Heard on the radio that Philadelphia has drafted No.1 or No.2:

Carson Wentz
Micky Moniak
Nolan Patrick
Markelle Fultz.

All drafted within 14 months of each others.

Is he better than you preached AMac to be? Because if so you should really stop complaining about this trade.
- hereticpride

You keep bringing up MacDonald as if that has any relevance at all. If I want to complain about this trade, I will do so whether you like it or not. Try attempting to have an actual adult conversation.

His contract length and injury history is what I think made him available in the first place. If he wasn't injured and his contract didn't run til age 36 I think he would have cost a little more than Myers and nopa but I am a huge Ellis fan. I live in Nashville so I have watched him for years. Very solid player! I think chuck made a helluva move to make this happen
- Bob Habib

Nice, I travel to Nashville frequently for work and family (pre-covid). Nice place, amazing food and plenty of good nights on Broadway lol. Also I was surprised by the dedicated fan base not only when attending games but from interactions with locals away from the arena.

Yes, this point is strange how infrequently it is made.

Why didn't Montreal, with a glaring need for a RHD, offer more? Why didn't Florida, up-and-coming, take him on to partner with Ekblad instead of Stralman?
- PT21

Only on this site and in Nashville are Myers and Patrick valued more than Ellis.

Heard on the radio that Philadelphia has drafted No.1 or No.2:

Carson Wentz
Micky Moniak
Nolan Patrick
Markelle Fultz.

All drafted within 14 months of each others.
- Captain_Ahab

Wentz at least was having an MVP type season before he got injured. The Eagles ended up winning the Super Bowl that year. So it's not as disastrous as it seems. The others...... Yikes.

I would have protected Giroux, Hayes, Couturier, Laughton, Konency, Lindblom and Patrick at forward. Provorov, Sanheim and Myers on defense. Hart in net.

With this deal we’re protecting Aube-Kubel. Why? I couldn’t tell you. In fact we’re now protecting two players I wish we didn’t have to in Hayes and NAK.

I would have waited to see who Settle takes from us and hoped it’s one of JvR, Voracek or Ghost, who seem to be the most likely. After this, I would have addressed holes.

People around here talk as if Ryan Ellis is the only deal that had to be made. I don’t think Chuck has been that great of a GM since coming here. I had much higher expectations for Vigneault who also hasn’t found that second, third or fourth gear on this team yet. I would have gave Patrick and Myers another year to workout their issues.

It’s just the same old thing. The Flyers become impatient. Dump a young guy. Young guy moves on to have success elsewhere.
- SuperSchennBros

well really we needed a #1 RHD, how many of those are available? We got what we needed and traded our two worst players from last year.

I think the people that are upset by the trade wouldve just preferred to continue to develop a few more years, and not trade away our youth. But how many more years are we going to do it for? What if our pick this year is a bust? You happy with drafting and developing for another 4-5 years....im not, im sick of losing and want to try our best to make the playoffs

Heard on the radio that Philadelphia has drafted No.1 or No.2:

Carson Wentz
Micky Moniak
Nolan Patrick
Markelle Fultz.

All drafted within 14 months of each others.
- Captain_Ahab

Because Philly.

Much though I like you, I also speak my mind at the post without looking at poster (and don't hold it against anyone when they reciprocate), and your post above should be in the Flyersbuzz HOF for sheer, unadulterated stupidity.

Well done, sir.
- PT21

You some what remind me of Ken Dryden. Just not intelligent. You use a lot of big words and use antidotes that have no relation to the sport or to the arguments you convey. The Flyers have become irrelevant….and yes I think it’s up to the management team to be held responsible. You talk about blowing it up and having a rebuild ….which considering the current state of the team has to be the dumbest position I’ve read on here. I’ve listened and read your drivel for a while and although you seem like a nice fellow, you definitely have the smartest guy in the room syndrome….always trying to be intellectually superior. REAL intellects don’t have to tell every one how smart they are because it’s apparent….hint, hint…..now go and have yourself a nice Sunday and pick a fight elsewhere.

