Tomorrow will be a day of big moves. And then I think it will be a none stop frenzy of moves across the league.

I hope Chuck stays on the attack. Keeps trying to make moves that can make this club improved. Ellis was the biggest move right before the freeze. I haven’t seen any major pundit that says the Flyers didn’t make a great trade.

Funny how some people hate everything and some people (me) seem to love everything.

I love my Flyer googles. It’s gotta be more fun then the people that hate everything.
- peesinwind

I promise you, once you realize that there are not just those 2 camps, your current fun will quadruple.

5V5 "within 1" order by goals per 60mins, min 100 mins played:
http://www.naturalstattri...ines=single&draftteam=ALL






Btw look who's #1 lol.
- Tomahawk

Odd stat, frankly.

Is there any reason why a goal scored when a team is ahead by 1 (within 1) is more valuable than the one scored when it is trailing by two?

Coots isn’t remotely as good as we make him out to be. Sean Couturier is on a two way center level with Patrice Bergeron except Bergeron is a way more dynamic scorer. Bergeron is leading the charge in pressure moments and getting the job done.
- SuperSchennBros

Patrice Bergeron is a pretty exceptional player....being able to be a point per game player and a top shutdown forward is something a select few can claim...same for Coots. I feel you are downplaying this point. Both play on the top line of their respective teams for a reason. Not taking away from Eichel's skill (he has plenty of it), but he hasn't been able to elevate his line mates and team.

Is there any reason why a goal scored when a team is ahead by 1 (within 1) is more valuable than the one scored when it is trailing by two?
- PT21

"Pressure moments" is what SSB referred to. In hockey that's trying to tie a game, break a tie or to extend a 1-goal lead.

I promise you, once you realize that there are not just those 2 camps, your current fun will quadruple.
- PT21

😆 yeah. Didn’t say there weren’t those in between. Just said it is surprising how many there are. 😂

"Pressure moments" is what SSB referred to. In hockey that's trying to tie a game, break a tie or to put a game away.
- Tomahawk

Why doesn't include "bringing within one"? Is this your definition?

(For the record, I think Couturier is an very very good player. One whose trade would have been the most rational path forward if the club really cared about winning a cup).

Patrice Bergeron is a pretty exceptional player....being able to be a point per game player and a top shutdown forward is something a select few can claim...same for Coots. I feel you are downplaying this point. Both play on the top line of their respective teams for a reason. Not taking away from Eichel's skill (he has plenty of it), but he hasn't been able to elevate his line mates and team.
- Sublime55

The main difference between Bergy and Coots is that Boston's PP is absolutely lethal and Bergy does a lot of damage in the high slot there.

Otherwise, they're pretty much neck and neck.

Is this your definition?
- PT21

No.

The stats community used to restrict most sample sizes to "within 1" situations in an attempt to deal with score effects. Dunno if that's still de riguer or not.

😆 yeah. Didn’t say there weren’t those in between. Just said it is surprising how many there are. 😂
- peesinwind

Its kinda hard to distinguish those who are justly critical of the club and irrationally so though.

But yeah, tomorrow should be a blast.

No.

The stats community used to restrict most sample sizes to "within 1" situations in an attempt to deal with score effects. Dunno if that's still de riguer or not.
- Tomahawk

Hmm. I will take your word for it.

But I would have focused on tied or trailing by 1 rather than include leading by 1 if I really wanted to focus on pressure situations. Especially in playoffs, where if you are leading by 1 with <5m to go, the game is essentially a pp in the trailing team's favor.

EDIT: focus on eliminating score effects

it'd be hilarious if patrick is healthy this year and scores 30 goals
- 2Real

he needs to try to focus on squeaking by 30 points again first

It's just sad that Flyers fans still don't appreciate everything Sean Couturier does, and how well he does it, even after all these years.


- Tomahawk

It be a steal if we could get 1st line Eichel for 3rd line Coots

You could be right, its an interesting theory, but if that were true, I doubt Patrick would use the C word himself thereafter.

On a more general aside, I find the faith of fans here to be astonishing. There is a general distrust of virtually everything else here. Many people are suspicious that politicians, the press, the scientists, the Church, Hollywood, government (and virtually every institution there is) are lying. That almost seems the default position.

