Definitely not. It's the style of game that the Jets play where they are willing to give up shots from the outside. Toronto and Edmonton play the same style. Its also a bit of playing the long game where it requires somewhat less effort on the Jets part which leads to the great third periods. BTW...the Jets are outshot this season by an average of 2.2 shots per game so your severely exaggerating the supposed problem Ross.

I don't think its a coincidence that the three top teams in the Canadian division all play the same style of giving up more shots than they take. Toronto, Edmonton, and Jets have won 9, 7,and 6 games respectively where they were outshot this season. Conversely the Jets won 7 games where they outshot opponents. Not a big difference here. Somewhat statisitcally insignificant actually.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...ponent&page=0&pageSize=50
- jetsnation

I'm less concerned about getting outshot, it's the sloppy play and lack of offense being generated that concerns me.

Who is Jack Han and why should I care what he tweets ?

I agree. This team has all the pieces. It seems like every winning team somehow has that #1 D that really controls the play at both ends of the ice. Jets don't have a Hedman, if they did, they could start planning the parade. But I do think their forward depth is the best in the league, and the D core is solid. Helle has been nothing short of great again, and this is absolutely an easier road to the Stanley cup than their previous division. A team like Minnie will be trying their best to sell players and free up cap space. I could Dumba being a perfect pairing on the top unit with Jomo.

Morrissey Dumba
Forbort Pionk
Heinola/Stan Poolman/Demelo
- bikeguy99

When Pittsburgh won their first of back-to-back cups, they had Ron Hainsey, yes that Ron Hainsey playing as their number 1 d-man.

The Jets defense is far superior to the defensive cores that Pittsburgh put out during their back-to-back cups.

Neal Pionk was just quoted as saying " we can not continue to play like this and get out shot. it is not sustainable"
lol
I have to ask if anyone in here will now call Neal, "not a real fan"?
- Ross77

Some people on here might be calling him “negative”.

When Pittsburgh won their first of back-to-back cups, they had Ron Hainsey, yes that Ron Hainsey playing as their number 1 d-man.

The Jets defense is far superior to the defensive cores that Pittsburgh put out during their back-to-back cups.
- TheUltimateJet

Great point

We are not a fanbase that is comfortable being the top dog, sometimes maybe with the bombers (thinking about swaggerville and with the 80's/90's team). We seem more comfortable having the plucky, hard working lunch pail crew that wins games they are not supposed to and over-achieves once in a while. The 13-6-1 record doesn't excite anyone because our favourite player didn't get enough ice time. Or its all on the goalie because we were outshot. Everyone wants success on their own terms - league standings be damned.

There was more excitement about the Jets when they were predicted to fail in 2017/18 and did very well. Many would rather see a young player who might excel rather than an established player who is getting the job done. We fans are so pathetic - can we trade a bucket full of haters for fans that are more comfortable winning games?
- 2.0

I know. It gets tiring, doesn't it ?

Niku is our best passing d-man, hopefully his play improves in our end so he becomes an everyday player.

I knew we were in trouble in this game as soon as Sara Orlesky starting talking about the grind.

That was likely the ugliest game all year by the Jets.

I think the Jets if they are to make any moves, they should do the following two:

To CBJ: CBJ 2022 3rd round pick, 2023 7th round pick

To WPG: David Savard

And

To BUF: Jansen Harkins, 2022 7th round pick

To WPG: Taylor Hall

Jets could load up for the playoffs and just win by virtually out scoring their opponents.

Lines would look like:

Connor-Scheifele-Appleton
Copp-Dubois-Ehlers
Hall-Stastny-Wheeler
Perrault-Lowry-Veselainen/Lewis

Morrissey-Savard
Forbort-Pionk
Stanley/Heinola/Poolman/Niku/Demelo {Any combination of the five, as long as Beaulieau is not one of the options }


Now imagine that! Awww Yea, then it would truly be Ultimate time!!!!!

I think the Jets if they are to make any moves, they should do the following two:

To CBJ: CBJ 2022 3rd round pick, 2023 7th round pick

To WPG: David Savard

And

To BUF: Jansen Harkins, 2022 7th round pick

To WPG: Taylor Hall

Jets could load up for the playoffs and just win by virtually out scoring their opponents.

