With the state of the Pens D, O'le Jimmy boy might of tried to get DeAngelo....we will never know...
- MattStrat

An ADA signing had JR written all over it haha

An ADA signing had JR written all over it haha
- 10inchTerror

"I know the reason he was waived"

"I know the reason he was waived"
- YouMeAndDupuis9

hahaha

hahaha its insanity. Insanity, I tell you. What a D corps for game #10.
- MattStrat

Penguins. Every f'n year.

So the question...Is DeAngelo really "toxic" or you just dont agree with his political beliefs so you dont want him?
Phil Kessel was supposed to be toxic as well. I honestly don't know what happened in NY regarding DeAngelo... But I tried to read about him and most articles I found ripped him for being a Trump supporter (completely irrelevant in terms of whether or not he could play) and it seems the popular opinion is that he was/is a bad teammate. Interestingly, I also came across a few articles/blogs saying that his teammates loved him. So which is it? If he attacked Giorgiev then yes, he is more trouble that he is worth. So what prompted that confrontation? But if his "main" issue is that he supported Donald Trump, people need to get over it and evaluate his hockey ability on merit, not on political correctness. I hear he is immensely talented, but prone to mental lapses, key turnovers, and bad penalties.... that sounds strikingly familiar doesnt it?
- Amanion

You're really dead set on defending a guy that got put on waivers despite his talents because he got into a fist fight after antagonizing his goalie for a bad game and has a history of suspensions due to using slurs. Maybe you're the one who should get over it and stop defending a guy just because he agrees with you politically and realize sometimes a guy really is just a scuz bucket and there's no other slant to it.

"I know the reason he was waived"
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Well played sir

Their D has got to be one of the best in the league. Obviously they have Carey price. That’s a lethal combo kind of like the bruins used to be. Now with toffoli and Anderson lighting the lamp, Suzuki killing it at C they are a good team.
- 10inchTerror

The Habs remind me of the Flyers of last year. Not a lot of big names in their prime, but incredibly deep and lots of young guys that might turn out to be really good.

For what its worth regarding the puck incident that was flying around twitter last night the team came out and said that ADA gave the puck to the trainers immediately and they were framing it for K'Andre.
- lonnyBohonos

Stealing the first goal puck of a teammate and refusing to give it back did seem over the top Bond Villain level cartoony.

Ray Shero is available.

Stay away from Fritzy. He's ours. Our cheap owners just didn't want to pay him until his current contract ran out.
- Queenie_5_hole

Question: why do Devils fans like Fitzgerald?

You're really dead set on defending a guy that got put on waivers despite his talents because he got into a fist fight after antagonizing his goalie for a bad game and has a history of suspensions due to using slurs. Maybe you're the one who should get over it and stop defending a guy just because he agrees with you politically and realize sometimes a guy really is just a scuz bucket and there's no other slant to it.
- Victoro311

Bingo

EDIT: Also, Brendan Lemiuex is a Trump guy and made it known he's a Trump guy, but he scaled back the stupid Twitter crap. He's been resigned despite them knowing his political alignments. So this cancel culture crap is bullpoop. Tony D is just a problem human.

Question: why do Devils fans like Fitzgerald?
- Victoro311

They don't have much, so they cling to anything they can lol

Question: why do Devils fans like Fitzgerald?
- Victoro311

He's been with the organization a few years in different capacities and before he was the GM people felt he had helped out. He had stepped behind the bench before we fired Hynes to evaluate what was going on for example.

Then when he became GM, there was general confidence in his abilities and some comfort in that he was a Ray Shero disciple. Devils fans generally really liked Shero's trades. The drafting was debatable and he made some errors in regard to depth and our backup goalie. BUT overall no fans were looking to get rid of him. Ownership decided to.

THEN Fritzy takes over and trades away some fan favorite players in Blake Coleman and Andy Greene. To a lesser extent an injured Sami Vatenen. Generally speaking everyone was thrilled with the returns on those players. It hurt to see them go but Fritzy explained what he liked about the return package and it was hard not to agree. He doesn't say much but seems to have a plan on the complete rebuild. And while nobody was overly excited about hiring Ruff, it's been great to see how the team is playing. The prospects are finally gaining traction and we feel like there is a foundation for future success.

