Agree, there is no way that I would give up two 2nd rd picks for Devon Toews. He is not any all-star or anything.

Like you say, we have some kids coming, kids who may soon be just as every bit as good as Toews. Not saying Toews is terrible or anything, he certainly played decent late last season, but with Sandberg and Heinola arriving soon, we hope, we don't need Toews - at least for that price.

Really, I wonder, will there even be an NHL season, with Covid running rampant? All arenas here in Manitoba shut down until at least Dec. 11 I believe. What do you people think?
- grahamzky

In my opinion the Jets have been horrible drafting after the 1st round. Check the roster and please tell me how many Jets second round picks are currently playing on the roster.

Agree, there is no way that I would give up two 2nd rd picks for Devon Toews. He is not any all-star or anything.

Like you say, we have some kids coming, kids who may soon be just as every bit as good as Toews. Not saying Toews is terrible or anything, he certainly played decent late last season, but with Sandberg and Heinola arriving soon, we hope, we don't need Toews - at least for that price.

Really, I wonder, will there even be an NHL season, with Covid running rampant? All arenas here in Manitoba shut down until at least Dec. 11 I believe. What do you people think?
- grahamzky

You're never getting an all-star dman or a top 4 dman for less then two 2nd round picks!.. Lol
The Avs did well in that trade and with that contract they signed him to, D.Toews is really damn good!

Heinola is tiny and Samberg is overrated, both are rookies playing for a coach that typically prefers veterans meanwhile Wheeler is 34, another year of Schiefeles good value contract burns away and Laine's current bridge deal ends, there's always next year in Winnipeg I guess.

The Jets have two top 4 dmen, if either of Morrissey or Pionk get injured for an extended length of time the Jets are f*cked!!

Chevy should've made that trade imo, I think it's funny it's even being debated, if Chevy would've made that trade and signing I bet there'd barely be a single Jets fan that'd criticize it or think it was an overpay.

People tend to assume that when a trade is made that all the other teams were called first.

People tend to assume that when a trade is made that all the other teams were called first.
- bennythehat

Yeah I guess it's asking too much for Chevy to pick up the phone and call one of his fellow GM's especially one who's in a major cap crunch, wouldn't want to cut into his Dayoff time!

People tend to assume that when a trade is made that all the other teams were called first.
- bennythehat

They must call them alphabetically that must be the reason Winnipeg is never in on a trade, a GM gets what he wants before they get to us.

In my opinion the Jets have been horrible drafting after the 1st round. Check the roster and please tell me how many Jets second round picks are currently playing on the roster.
- TheUltimateJet

What is zero Alex?

I'll give Chevy a pass for not having 4 dman under long term contracts when you can only protect 3 in the expansion draft.

Not to mention there are too many unknowns about the upcoming season. Better to wait it out and if the Jets are playoff contenders they can pick up some defensive help at the deadline.

They must call them alphabetically that must be the reason Winnipeg is never in on a trade, a GM gets what he wants before they get to us.
- BWJumper

That's how I do my weekly grocery shopping and why Zellers is no longer around.

You're never getting an all-star dman or a top 4 dman for less then two 2nd round picks!.. Lol
The Avs did well in that trade and with that contract they signed him to, D.Toews is really damn good!

Heinola is tiny and Samberg is overrated, both are rookies playing for a coach that typically prefers veterans meanwhile Wheeler is 34, another year of Schiefeles good value contract burns away and Laine's current bridge deal ends, there's always next year in Winnipeg I guess.

The Jets have two top 4 dmen, if either of Morrissey or Pionk get injured for an extended length of time the Jets are f*cked!!

Chevy should've made that trade imo, I think it's funny it's even being debated, if Chevy would've made that trade and signing I bet there'd barely be a single Jets fan that'd criticize it or think it was an overpay.
- JetFuel

Heinola is 5’11” 180. Which will put him in the same ballpark as Morrissey, DeMelo, and Pionk.
Size is a non-factor in today’s NHL. Skill and intelligence are the big factors, and Heinola has both.

Also, why the Samberg slander? 80% of the fan base has never even seen him play

I'll give Chevy a pass for not having 4 dman under long term contracts when you can only protect 3 in the expansion draft.