Lines would look like:

Connor-Scheifele-Appleton
Copp-Dubois-Ehlers
Hall-Stastny-Wheeler
Perrault-Lowry-Veselainen/Lewis

Morrissey-Savard
Forbort-Pionk
Stanley/Heinola/Poolman/Niku/Demelo {Any combination of the five, as long as Beaulieau is not one of the options }


Now imagine that! Awww Yea, then it would truly be Ultimate time!!!!!
- TheUltimateJet

both players would be traded for more,

Hall will get a back a first and B prospect like when we traded Ladd for Dano and a first. or a top prospect like the Stone for Brannstrom deal.

Savard might go for a prospect like Chisholm or Harkins and a mid round pick.

both players would be traded for more,

Hall will get a back a first and B prospect like when we traded Ladd for Dano and a first. or a top prospect like the Stone for Brannstrom deal.

Savard might go for a prospect like Chisholm or Harkins and a mid round pick.
- Ross77

In my opinion, I do not think the price will be as high due to the flat cap coming in and with both being UFA’s at seasons end.

I think the Jets if they are to make any moves, they should do the following two:

To CBJ: CBJ 2022 3rd round pick, 2023 7th round pick

To WPG: David Savard

And

To BUF: Jansen Harkins, 2022 7th round pick

To WPG: Taylor Hall

Jets could load up for the playoffs and just win by virtually out scoring their opponents.

Lines would look like:

Connor-Scheifele-Appleton
Copp-Dubois-Ehlers
Hall-Stastny-Wheeler
Perrault-Lowry-Veselainen/Lewis

Morrissey-Savard
Forbort-Pionk
Stanley/Heinola/Poolman/Niku/Demelo {Any combination of the five, as long as Beaulieau is not one of the options }


Now imagine that! Awww Yea, then it would truly be Ultimate time!!!!!
- TheUltimateJet

Like the idea of trading for David Savard, who I believe is a buddy pf PLD's, not that that is a major point.

But still Savard is kind of what the Jets need - a steady top four defensive d-man with loads of experience and a guy who will clear the front of the net.

As well, he is UFA so with the Expansion Draft looming, we would not have to protect him, but a guy who might return and re-sign with the Jets.

But not sure you get him for what you offer despite the fact he is a pending UFA. I would think you would have to give up a Niku and a 2nd (at least). (Think the Jets are showcasing Sammy). Jets might have to add a 2nd prospect?

But back to my first comment, Savard is currently first on my list for wants. Taylor Hall will be far more expensive (despite his lack of success) and he is not something the Jets really need. (although you couldn't tell by it the last two games).

I think the Jets if they are to make any moves, they should do the following two:

To CBJ: CBJ 2022 3rd round pick, 2023 7th round pick

To WPG: David Savard

And

To BUF: Jansen Harkins, 2022 7th round pick

To WPG: Taylor Hall

Jets could load up for the playoffs and just win by virtually out scoring their opponents.

Lines would look like:

Connor-Scheifele-Appleton
Copp-Dubois-Ehlers
Hall-Stastny-Wheeler
Perrault-Lowry-Veselainen/Lewis

Morrissey-Savard
Forbort-Pionk
Stanley/Heinola/Poolman/Niku/Demelo {Any combination of the five, as long as Beaulieau is not one of the options }


Now imagine that! Awww Yea, then it would truly be Ultimate time!!!!!
- TheUltimateJet

Savard would be a fine consolation, and at that price, seems reasonable. But I would much prefer to have a high end guy like Dumba. Jomo needs an offensive partner. He is currently the Jets #1D, and has 9 points. I agree Beaulieu needs to be removed from this lineup, but Savard would only be a small improvement offensively. Dumba is a 20G D in this league, has term, and Guerin has gone on record saying he wants trade good players to "shake things up". They don't have much flexibility with their cap situation and need to shed a D to free some up.

As for Hall. Like I said when he signed that deal, he will be traded to Colorado for a 1st. There were plenty of rumors linking him to Col, but he wanted too much term. Buffalo simply allowed him to get paid now, while offering the trade at the deadline to a team of his choice with cap retention. Smart move from Buffalo that will land them a 1st.