Even at the draft he had really good reasons for why he took the prospects he took. He took Holtz because he thought he was the best winger to play with Hughes. He took Mercer to address our winger weakness further. He was looking for finishers.

Its pretty funny that if Fitzy had his way on the Kessel trade, as in the Pens didnt get The Phil, the Pens wouldn't of won those back to back cups...

As far as Tony DeAngelo, the Rangers aren't a church group. If they've had enough of him and whatever he's doing then I'd think it's a substantial concern. So, once you have a guy in trouble with multiple organizations you can either think it's a conspiracy or he's a problem. He's a problem.

The reason why nobody picked him up is he isn't good enough to throw the balance of his $ 4.5M down the toilet on a year when every dollar spent is a probably a dollar lost. And his defense is stank-a-rific. He thrived in Lindy Ruff's wide open defensive scheme but Lindy is in Devilville and Tony DeAngelo is ineffective.

He's been with the organization a few years in different capacities and before he was the GM people felt he had helped out. He had stepped behind the bench before we fired Hynes to evaluate what was going on for example.

Then when he became GM, there was general confidence in his abilities and some comfort in that he was a Ray Shero disciple. Devils fans generally really liked Shero's trades. The drafting was debatable and he made some errors in regard to depth and our backup goalie. BUT overall no fans were looking to get rid of him. Ownership decided to.

THEN Fritzy takes over and trades away some fan favorite players in Blake Coleman and Andy Greene. To a lesser extent an injured Sami Vatenen. Generally speaking everyone was thrilled with the returns on those players. It hurt to see them go but Fritzy explained what he liked about the return package and it was hard not to agree. He doesn't say much but seems to have a plan on the complete rebuild. And while nobody was overly excited about hiring Ruff, it's been great to see how the team is playing. The prospects are finally gaining traction and we feel like there is a foundation for future success.

Even at the draft he had really good reasons for why he took the prospects he took. He took Holtz because he thought he was the best winger to play with Hughes. He took Mercer to address our winger weakness further. He was looking for finishers.
- Queenie_5_hole

Ok that all tracks. I think in hind sight it’s tough to argue Shero was anything more than average/mediocre. He could knock trades out of the park but absolutely stunk at the moves around the edges and never could get the depth right. He now has lived and died by two bad coaches in Bylsma and Hynes which is a pretty big indictment. His drafting in Pittsburgh was a mixed bag of never getting the high picks right but was pretty gold at finding value in the middle rounds. Sounds like the same might be said for his tenure with the Devils.

Which is why I asked you about Fitzgerald. He was Shero’s top lieutenant here and went back to Shero after essentially quitting when he was overridden by Rutherford on the Kessel v. Oshie debate (which he was clearly in the wrong on). The prospect of someone who learned all his tricks from Shero and left here because he was against our next GM’s best move doesn’t really excite me from a potential stand point. Feels like a high floor/low ceiling type of hire. Sounds like he’s doing ok so far for the Devils though.

Ok that all tracks. I think in hind sight it’s tough to argue Shero was anything more than average/mediocre. He could knock trades out of the park but absolutely stunk at the moves around the edges and never could get the depth right. He now has lived and died by two bad coaches in Bylsma and Hynes which is a pretty big indictment. His drafting in Pittsburgh was a mixed bag of never getting the high picks right but was pretty gold at finding value in the middle rounds. Sounds like the same might be said for his tenure with the Devils.

Which is why I asked you about Fitzgerald. He was Shero’s top lieutenant here and went back to Shero after essentially quitting when he was overridden by Rutherford on the Kessel v. Oshie debate (which he was clearly in the wrong on). The prospect of someone who learned all his tricks from Shero and left here because he was against our next GM’s best move doesn’t really excite me from a potential stand point. Feels like a high floor/low ceiling type of hire. Sounds like he’s doing ok so far for the Devils though.
- Victoro311

Can't argue with any of that; and obviously he's only been GM for a short time for the Devils. So it's particularly hard to evaluate Fritzy. It SEEMS to be going well but who knows.

Good Luck in finding the next GM (even if it ends up being ours).