Gourde not protected, you would think someone would have traded for him. Seattle has to take him.

Only on this site and in Nashville are Myers and Patrick valued more than Ellis.
- Sinisalo4vr

We took salary off their hands as well. Guessing why a pick wasn’t included. Worked out for all parties. At first I wasn’t thrilled but like it the more I think about it.

Now hopefully ghost and 4.5 more open up.

A little surprised we didn’t protect our other 2 nd overall pick.

I am pleasantly surprised that Habs exposed Price. He was by far the most important component in their run. I am also pleasantly surprised they did not offer more for Ellis to fill in the Weber gap, since they got much closer to cup obviously.

They seem to have done the rarest of things. Been honest with themselves and recognize that they are further away than last season would suggest and that Price's contract, term and age means he is not part of the time when they are more realistic contenders.
- PT21

That's not why they exposed Price.

Bill Meltzer: Examining the Ellis Trade: Hockey Impact, Expansion Draft, Cap and More
- bmeltzer

There are quite a few similarities to this move and the kind of philosophy that brought Kimmo/Harts here after 06-07.

The Flyers roster at that time had one guy (Gagne) a genuine blue-chip talent (like Couturier), and everyone else mostly fell either in the old and/or fading camp (Rathje,Hatcher, and yes Knuble) or young/potential camp (Carter, Richards, Umberger, Upshall, Parent, Coburn etc.). That division was more stark then as we now have some in-between guys perhaps.

The former were too old to be part of a realistic contending core. The latter were, at best, not there yet. In other words, the club was really not on a contending track except if it somehow arrived there by wild gambling on FA/Trade.

In the years following, they gave away first round picks, moved themselves out of position for picking high in drafts that produced Hedman, Pietro, Stamkos, Tavares and many others. As often happens when you sign players in mid-career, they ended up with a bunch of non-cohesive stars.

They would have likely stayed in a realm of being playoff team but not SC contenders, largely inferior to the Pens in that time, if they hadn't managed to sign a HOF player in Pronger, had Leino flash in the pan, and had Halak knock out all unfavorable match-ups.

They attained the fools gold of a SCF appearance in '10 based on that. But odds prevailed, they did not make it to the cup, and after that it was time to clean house and we thought they had learned.

Much though I like you, I also speak my mind at the post without looking at poster (and don't hold it against anyone when they reciprocate), and your post above should be in the Flyersbuzz HOF for sheer, unadulterated stupidity.

Well done, sir.
- PT21

You just can't help yourself. Why the need to respond like that? I disagreed with a lot of what he said but that doesn't make it sheer, unadulterated stupidity. You act like he broke into your house and stole your cookie jar.

Everyone feared patrick was a single hit away from being retired. I’m not saying there’s no risk nor that Ellis is a star. But Patrick was far riskier (injury wise) and Myers was the true cost to land him. Honestly surprised we didn’t have to give more up
- arichardson22

For the price of Ellis we got a bargain. I understand Nashville had other players to protect so that may have lowered the cost to obtain him. Better to sell low then lose him for nothing

How about the GM in Vegas? Why did he trade for Patrick. Also by the way, Ellis is not better than Kimmo Timonen.
- MJL

debatebale, ellis is more physical, and we need that

For the 4poce of Ellis we got a bargain. I understand Nashville had other players to protect so that may have lowered the cost to obtain him. Better to sell low then lose him for nothing
- Bob Habib

Did you see Nashville's protection list? They didn't trade Ellis because they couldn't protect him. They protected Myers.

Did someone just say Landeskog was unprotected…

Lots of choices but who becomes the first Kraken captain?

