Why would they draft Tarasenko then trade him for Jake? They could draft both of them for nothing.. if they draft Tarasenko he's nor coming here
- mageejames40

Same reason as why Gostisbehere passed through waivers unclaimed. There's a salary cap to manage. Two years of term on Tarasenko at $7.5 million and three years of term on Voracek at $8.25 million is a whole lot of cap commitment.

That said, I still think there's a good chance that the Kraken take Dunn from St. Louis and someone other than Voracek (Ghost or JVR) from the Flyers.

Ellis said in his presser that it was a broken knuckle last season not a shoulder injury.
I really dislike all those reports now and the secrecy of “upper or lower” right about now. However, everyone should feel a little more confident now about his recent health.

So right now you would take Eichel over Couturier for the next 6-8 years regardless of salary?
- mickel25

Nope.

Which prospects are blue chip for the Rangers?
- mickel25

Go take a look at their roster and prospects.

Is LAF a blue chip prospect? Does anyone on the flyers have his potential celling?

Ellis said in his presser that it was a broken knuckle last season not a shoulder injury.
I really dislike all those reports now and the secrecy of “upper or lower” right about now. However, everyone should feel a little more confident now about his recent health.


- NC Flyers Fan

I think the fact that he looked very close to his usual standards down the stretch and the playoffs -- including offensively with 9 points in final 14 RS games and 5 points in 6 games in the Carolina series -- suggested there was nothing career threatening going on with him. Still, it was a relief that it turns out he didn't have any sort of shoulder issue last season much less surgery.

So right now you would take Eichel over Couturier for the next 6-8 years regardless of salary?
- mickel25

Eichel has 5 years left at 10 per I think he’s 25 maybe 26.

Coots signing at age 30 🤮8+/???

Eichel more elite offensively

I’d take Eichel everyday of the week and twice on Sunday

Same reason as why Gostisbehere passed through waivers unclaimed. There's a salary cap to manage. Two years of term on Tarasenko at $7.5 million and three years of term on Voracek at $8.25 million is a whole lot of cap commitment.

That said, I still think there's a good chance that the Kraken take Dunn from St. Louis and someone other than Voracek (Ghost or JVR) from the Flyers.
- bmeltzer

Any scenario where they take ghost or Jvr is A OK with me

Ellis said in his presser that it was a broken knuckle last season not a shoulder injury.
I really dislike all those reports now and the secrecy of “upper or lower” right about now. However, everyone should feel a little more confident now about his recent health.


- NC Flyers Fan

That’s also a flukeish injury, makes the missed time seem a bit better

I think the fact that he looked very close to his usual standards down the stretch and the playoffs -- including offensively with 9 points in final 14 RS games and 5 points in 6 games in the Carolina series -- suggested there was nothing career threatening going on with him. Still, it was a relief that it turns out he didn't have any sort of shoulder issue last season much less surgery.
- bmeltzer

Somewhere SSB is pissed that it wasn’t a serious shoulder injury

If the Flyers are giving up a pick with Voracek than most likely Seattle would retain salary. Not sure how I feel about Tarasenko at this point, but hypothetically:

(PHI) Voracek and 2021 1st for (SEA) Tarasenko (30% Retained)

+2.25m

Seattle selects Ghost

+4.5m

Giroux-Couturier-Tarasenko
Lindblom-Hayes-Konecny
JvR-Frost-Farabee
Allison-Laughton-NAK

Twarynski


Provorov-Ellis
Sanheim-
- Glak18[UFA]
York-Braun

Hagg

Hart
[UFA]

16,135,477 CAP SPACE

Re-Sign Sanheim
Re-Sign Hart
Sign UFA Defenseman
Sign Goaltender

I am not going higher than a 3rd.....1rst is WAY too much.

Go take a look at their roster and prospects.

Is LAF a blue chip prospect? Does anyone on the flyers have his potential celling?
- hello it's me 2050

So anyone wearing blue is better than anyone wearing orange? Did Farabee outperform LAF and Kakko last year? They were both selected higher in the draft were they not?

