2. Flyers repeatedly alluded to his family history of migraines thus insinuating that the situation was not caused by injury (that is, it was not trauma-caused migraines).
3. Flyers repeatedly referred to his ailment as "migraine disorder" without a single word about concussions.
If you believe under the circumstances, that the Flyers were neither dishonest, nor disengenuous, than I will, without rancor, just say we have different interpretations of the two words. - PT21
Generally I would not trade a top line center for a top line winger. Unless of course the winger is named Kane or Ovechkin - mickel25
Yes I agree. Generally I wouldn’t. But coots will be 30 and Sam 26. I think that age difference balances off the center vs wing value plus San can play center also
2. Flyers repeatedly alluded to his family history of migraines thus insinuating that the situation was not caused by injury (that is, it was not trauma-caused migraines).
3. Flyers repeatedly referred to his ailment as "migraine disorder" without a single word about concussions.
If you believe under the circumstances, that the Flyers were neither dishonest, nor disengenuous, than I will, without rancor, just say we have different interpretations of the two words. - PT21
Very well put thank you..
I called bs from the beginning. Anyone with migraines knows it doesn’t take a year to address the problem unless there’s some serious other condition. Usually head trauma
I called bs from the beginning. Anyone with migraines knows it doesn’t take a year to address the problem unless there’s some serious other condition. Usually head trauma - Stayin alive
I’ll also accept mjl apology for not EVER producing that pre draft article (dated) about nopa history of migraines.
The truth has come out by nopa himself it was concussion related.
So nice being vindicated 1-2 years later. Nice indeed
How does this hurt the Flyers? The Rangers will have to give up multiple assets to obtain Eichel and then have to absorb his cap hit over $10M+ for multiple years, which will hamstring them to some extent from making other deals. Plus I don't think Eichel is a winner and worth the money, so I say ... Go Rangers, get Eichel! - jd250
Leight but ... Imagine NYR paying 22m for two players.
That would be a quarter of their entire cap on eichel and panarin. I'm all for NYR doing that!
2. Flyers repeatedly alluded to his family history of migraines thus insinuating that the situation was not caused by injury (that is, it was not trauma-caused migraines).
3. Flyers repeatedly referred to his ailment as "migraine disorder" without a single word about concussions.
If you believe under the circumstances, that the Flyers were neither dishonest, nor disengenuous, than I will, without rancor, just say we have different interpretations of the two words. - PT21
Again. The only thing I read (from the above links) that the migraines were not due to concussion. They never denied he had concussions. They just say the migraines were diagnosed from the dr as not related.
Not saying yes or no to that. But I don’t think the Flyers were disingenuous.
I am speculating now why. My suspicion is that they expected him to recover quicker. In the meantime, they did not want to dampen any expectations about his potential for the sake of ticket sales, excitement about future of team, or anything. Until the last year, he was no worse than a #2 pick with a slow start.
Once the last year happened and he was putrid, both performance and the brand value diminished sharply. He became expendable.
Speaking of which, I am suspicious about the Ellis report. If there were no shoulder issues, and the knuckle was the reason, the Preds organization flat out lied when they used "upper body" as the reason for the IR. Today Chuck Fletcher was somewhat evasive about it. So weird was this that even Wapo ran a story on it.
Reading between the lines, I suspect there was a shoulder injury and a knuckle surgery. Once again, the latter is far less concerning about future of his play. As such, same reasons for tailoring message artfully.
What is Seattle selects ghost and then they also draft tank and then trade tank to us for JV?
If Francis is smart he will go that route IF he picks tank and not Dunn
I am speculating now why. My suspicion is that they expected him to recover quicker. In the meantime, they did not want to dampen any expectations about his potential for the sake of ticket sales, excitement about future of team, or anything. Until the last year, he was no worse than a #2 pick with a slow start.
Once the last year happened and he was putrid, both performance and the brand value diminished sharply. He became expendable.
Speaking of which, I am suspicious about the Ellis report. If there were no shoulder issues, and the knuckle was the reason, the Preds organization flat out lied when they used "upper body" as the reason for the IR. Today Chuck Fletcher was somewhat evasive about it. So weird was this that even Wapo ran a story on it.
Reading between the lines, I suspect there was a shoulder injury and a knuckle surgery. Once again, the latter is far less concerning about future of his play. As such, same reasons for tailoring message artfully. - PT21
The player stated himself there was no shoulder injury and no surgeries.
Again. The only thing I read (from the above links) that the migraines were not due to concussion. They never denied he had concussions. They just say the migraines were diagnosed from the dr as not related.
Not saying yes or no to that. But I don’t think the Flyers were disingenuous. - peesinwind
I honestly don't know what your confusion is about. The player said he had a concussion and that was the reason for his long absence. The Flyers said he has migraines, and explicitly said their doctors ruled out concussion.
If that is not a contradiction for you, I am not sure what would be.