You some what remind me of Ken Dryden. Just not intelligent. You use a lot of big words and use antidotes that have no relation to the sport or to the arguments you convey. The Flyers have become irrelevant….and yes I think it’s up to the management team to be held responsible. You talk about blowing it up and having a rebuild ….which considering the current state of the team has to be the dumbest position I’ve read on here. I’ve listened and read your drivel for a while and although you seem like a nice fellow, you definitely have the smartest guy in the room syndrome….always trying to be intellectually superior. REAL intellects don’t have to tell every one how smart they are because it’s apparent….hint, hint…..now go and have yourself a nice Sunday and pick a fight elsewhere.
- landros 2

At least I use them correctly.

I am not picking a fight, least of all with you. Its all part of the give and take of a frank exchange among men on a sports board. *smile*

I don't try to be intellectually superior at all. Why would I want to do that here, of all places, at my age? I do however, speak my mind, and am not particularly bothered by rebuttals that relate to persona rather than post.

What you wrote in the original post was flat out rubbish. A hockey team "owes" nothing to its players, even star players, for one. The rest of it was drivel as well.

I see you as an absolutely wonderful guy, a guy I would buy a few beers for in a night of shooting the breeze, but with no idea whatsoever of how to build an organization. There are worse flaws I suppose.

debatebale, ellis is more physical, and we need that
- bradster

Ellis is not more physical than Timonen was. Timonen was a force on the puck and a significantly better player than Ellis.

Ellis is not more physical than Timonen was. Timonen was a force on the puck and a significantly better player than Ellis.
- MJL

yes he is and no he isnt
but i know you are biased on flyers and over rate them, so i wont keep going on about it.

At least I use them correctly.

I am not picking a fight, least of all with you. Its all part of the give and take of a frank exchange among men on a sports board. *smile*

I don't try to be intellectually superior at all. Why would I want to do that here, of all places, at my age? I do however, speak my mind, and am not particularly bothered by rebuttals that relate to persona rather than post.

What you wrote in the original post was flat out rubbish. A hockey team "owes" nothing to its players, even star players, for one. The rest of it was drivel as well.

I see you as an absolutely wonderful guy, a guy I would buy a few beers for in a night of shooting the breeze, but with no idea whatsoever of how to build an organization. There are worse flaws I suppose.
- PT21

Right here, you are trying to be intellectually superior. You claim that he has no idea whatsoever of how to build an organization simply because he has an opposite viewpoint that you do. You just proved his point.

Did someone just say Landeskog was unprotected…

Lots of choices but who becomes the first Kraken captain?
- NC Flyers Fan

Jake

debatebale, ellis is more physical, and we need that
- bradster

To me, Ellis is much less physical. In his own end, he reminds me more of Desjardin than Kimmo (relying on stick work and positioning) than the lower body strength of Kimmo.

yes he is and no he isnt
but i know you are biased on flyers and over rate them, so i wont keep going on about it.
- bradster

You keep making empty replies and instead of debating any relevant fact, resort to nonsense like this. Ellis is not an overly physical player. Timonen was a regular finisher in the top 20 in Norris trophy voting. Including finishing 5th one year in his career. Ryan Ellis has never finished in the top 20 in Norris voting. Ellis finished in the top 25 in NHL all star voting once compared to Timonen finishing in the top 25 on 6 occasions.

Nice, I travel to Nashville frequently for work and family (pre-covid). Nice place, amazing food and plenty of good nights on Broadway lol. Also I was surprised by the dedicated fan base not only when attending games but from interactions with locals away from the arena.
- dubc55

I have never seen a fan base that is as active and energetic as this fen base! These people truly love this team! Most of us are implants here and a lot of us come from cities that had strong hockey backgrounds to them. I have been here since the inaugural season and the preds are my team in this division
Nashville is a cool little place. The scenery here is absolutely beautiful and Broadway is a lot of fun for the younger crows and/or country fans.
The food is no where near as good as philly had but I am a HUGE fan of real southern joints here! The comfort food is so damn good, isn't it? Plus this is a good place to raise your kids. I prefer living back in bucks county but I'd rather my kids grow up here
I've gotta say that It's been a lot of fun to be a part of a growing hockey community and these fans here are the best fans I've ever seen from any team!