The default position regarding the club though appears to be that it is to be believed unless proven otherwise. Its quite odd, because the club in question is a profit making enterprise at heart.
- PT21

The issue is that you're comparing sports to all those other entities. I think if any fan finds themselves in the position where you find their position to be astonishing, should take faith in knowing that they're most likely on the right side of things.

What is Seattle selects ghost and then they also draft tank and then trade tank to us for JV?
If Francis is smart he will go that route IF he picks tank and not Dunn
- Bob Habib

They’d want a pick from us too I’m sure

No.

The stats community used to restrict most sample sizes to "within 1" situations in an attempt to deal with score effects. Dunno if that's still de riguer or not.
- Tomahawk

The issue of score effects was brought up many times. As well as not looking at analytics for all situations play.

Hmm. I will take your word for it.

But I would have focused on tied or trailing by 1 rather than include leading by 1 if I really wanted to focus on pressure situations. Especially in playoffs, where if you are leading by 1 with <5m to go, the game is essentially a pp in the trailing team's favor.

EDIT: focus on eliminating score effects
- PT21

Leading by 1 in a playoff game is a very high pressure situation. The other team is pressing. Scoring a goal in that situation if your on the team in the lead, is huge obviously. A lot of players play more cautiously in that situation.

Dating back to 2017-18 (the year Couturier's offensive role became an apples-to-apples 1C comparison to Bergeron; this was the year Giroux was moved from center to LW and the year following the offseason trade of Brayden Schenn to St. Louis):


Regular season:

Couturier 276 GP, 104 G, 148 A, 252 PTS, 0.913 points-per-game
Bergeron 244 GP, 116 G, 130 A, 246 PTS, 1.016 points-per-game

Playoffs:

Couturier 20 GP, 7 G, 11 A, 18 PTS, 0.900 points-per-game
Bergeron 59 GP, 21 G, 29 A, 50 PTS, 0.847 points-per-game


Bergeron has also had the benefit of centering Marchand and Pastrnak for the duration of this time period. Couturier has had some very good linemates, too, but has also played with a variety of players (most of whom saw a bump in their production when played on his line).

Is Bergeron slightly better than Couturier? Yes, just a little. But to talk about vastly better Bergeron is sheer hyperbole.

Dating back to 2017-18 (the year Couturier's offensive role became an apples-to-apples 1C comparison to Bergeron; this was the year Giroux was moved from center to LW and the year following the offseason trade of Brayden Schenn to St. Louis):


Regular season:

Couturier 276 GP, 104 G, 148 A, 252 PTS, 0.913 points-per-game
Bergeron 244 GP, 116 G, 130 A, 246 PTS, 1.016 points-per-game

Playoffs:

Couturier 20 GP, 7 G, 11 A, 18 PTS, 0.900 points-per-game
Bergeron 59 GP, 21 G, 29 A, 50 PTS, 0.847 points-per-game


Bergeron has also had the benefit of centering Marchand and Pastrnak for the duration of this time period. Couturier has had some very good linemates, too, but has also played with a variety of players (most of whom saw a bump in their production when played on his line).

Is Bergeron slightly better than Couturier? A little. But to talk about vastly better Bergeron is sheer hyperbole.
- bmeltzer

Lets just say Coots is a lot closer to Bergy than Eichel is to the HOF lol

Dating back to 2017-18 (the year Couturier's offensive role became an apples-to-apples 1C comparison to Bergeron; this was the year Giroux was moved from center to LW and the year following the offseason trade of Brayden Schenn to St. Louis):


Regular season:

Couturier 276 GP, 104 G, 148 A, 252 PTS, 0.913 points-per-game
Bergeron 244 GP, 116 G, 130 A, 246 PTS, 1.016 points-per-game

Playoffs:

Couturier 20 GP, 7 G, 11 A, 18 PTS, 0.900 points-per-game
Bergeron 59 GP, 21 G, 29 A, 50 PTS, 0.847 points-per-game


Bergeron has also had the benefit of centering Marchand and Pastrnak for the duration of this time period. Couturier has had some very good linemates, too, but has also played with a variety of players (most of whom saw a bump in their production when played on his line).

Is Bergeron slightly better than Couturier? A little. But to talk about vastly better Bergeron is sheer hyperbole.
- bmeltzer

That seems fair. The only 2 things I would carp on are:

1. A huge # of Couts points have come against Pens, and the Malkin line in particular in the post season. Take away those 5 games against Pens in 18, and the stats change to 9 points in 15 games. Take away the hat trick game and I think it becomes 13 points in 19 games.