Savard would be a fine consolation, and at that price, seems reasonable. But I would much prefer to have a high end guy like Dumba. Jomo needs an offensive partner. He is currently the Jets #1D, and has 9 points. I agree Beaulieu needs to be removed from this lineup, but Savard would only be a small improvement offensively. Dumba is a 20G D in this league, has term, and Guerin has gone on record saying he wants trade good players to "shake things up". They don't have much flexibility with their cap situation and need to shed a D to free some up.

As for Hall. Like I said when he signed that deal, he will be traded to Colorado for a 1st. There were plenty of rumors linking him to Col, but he wanted too much term. Buffalo simply allowed him to get paid now, while offering the trade at the deadline to a team of his choice with cap retention. Smart move from Buffalo that will land them a 1st.
- bikeguy99

Oh I agree that Dumba would be a great addition to the Jets. Problem being basically is he HAS term.

In any other year except Expansion year, this would probably be a good move.

However with term, and him being a pretty decent d-man (RH too), he is going to cost and arm and a leg to trade for.

Then comes expansion draft, and we can only protect 3 d-men. So Pionk. Morrissey and then? Do you protect Dumba (with only 2 years left till UFA), or a very promising youngster like Stanley, or a solid 3rd pairing guy in DeMelo?

If you don't protect Dumba it means giving away a ransom for one partial season. I would rather trade less for a pending UFA like Savard (solid d-man), the reason being less cost to get him. But I certainly see your point.

Oh I agree that Dumba would be a great addition to the Jets. Problem being basically is he HAS term.

In any other year except Expansion year, this would probably be a good move.

However with term, and him being a pretty decent d-man (RH too), he is going to cost and arm and a leg to trade for.

Then comes expansion draft, and we can only protect 3 d-men. So Pionk. Morrissey and then? Do you protect Dumba (with only 2 years left till UFA), or a very promising youngster like Stanley, or a solid 3rd pairing guy in DeMelo?

If you don't protect Dumba it means giving away a ransom for one partial season. I would rather trade less for a pending UFA like Savard (solid d-man), the reason being less cost to get him. But I certainly see your point.
- grahamzky

For sure. Of course it would be great to add Dumba, but at what cost? I think the trade market took a massive hit, and values of players have never been lower. Erik Gustafsson and Tyson Barrie took massive pay cuts, and even guys like Schmidt were traded for peanuts. So only in that realm would I consider Dumba being a trade worth considering. I was thinking something along the lines of:

Dumba for Niku and a 2nd (becomes 1st if Jets make the finals)

Minnie is desperate for cap space, and Dumba's 6M through this and the next 2 seasons beyond (his prime years 26-28) is no bargain given what the current UFA market is, and what teams are willing to take on a 6M contract. Who knows, but I can't confidently say that a guy like Savard is any better than Poolman, or Heinola playing the off-wing. Savard gets to play with some elite partners, and his numbers are mediocre at best. Dumba plays on a heavily defensive team, and seems to put up very respectable numbers while playing a good defensive game.

For sure. Of course it would be great to add Dumba, but at what cost? I think the trade market took a massive hit, and values of players have never been lower. Erik Gustafsson and Tyson Barrie took massive pay cuts, and even guys like Schmidt were traded for peanuts. So only in that realm would I consider Dumba being a trade worth considering. I was thinking something along the lines of:

Dumba for Niku and a 2nd (becomes 1st if Jets make the finals)

Minnie is desperate for cap space, and Dumba's 6M through this and the next 2 seasons beyond (his prime years 26-28) is no bargain given what the current UFA market is, and what teams are willing to take on a 6M contract. Who knows, but I can't confidently say that a guy like Savard is any better than Poolman, or Heinola playing the off-wing. Savard gets to play with some elite partners, and his numbers are mediocre at best. Dumba plays on a heavily defensive team, and seems to put up very respectable numbers while playing a good defensive game.
- bikeguy99

I'd be down with a Dumba for Niku and a 2nd trade.

Might have to be some salary cap shuffled around in the deal.