Maybe it's flawed logic on my part, but I don't want a GM who's familiar with the inner-workings of Pens ownership. I want a fresh perspective. I don't want someone who's just going to fall in line with business as usual. I think this team needs a shake-up and someone who's not afraid to rattle some cages.

Nothing really. Fringe player being replaced by another fringe player. Probably wanted more speed.
- Tojo.

Thanks, I thought I may have missed as injury.

Can't argue with any of that; and obviously he's only been GM for a short time for the Devils. So it's particularly hard to evaluate Fritzy. It SEEMS to be going well but who knows.

Good Luck in finding the next GM (even if it ends up being ours).
- Queenie_5_hole

Thanks. I'd really like a high upside candidate this time around. This search's version of what Julien BriseBois was in 2014. Out of the established guys, I'd really only be excited by Hextall.

How come everyone wants to trade Pettersson?
Has Dumo really been that much better since Pettersson came in... Keep in mind Pettersson is 5 years younger. I guess one reason might be perceived value on Dumo vs Pettersson, Dumo might be underrated.

(and this might be me having a Swede-bias )

How come everyone wants to trade Pettersson?
Has Dumo really been that much better since Pettersson came in... Keep in mind Pettersson is 5 years younger. I guess one reason might be perceived value on Dumo vs Pettersson, Dumo might be underrated.
- andreaskarlsson

Personally, I don't want to trade Pettersson. He's a legit second pairing guy being paid pretty fairly. But no, he's not been better than Brian Dumoulin, or at least isn't a known commodity as one half of one of the NHL's best defensive pairings over the past five or so years, statistically speaking. DumTang has not been good this year, and neither player has been good individually either, but the sample of them being bad is way too small compared to years of consistent greatness for it to be logical to consider breaking that up any time soon.

And while I don't want to trade second pairing caliber guys being paid appropriately, as they don't grow on trees and every team is seemingly always one more middle pairing guy away from fixing their blue line, the fact of the matter is if P.O. Joseph is who we think he is, we have 3 LDs that can play in the top 4. That's a great luxury that I'm hard pressed to give up, but it is still a luxury at the end of the day and this team needs another top 9 forward. Preferably, even, a legit top 6 scoring RW to help fix the PP. If P.O. Joseph pans out, and Pettersson can bring that back, you have to make the trade.

How come everyone wants to trade Pettersson?
Has Dumo really been that much better since Pettersson came in... Keep in mind Pettersson is 5 years younger. I guess one reason might be perceived value on Dumo vs Pettersson, Dumo might be underrated.

(and this might be me having a Swede-bias )
- andreaskarlsson

Nobody wants to trade either of them. The Matheson trade is causing this issue, so let's clear that up and unfortunately attempting to move him will prove near impossible.

That said, Dumo is a the better of the two. Both are fairly similar in their styles of play and it's not to say Pettersson won't be as good as him.

How come everyone wants to trade Pettersson?
Has Dumo really been that much better since Pettersson came in... Keep in mind Pettersson is 5 years younger. I guess one reason might be perceived value on Dumo vs Pettersson, Dumo might be underrated.

(and this might be me having a Swede-bias )
- andreaskarlsson

For me personally, I’d go with whichever player gives you the better return. I like Dumo, and think he’s the better player right now, but as you’ve pointed out he is older and I believe Pettersson isn’t that much worse.

In an ideal world we dump MM off on anyone who would take him and roll with Dumo, Petts, and POJ, but that isn’t going to happen. I really think you have to weigh your options, and since POJ has been en fuego I feel like there’s no way you can take him out of the lineup. The other option is playing someone on their offhand but I’m not sure if any of the four would excel at this.

All that being said, with the injury bug biting the Pens in the ass and refusing to let go, and the situation with Jimmy stepping down, I don’t see anyone being traded anytime soon unless it’s for some defensive help.

NJD going through COVID protocol. Game tomorrow is going to be postponed.

Edged out my HSBL last week by two points lol. I don't love my current lineup, but whatever...

LW: Kaprisov, Pac, Perron, Marchand
C: Toffoli, Horvat, Eichel, Suzuki
RW: Stone, Boeser, Svech, Garland
D: Makar, Hughes, Dalin, Hamilton, Jose, Graves
G: Hart, Grubauer