I am speculating now why. My suspicion is that they expected him to recover quicker. In the meantime, they did not want to dampen any expectations about his potential for the sake of ticket sales, excitement about future of team, or anything. Until the last year, he was no worse than a #2 pick with a slow start.
Once the last year happened and he was putrid, both performance and the brand value diminished sharply. He became expendable.
Speaking of which, I am suspicious about the Ellis report. If there were no shoulder issues, and the knuckle was the reason, the Preds organization flat out lied when they used "upper body" as the reason for the IR. Today Chuck Fletcher was somewhat evasive about it. So weird was this that even Wapo ran a story on it.
Reading between the lines, I suspect there was a shoulder injury and a knuckle surgery. Once again, the latter is far less concerning about future of his play. As such, same reasons for tailoring message artfully. - PT21
Believe it’s literally above torso and below. It’s not a lie.
I honestly don't know what your confusion is about. The player said he had a concussion and that was the reason for his long absence. The Flyers said he has migraines, and explicitly said their doctors ruled out concussion.
If that is not a contradiction for you, I am not sure what would be. - PT21
Could the player prefer to say it was a concussion? Maybe by doing that it sends out the message that it is something he can recover from compared to a migraine issues that could plague his career?
Just playing devils advocate.
I still feel like everyone is just trying to find a story that isn't there.
But its not quite as innocuous as that. Concussions and migraines have different implications about style of play post-treatment. Migraines are unlikely to keep you out for so long in one stretch, and then let you return fully and completely after that. They are more likely to be a recurrent, chronic but intermittent condition.
Otoh, while exercise and contact can trigger migraines, they also don't have to. If a player is being remarkably skittish, especially in relation to past play (when migraines were already part of medical history), chances are high it is PCS.
Thus, there are implications of how the player is perceived by fans. If it is migraines, and treated, and controlled enough that he can play, they are less likely to be forgiving of his reluctance to forecheck, lay hits etc. Especially when they see it is apparently not recurring enough for him to take time off.
Then there are the moral implications. We are in a time when people are trying to highlight the bad effects of lasting head trauma. And the Flyers say it is migraines, which is a family condition, which in turn means it is genetical and thus not directly related to head trauma.
Honestly, I blame fans who buy the company line more than the Flyers organization. - PT21
Yes, blame the fans who listen to what the organization says. Silly fans. Where did you get your medical degree from? How many degrees do you have. Are there any areas in existence that you don't have expertise in?
Believe it’s literally above torso and below. It’s not a lie. - ClaudeFather
Fair enough. You may be right.
I would find not clarifying the zillions of reports that he had a shoulder injury a little odd on the part of the Preds. I am sure there was a hand injury. I am not sure there wasn't another injury. Instead of shoulder, it could be clavicle (technically not shoulder).
I did not watch the presser. I watched some of it now. To me, he looked ill at ease, not thrilled to be here, and evasive about his medical replies.
Having said that, I admit I dont have anything more than a hunch.
Could the player prefer to say it was a concussion? Maybe by doing that it sends out the message that it is something he can recover from compared to a migraine issues that could plague his career?
Just playing devils advocate.
I still feel like everyone is just trying to find a story that isn't there. - J35Bacher
definately feels like some have moved on from complaining about Couts to what the GM said about an injury, and almost calling out the teams drs. Cant even make this stuff up its so crazy
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So protecting the lead is not a thing at the end of a game?
Right now I would take Couturier over Eichel. Couturier is a top level defensive center and scores 30 goals regularly. - mickel25
No. Couturier has scored 30 goals twice in ten seasons. No question we need him to win but over Jack Eichel, c’mon!
I’ll put it this way. I understand Jack Eichel hasn’t single handedly put Buffalo over the top but neither has Connor McDavid in Edmonton. If I had to choose a player to build my team around, my answer would obviously be McDavid. Eichel vs Couturier, hands down for me, it’s Eichel. Eichel is doing his job in Buffalo and he’d be the number one guy anywhere in the league. Couturier wouldn’t be.
Could the player prefer to say it was a concussion? Maybe by doing that it sends out the message that it is something he can recover from compared to a migraine issues that could plague his career?
Just playing devils advocate.
I still feel like everyone is just trying to find a story that isn't there. - J35Bacher
Really? Its seems the other way around to me.
There are very few players whose career have ended because of migraines. There are zillions whose careers have ended because of concussions.
Its not just a story that came from today. At least two of us have long said, fairly insistently, that the dots connect to a different picture.
Again. The only thing I read (from the above links) that the migraines were not due to concussion. They never denied he had concussions. They just say the migraines were diagnosed from the dr as not related.
Not saying yes or no to that. But I don’t think the Flyers were disingenuous. - peesinwind
Who should we believe? A poster on hockeybuzz who claims and fakes expertise in every area of existence. Or the team, who was in direct contact with the player and the doctors treating the player? Anything else is just unproven speculation.