How did that happen? Farabee wore orange and black for every game?

Nope.
- bmeltzer

I hope this is because of injury concerns to Eichel neck??

I think the fact that he looked very close to his usual standards down the stretch and the playoffs -- including offensively with 9 points in final 14 RS games and 5 points in 6 games in the Carolina series -- suggested there was nothing career threatening going on with him. Still, it was a relief that it turns out he didn't have any sort of shoulder issue last season much less surgery.
- bmeltzer

Yes, I thought he looked good.

He is one of the top centers in the league. Is 25 in his prime. They have the assets to give up without crippling their team. When players like him become availbale you do what you can to acquire them. Well the fact he wants out of Buffalo shows me he is tired of losing and wants to win. Love that attitude. Unlike some players.

Will giving ex selke 8 million for 8 years hamstring the the flyers to some extent?

Would you trade the Flyers organization of players for the Rangers?
- hello it's me 2050

lol

So anyone wearing blue is better than anyone wearing orange? Did Farabee outperform LAF and Kakko last year? They were both selected higher in the draft were they not?

How did that happen? Farabee wore orange and black for every game?
- mickel25

Yes that is exactly what I said. Go back and reread what I posted.

Does laf have a higher celling than Farabee? Yes or no?

Bill as far as Williams goes. What were his duties as AC in NY and Vancouver? Do you see him assuming any duties currently held by Yeo or Therrien ?

He is one of the top centers in the league. Is 25 in his prime. They have the assets to give up without crippling their team. When players like him become availbale you do what you can to acquire them. Well the fact he wants out of Buffalo shows me he is tired of losing and wants to win. Love that attitude. Unlike some players.

Will giving ex selke 8 million for 8 years hamstring the the flyers to some extent?

Would you trade the Flyers organization of players for the Rangers?
- hello it's me 2050

I would trade organizations is a second...The Rangers organization is better in every facet...their NHL offense is better..defense is better..and goaltending is better. Add to that their farm is deeper. As hard as it is to say that. And they have CAP space to make more moves

Yes that is exactly what I said. Go back and reread what I posted.

Does laf have a higher celling than Farabee? Yes or no?
- hello it's me 2050

Who determines the ceiling? When does the actual stats become more important than the "ceiling"?

If you ask the 32 GM's in the NHL who would they take?

Bill as far as Williams goes. What were his duties as AC in NY and Vancouver? Do you see him assuming any duties currently held by Yeo or Therrien ?
- Djapana

Bench assist and/or video coach, depending on the year. Elsewhere, he's been a head coach and a strength and conditioning program overseer. He will take over Lappy's role. No change in duties for Yeo and Therrien.

I hope this is because of injury concerns to Eichel neck??
- Stayin alive

Eichel simply isn't that good.

I would trade organizations is a second...The Rangers organization is better in every facet...their NHL offense is better..defense is better..and goaltending is better. Add to that their farm is deeper. As hard as it is to say that. And they have CAP space to make more moves
- hfc355

But somehow the Flyers won the H2H two years in a row. The Rangers are flashier no doubt. But they are not setup to win any sooner than the Flyers.

Who determines the ceiling? When does the actual stats become more important than the "ceiling"?

If you ask the 32 GM's in the NHL who would they take?
- mickel25

Really? Who do you thing they take?

So then a simple question for you. If the Rangers offered him straight up for Farabee would you make that deal? Yes or no.

Why is Couturier a lesser option than Eichel? Also, why do you value the Rangers prospects higher than the Flyers?
- mickel25

Couts is a nice player..Eichel is a potential Hall of Famer. Players arent even close. Rangers young players and prospects are far far superior then Flyers. They had an All Rookie D man playing #1 minutes..a 2nd yr guy win the Norris..and loaded with youth up front and in net. Plus they also have 3 top tier D prospects..not even close

What about Haag ?

maybe Ellis is homophobic and that’s why they traded him. He does have an incel beard.