking to sell it as a joke with the "who's hiding" post and the silly ass 'boo' GIF when someone referenced him exposing himself.
- joel878

Well written intentions can be hard to decipher sometimes.

I don't know, I've spoken to Adam for years on this site, I'd be very surprised if I'm wrong.

Well written intentions can be hard to decipher sometimes.

I don't know, I've spoken to Adam for years on this site, I'd be very surprised if I'm wrong.
- Scabeh

Head shaker...

Cheers

He can still believe in the core but change how he/they go about things...on and off ice.
They need to make on ice adjustments for sure, how they went about the PP and possession game in the playoffs....failed badly. They had half a season to adjust the PP....but no..."eventually it would work" is what the believed. They used the same "eventually it would work" mentality during the playoffs. It failed as well.
Those are the changes Id like to see, pivot play, pp, pk if its not working. Keep the core thats fine, believe in them....but change systems when needed or is not working.
- Fakepartofme

The pp has been bad for the last couple years. They still haven’t switched a lot up. They need to figure out marners role on that pp because his shot isn’t a threat from the top. It’s cross ice pass or half slap shot looking for the tip. It’s a very frustrating pp to watch.

Hey Max... Which division of GLOBAL HEALTH do you work in. If you say you do,, prove it... Also, if you work in public health, I feel afraid for the people around you. All this talk about you working in the health system,,, prove it, or do not talk about it again..

Calling people twat and scum of the earth crosses the line big time.

I will flag my own post as well..
- bixll

Too late, think he's on hiatus, also flagged this by accident.

Sure

Timmins played for Colorado in the playoffs
Lilly played in the AHL

Hopefully this helps
- mr.sir

You have a very skewed definition of "proven" and "unproven", then. Since, you know, the facts say otherwise.

You can like the other guy just fine for any reason, but that is completely false.

I don't disagree, but I will point out the bar wasn't exactly set very high.

Ultimately he's progressed to a point he's in the same boat as everyone else, show you can do it in the playoffs.

But if we're talking about something like Dubas bringing in Thornton being good... Playing him with Matthews and Marner bad (which I'll point out was not my opinion), that inevitably cycles back to Dubas as well as he's the one who selected his own coach. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- joel878

Of course it’s on Dubas, he brings in the players and when you don’t play them where he wants you get fired.

Anyone have a copy of Dubas’s coaching resume? I can’t find it on the web.

Seriously though…..

Can you have total faith in a grown man who still watches WWE?

Very strange
- mr.sir

I don't watch wrestling, but it's a form of entertainment. I ain't gonna rip on a guy for enjoying what they enjoy.

I also feel like a lot of pro athletes and people in pro sports love wrestling.

As much as I want to rag on Dubas and his "Soo Only" protocols, Keefe's regular season record is franking outstanding.
- Atomic Wedgie

Keefe currently has the 2nd best pt% of any coach alltime (min 100 games), behind Tom Johnson (sounds made up)..from 1973

makes you wonder if he was a good pick

Keefe currently has the 2nd best pt% of any coach alltime (min 100 games), behind Tom Johnson (sounds made up)..from 1973

makes you wonder if he was a good pick
- senstroll

"If you lose the last game of the season, nobody gives a poop"

My biggest concern here is that you're using a gif of Shia LaBeouf.

I mean really, Shia LaBeouf?

I'm not actually sure what his stance is on COVID, but I'm willing to bet a pitcher and a plate of nachos that it's wackier than Drexel's.
- Atomic Wedgie

Have you not seen't the video that gif is from? It's literal perfection.

You're right CC.. Look at last season, Dubas signing Joe Thornton was a good idea.. Keefe playing him with Matthews and Marner was not a good idea.
- PatC80

We don't disagree too often. Here we do. I still think signing Joe Thornton was a bad idea. I liked him and what he brought to the team as a person - the team really bonded with him - but that is exactly why I didn't want him. You don't want a broken husk of a player who is riding the coattails of their former glory that everyone looks up to - when they can't perform. It makes benching them impossible. I think when you sign a guy like Thornton, you tie the coach's hands. I think Florida signing Joe Thornton is an equally bad idea. We'll see how Quenneville deals with it.

For the record I also disagreed with signing Simmonds last year, and disagree twice as much about resigning him for 2 more years.

