Meh. He’s good, he’s fun, but he’s overrated. Let’s see how the Vesdaddy shakes out
- Rexypoo

Cal Foote, Valimaki, R.Thomas, Brannstrom,
Josh Norris?

Nick Suzuki?
- JetFuel

Fair enough, let me reframe that question.

Which valuable roster player did we give up to Vegas. We traded that first rounder to essentially protect Tobias Enstrom.

Fair enough, let me reframe that question.

Which valuable roster player did we give up to Vegas. We traded that first rounder to essentially protect Tobias Enstrom.
- TheUltimateJet

Traded Vegas a 3rd round pick as well, didn't lose anyone of value, lost a guy they should've gotten rid of years before.

Paul Maurice won’t play those guys against Ottawa and Vancouver in meaningless regular season games and you think he’s going to play them in the playoffs?

Paul loves his veterans and no way do Heinola and especially Samberg play this year at all.
- TheUltimateJet

Well, two injuries on D and you are looking at either Heinola or Samberg going in. Anything can happen as the intensity ramps up, blocking shots and who ever plays the Jets will be banging the heck out of the D and pressuring them.

Cal Foote, Valimaki, R.Thomas, Brannstrom,
Josh Norris?
- JetFuel

Unproven, unproven, unproven, I’d take him over Ves but it’s close, and Norris rules fair play

Well, two injuries on D and you are looking at either Heinola or Samberg going in. Anything can happen as the intensity ramps up, blocking shots and who ever plays the Jets will be banging the heck out of the D and pressuring them.
- Old Flopper

Heinola should be with Morrissey 20 games ago.

Which valuable player did we lose in the Vegas draft?

That was sort of my point, three years ago we were not a deep enough team to lose a valuable player. Now we are.

https://www.arcticicehock...the-lineup-maurice-doesnt

This makes me happy in the evil part of my brain

The Jets don’t have anything at risk of exposure worth spending a 1st rounder on. Stanley will maybe cost us a 3rd at most to keep on. They’ll either take a shot at an expiring UFA from us, or end up with Perrault. Seattle is analytics heavy, so Matty P is the obvious steal.
- Rexypoo

you are right that we should not add anything to seattle, let them take whoever they want. but this message on twitter about them being analytics heavy is being blown way out of proportion and like the Leafs adding Thornton, Simmonds, Bogo and other past their prime now analytic dead weights, Seattle will add a few as well.

Meh. He’s good, he’s fun, but he’s overrated. Let’s see how the Vesdaddy shakes out
- Rexypoo

over rated at 21? that's funny. i'll bet you whatever you want Suzuki has a better career than Vess

https://www.arcticicehock...the-lineup-maurice-doesnt

This makes me happy in the evil part of my brain
- Rexypoo

ive been saying this for years in here

ive been saying this for years in here
- Ross77

There is definitely a disconnect between how Chevy envisions the team and how Maurice plays it!

[quote=2.0]

Three years ago, our team made the conference finals. That team was plenty deep.

over rated at 21? that's funny. i'll bet you whatever you want Suzuki has a better career than Vess
- Ross77

Does age matter? Stutzle is currently overrated at 18. Means nothing for their potential or skillset, simply means they are viewed as more than they currently are

you are right that we should not add anything to seattle, let them take whoever they want. but this message on twitter about them being analytics heavy is being blown way out of proportion and like the Leafs adding Thornton, Simmonds, Bogo and other past their prime now analytic dead weights, Seattle will add a few as well.
- Ross77

Not really. Seattle is spending a frankly sarcastic amount of money on their analytics department, which was established before they hired a GM.

As for the Leafs, they took a gamble on Simmonds and Bogo. Simmonds has been meh, but Bogo has continued his Tampa Bay passable performance.
Thornton has never been bad analytically, so that’s a weird take.

Does age matter? Stutzle is currently overrated at 18. Means nothing for their potential or skillset, simply means they are viewed as more than they currently are
- Rexypoo

It does matter! Suzuki would have looked real nice on the third or fourth line as a winger. Because we all know that Maurice would never have given him a shot at second line center.

Three years ago, our team made the conference finals. That team was plenty deep.
- TheUltimateJet

remember who they lost to in that conference finals? Vegas. Hmmm...

ive been saying this for years in here
- Ross77

It makes a tantalizing story but the article itself is really reaching to read into and add to the narrative that is out there - the journalist is giving the readers what they want.

Sure Chevy would like to know exactly what he has - it makes his job easier. Maurice's job is to win games and part of that comes from knowing what he has and coming up with a plan. Of course Chevy will say he wants his young guys in the lineup and of course Maurice sets the lineup with the most certainty and predictability in it. Eventually the Jets will move on from both guys and we will find and pick at the vulnerabilities in their decisions too.

It makes a tantalizing story but the article itself is really reaching to read into and add to the narrative that is out there - the journalist is giving the readers what they want.

Sure Chevy would like to know exactly what he has - it makes his job easier. Maurice's job is to win games and part of that comes from knowing what he has and coming up with a plan. Of course Chevy will say he wants his young guys in the lineup and of course Maurice sets the lineup with the most certainty and predictability in it. Eventually the Jets will move on from both guys and we will find and pick at the vulnerabilities in their decisions too.
- 2.0

it was also reported that it was Chipman who extended and negotiated Maurice's extension. this would normally be done by the GM, our GM had nothing to do with it. what does that tell you?

It does matter! Suzuki would have looked real nice on the third or fourth line as a winger. Because we all know that Maurice would never have given him a shot at second line center.
- TheUltimateJet

That’s not what we’re debating here...

That’s not what we’re debating here...
- Rexypoo

It is exactly what we are debating, because Vesalainen is not even in the line-up!

remember who they lost to in that conference finals? Vegas. Hmmm...
- 2.0

And, they had 0 former Jets on their roster. We might have actually won, if they had taken Tobias Enstrom.

it was also reported that it was Chipman who extended and negotiated Maurice's extension. this would normally be done by the GM, our GM had nothing to do with it. what does that tell you?
- Ross77

Ross is spitting facts today!

It makes a tantalizing story but the article itself is really reaching to read into and add to the narrative that is out there - the journalist is giving the readers what they want.

Sure Chevy would like to know exactly what he has - it makes his job easier. Maurice's job is to win games and part of that comes from knowing what he has and coming up with a plan. Of course Chevy will say he wants his young guys in the lineup and of course Maurice sets the lineup with the most certainty and predictability in it. Eventually the Jets will move on from both guys and we will find and pick at the vulnerabilities in their decisions too.
- 2.0

I was thinking the same thing 2.0, author is making some pretty big assumptions.

And, they had 0 former Jets on their roster. We might have actually won, if they had taken Tobias Enstrom.
- TheUltimateJet

Toby didn't lose that series for us, we got beat by a team that was going on all cylinders and we had been through a meat grinder of a series against Nashville while they cruised through California.


The point is that the pre-Vegas Jets team had 8 skaters really worth protecting and Toby was on the edge and Chevy cut a deal to keep him. This time around its Wheeler, Scheifele, Ehlers, Connor, Copp, Morrissey, Pionk, Demelo, Stanley - any of which will be in demand for Seattle - not borderline guys due to age, contract status and play (toby was older, smaller and carried a larger contract).

Seattle will value the player made available more than a first round pick - as said before - they need to put players on the ice. 20+ of the roster players will be players currently on the 30 teams who need to protect players. Maybe the bottom third of depth teams can cut a deal with Seattle, doubtful that is the Jets this time.