2. There are series in post-season where Couts has had hardly any impact. The Habs series last year, for example. when Shea Weber swallowed him up like a python.

Dating back to 2017-18 (the year Couturier's offensive role became an apples-to-apples 1C comparison to Bergeron; this was the year Giroux was moved from center to LW and the year following the offseason trade of Brayden Schenn to St. Louis):


Regular season:

Couturier 276 GP, 104 G, 148 A, 252 PTS, 0.913 points-per-game
Bergeron 244 GP, 116 G, 130 A, 246 PTS, 1.016 points-per-game

Playoffs:

Couturier 20 GP, 7 G, 11 A, 18 PTS, 0.900 points-per-game
Bergeron 59 GP, 21 G, 29 A, 50 PTS, 0.847 points-per-game


Bergeron has also had the benefit of centering Marchand and Pastrnak for the duration of this time period. Couturier has had some very good linemates, too, but has also played with a variety of players (most of whom saw a bump in their production when played on his line).

Is Bergeron slightly better than Couturier? Yes, just a little. But to talk about vastly better Bergeron is sheer hyperbole.
- bmeltzer

I would be interested to see what the 5 on 5 numbers are. To me where Bergeron has the edge is on the PP. He excels at that bumper spot. Bergeron is extremely good a moving in and out and finding seams and getting a good shot off in traffic in the middle on the PP. That's Couturier's weakness, the PP. However, Couturier is a dominant player at 5 on 5.

Just a thought. As we approach the expansion draft can’t help to think if Ron was planning for it long before. Not complaining about the signing but take Hayes contract off the books. We would be on outstanding shape going into the draft imo and a lot of his picks are reaching the nhl. Wonder if those was the end of phase two and the beginning of his phase three.

Tomorrow will be a day of big moves. And then I think it will be a none stop frenzy of moves across the league.

I hope Chuck stays on the attack. Keeps trying to make moves that can make this club improved. Ellis was the biggest move right before the freeze. I haven’t seen any major pundit that says the Flyers didn’t make a great trade.

Funny how some people hate everything and some people (me) seem to love everything.

I love my Flyer googles. It’s gotta be more fun then the people that hate everything.
- peesinwind

Curious what kind of 2RD can we get for Laughton?

Its kinda hard to distinguish those who are justly critical of the club and irrationally so though.

But yeah, tomorrow should be a blast.
- PT21

Well the let down of last season I can understand. I’ll make a better attempt at not being critical of those bing critical. 🤣🤣🤣

But I feel we were let down because we know they under performed drastically.

Dating back to 2017-18 (the year Couturier's offensive role became an apples-to-apples 1C comparison to Bergeron; this was the year Giroux was moved from center to LW and the year following the offseason trade of Brayden Schenn to St. Louis):


Regular season:

Couturier 276 GP, 104 G, 148 A, 252 PTS, 0.913 points-per-game
Bergeron 244 GP, 116 G, 130 A, 246 PTS, 1.016 points-per-game

Playoffs:

Couturier 20 GP, 7 G, 11 A, 18 PTS, 0.900 points-per-game
Bergeron 59 GP, 21 G, 29 A, 50 PTS, 0.847 points-per-game


Bergeron has also had the benefit of centering Marchand and Pastrnak for the duration of this time period. Couturier has had some very good linemates, too, but has also played with a variety of players (most of whom saw a bump in their production when played on his line).

Is Bergeron slightly better than Couturier? Yes, just a little. But to talk about vastly better Bergeron is sheer hyperbole.
- bmeltzer

GET EM BILL

That seems fair. The only 2 things I would carp on are:

1. A huge # of Couts points have come against Pens, and the Malkin line in particular in the post season. Take away those 5 games against Pens in 18, and the stats change to 9 points in 15 games. Take away the hat trick game and I think it becomes 13 points in 19 games.

2. There are series in post-season where Couts has had hardly any impact. The Habs series last year, for example. when Shea Weber swallowed him up like a python.
- PT21

Let’s make a small sample size smaller and smaller…yeah, selectively remove games…that’s the way to make it “more” accurate.

Of course, team depth, performance, and matchup always affect individual and then team results. Winning being more important than individual stats.