We don't disagree too often. Here we do. I still think signing Joe Thornton was a bad idea. I liked him and what he brought to the team as a person - the team really bonded with him - but that is exactly why I didn't want him. You don't want a broken husk of a player who is riding the coattails of their former glory that everyone looks up to - when they can't perform. It makes benching them impossible. I think when you sign a guy like Thornton, you tie the coach's hands. I think Florida signing Joe Thornton is an equally bad idea. We'll see how Quenneville deals with it.

For the record I also disagreed with signing Simmonds last year, and disagree twice as much about resigning him for 2 more years.
- Monkeypunk

It's exactly what I would have said, but better.

Keefe currently has the 2nd best pt% of any coach alltime (min 100 games), behind Tom Johnson (sounds made up)..from 1973

makes you wonder if he was a good pick
- senstroll

It's amazing how many times you have to do this on this site, but to clarify for the second time... It was not my opinion.

What I was saying is that if one is to fault the coach, the coach is the GMs responsibility as well.

Perhaps I should take it a step further so this doesn't happen another 7 times... I was a little miffed with Keefe sticking to his guns in the Montreal series and refusing to adapt (it was very Babcock), but i think he learns from it going forward. All things considered, that's pretty much my only knock on him and I have very much been a supporter of what he's done as coach.

We don't disagree too often. Here we do. I still think signing Joe Thornton was a bad idea. I liked him and what he brought to the team as a person - the team really bonded with him - but that is exactly why I didn't want him. You don't want a broken husk of a player who is riding the coattails of their former glory that everyone looks up to - when they can't perform. It makes benching them impossible. I think when you sign a guy like Thornton, you tie the coach's hands. I think Florida signing Joe Thornton is an equally bad idea. We'll see how Quenneville deals with it.

For the record I also disagreed with signing Simmonds last year, and disagree twice as much about resigning him for 2 more years.
- Monkeypunk

I fully admit that I'm putting on my 20/20 hindsight glasses here, but we didn't need Thornton. We had Spezza.

You gotta respect him for sticking to what he believes in though.

He will live or die with it, which is the right way to manage.... well anything.
- Scabeh

I think he believes moving a core piece will just set them back. He has never worried about what the outside opinions are which is a breath of fresh air from what we have dealt with the last 20 years.

You can disagree with him not changing enough...but he is sticking to his guns.

the on ice results of the line with thornton were very good
- senstroll

yeah, but that would be due to Matthews and Marner carrying the line on their own.. They don't even need a LW

It's amazing how many times you have to do this on this site, but to clarify for the second time... It was not my opinion.

What I was saying is that if one is to fault the coach, the coach is the GMs responsibility as well.

Perhaps I should take it a step further so this doesn't happen another 7 times... I was a little miffed with Keefe sticking to his guns in the Montreal series and refusing to adapt (it was very Babcock), but i think he learns from it going forward. All things considered, that's pretty much my only knock on him and I have very much been a supporter of what he's done as coach.
- joel878

I think its important not to push Keefe into what has happened the last 5 years...he has had 2 playoff runs, where one of them I have a hard time really caring about with the covid playoffs.

He took that Leafs team that really was looking like they were going to miss the playoffs into the playoffs...Overall I am happy with what he has done.

I think its important not to push Keefe into what has happened the last 5 years...he has had 2 playoff runs, where one of them I have a hard time really caring about with the covid playoffs.

He took that Leafs team that really was looking like they were going to miss the playoffs into the playoffs...Overall I am happy with what he has done.
- Santo_44

I think pretty much everyone has a positive opinion of Keefe's performance as the coach, but we're all still cautiously optimistic about it - he did not make adjustments against Montreal to try and get Marner or Matthews going. Maybe he thought they'd do it on their own. Maybe he was happy with them pulling the tough minutes out of Montreal's defense to open up room elsewhere. I don't know. Obviously these conversations are things the coach has with other assistants, takes their feedback and then makes a final decision - so who knows what was decided (i.e., swapping Marner & Nylander - Nylander is a better scorer than Marner, perhaps moving Nylander to Matthews' line would have allowed Montreal to focus on more scoring threats and further reduced our ability to score goals . . .)

How he adapts and changes and manages/motivates the team will define him more over time, but he's had too little time to really establish much of anything other than winning during the regular season at a fantastic pace.

When I think of these playoff coaches, I think back to Quinn as a coach and how he used to make those small adjustments game to game to try and maneuver players or lines away from the opposition coach's strategies. I used to think he was very good at that. I also soon discovered that Ken Hitchcock was much better at it whenever we'd run into a Hitchcock team in the playoffs.

^^ That is what I hope we see from Keefe over time.

Hey Max... Which division of GLOBAL HEALTH do you work in. If you say you do,, prove it... Also, if you work in public health, I feel afraid for the people around you. All this talk about you working in the health system,,, prove it, or do not talk about it again..

Calling people twat and scum of the earth crosses the line big time.

I will flag my own post as well..
- bixll

flag the post of yesterday or day before as well please. i wasn't even online at the time and mr communism is great had to insult me in thread.. and no.. not going to share my personal life with you.

I think pretty much everyone has a positive opinion of Keefe's performance as the coach, but we're all still cautiously optimistic about it - he did not make adjustments against Montreal to try and get Marner or Matthews going. Maybe he thought they'd do it on their own. Maybe he was happy with them pulling the tough minutes out of Montreal's defense to open up room elsewhere. I don't know. Obviously these conversations are things the coach has with other assistants, takes their feedback and then makes a final decision - so who knows what was decided (i.e., swapping Marner & Nylander - Nylander is a better scorer than Marner, perhaps moving Nylander to Matthews' line would have allowed Montreal to focus on more scoring threats and further reduced our ability to score goals . . .)

How he adapts and changes and manages/motivates the team will define him more over time, but he's had too little time to really establish much of anything other than winning during the regular season at a fantastic pace.

When I think of these playoff coaches, I think back to Quinn as a coach and how he used to make those small adjustments game to game to try and maneuver players or lines away from the opposition coach's strategies. I used to think he was very good at that. I also soon discovered that Ken Hitchcock was much better at it whenever we'd run into a Hitchcock team in the playoffs.

^^ That is what I hope we see from Keefe over time.
- Monkeypunk

I think Keefe is a good coach, he's done a lot of good things in a short time here, our team defense has improved even with some less than stellar goaltending from our #1 guy... I don't blame him for the playoff loss either.. Without Tavares, there was no real secondary scoring threat.. Moving Nylander up and Marner down, wouldn't have helped..

Marner with Kerfoot and Galchenyuk, I mean none of them are really a threat to shoot, that's why Nylander worked there.

As for the PP, you need your big guys to step up when on the powerplay, and the Leafs didn't.. The Leafs still need a threat to shoot from the point.. I would rather have someone other than Marner play at the top on the PP, everyone knows he's gonna look to pass first.

I think pretty much everyone has a positive opinion of Keefe's performance as the coach, but we're all still cautiously optimistic about it - he did not make adjustments against Montreal to try and get Marner or Matthews going. Maybe he thought they'd do it on their own. Maybe he was happy with them pulling the tough minutes out of Montreal's defense to open up room elsewhere. I don't know. Obviously these conversations are things the coach has with other assistants, takes their feedback and then makes a final decision - so who knows what was decided (i.e., swapping Marner & Nylander - Nylander is a better scorer than Marner, perhaps moving Nylander to Matthews' line would have allowed Montreal to focus on more scoring threats and further reduced our ability to score goals . . .)

How he adapts and changes and manages/motivates the team will define him more over time, but he's had too little time to really establish much of anything other than winning during the regular season at a fantastic pace.

When I think of these playoff coaches, I think back to Quinn as a coach and how he used to make those small adjustments game to game to try and maneuver players or lines away from the opposition coach's strategies. I used to think he was very good at that. I also soon discovered that Ken Hitchcock was much better at it whenever we'd run into a Hitchcock team in the playoffs.

^^ That is what I hope we see from Keefe over time.
- Monkeypunk

Not my view. It's more than the playoffs. Coach is there to cheerlead and to implement a gameplan or strategy. Didn't like the keep passing it back to avoid contact until you are behind your own net strategy. It backfired plenty when pressure was applied. Hated the power play started off great for a month or so and then became one of the worst in the league. For the level of offensive talent this is squarely on the coaching staff. The lack of contact and willingness to engage is at least partially on the coach.

flag the post of yesterday or day before as well please. i wasn't even online at the time and mr communism is great had to insult me in thread.. and no.. not going to share my personal life with you.
- MaximusAurelius

Shut up regarding this topic or get banned Max

End of story.