Not to mention there are too many unknowns about the upcoming season. Better to wait it out and if the Jets are playoff contenders they can pick up some defensive help at the deadline.
- BWJumper

Thank god for that. I’d obviously still prefer to have Buff here, and Toby on probably another successive 1 year deal in the alternate reality, but Buff dragging his feet saved us from Myers, Chairot, and Tanev’s deals

Heinola is 5’11” 180. Which will put him in the same ballpark as Morrissey, DeMelo, and Pionk.
Size is a non-factor in today’s NHL. Skill and intelligence are the big factors, and Heinola has both.

Also, why the Samberg slander? 80% of the fan base has never even seen him play
- Rexypoo

100% of the fan base has never seen him play a professional game. Devon Toews didn't even make it to the NHL until he was almost 25. Gotta cut Samberg and Heinola some slack !

In my opinion the Jets have been horrible drafting after the 1st round. Check the roster and please tell me how many Jets second round picks are currently playing on the roster.
- TheUltimateJet

Appleton, Harkins, Hellebuyck, Copp, Lowry, Poolman maybe Niku, Samberg and Gustafsson - maybe not all 2nd rounders but all drafted after the first round - or about 33% of their roster. Not that shabby! Also you have Pionk, Thompson and DeMelo drafted by other teams. No idea when they were picked?

Just because your second rounders haven't yet panned out to be stars (some picks were traded away I believe) doesn't mean they are never going to.

If you don't have that pick, you have zero chance of finding that hidden gem. Also a valuable chip if you need, due to injuries, to trade for the needed deadline player.

You're never getting an all-star dman or a top 4 dman for less then two 2nd round picks!.. Lol
The Avs did well in that trade and with that contract they signed him to, D.Toews is really damn good!

Heinola is tiny and Samberg is overrated, both are rookies playing for a coach that typically prefers veterans meanwhile Wheeler is 34, another year of Schiefeles good value contract burns away and Laine's current bridge deal ends, there's always next year in Winnipeg I guess.

The Jets have two top 4 dmen, if either of Morrissey or Pionk get injured for an extended length of time the Jets are f*cked!!

Chevy should've made that trade imo, I think it's funny it's even being debated, if Chevy would've made that trade and signing I bet there'd barely be a single Jets fan that'd criticize it or think it was an overpay.
- JetFuel

That's the thing, you're never going to get an all-star d-man for two 2nd round picks. So why would any team ever make the trade for a lesser player?

The Jets would never ever be Cup contenders with a d-corps of Morrisssey, Pionk, DeMelo, Forbort, Poolman, Beaulieu, and Toews.

At least Samberg and Heinola give us hope without mortgaging the future for middle of the road players.

My feeling is that the Jets are one stud d-man away from being a legit contender, but that stud d-man ain't Toews. So glad they weren't foolish and traded TWO 2nd rounders.

Now we still have the two 2nd's should some cap-hell team come calling. Or who knows what else may develop in this Covid season?

The bottom line is you trade two 2nd's for Toews. I don't!

Appleton, Harkins, Hellebuyck, Copp, Lowry, Poolman maybe Niku, Samberg and Gustafsson - maybe not all 2nd rounders but all drafted after the first round - or about 33% of their roster. Not that shabby! Also you have Pionk, Thompson and DeMelo drafted by other teams. No idea when they were picked?

Just because your second rounders haven't yet panned out to be stars (some picks were traded away I believe) doesn't mean they are never going to.

If you don't have that pick, you have zero chance of finding that hidden gem. Also a valuable chip if you need, due to injuries, to trade for the needed deadline player.
- grahamzky

Pionk was undrafted, Thompson and DeMelo are 6th rounders

That's the thing, you're never going to get an all-star d-man for two 2nd round picks. So why would any team ever make the trade for a lesser player?

The Jets would never ever be Cup contenders with a d-corps of Morrisssey, Pionk, DeMelo, Forbort, Poolman, Beaulieu, and Toews.

At least Samberg and Heinola give us hope without mortgaging the future for middle of the road players.

My feeling is that the Jets are one stud d-man away from being a legit contender, but that stud d-man ain't Toews. So glad they weren't foolish and traded TWO 2nd rounders.

Now we still have the two 2nd's should some cap-hell team come calling. Or who knows what else may develop in this Covid season?

The bottom line is you trade two 2nd's for Toews. I don't!
- grahamzky

Absofu*kinglutely hilarious that trading two 2nd round picks for an RFA top 4 dman is considered mortgaging the future but no one says boo about the nearly entire round of draft picks that have been spent for one and a quarter seasons of Stastny, guess that wasn't mortgaging the future!... 😂

The Islanders are a cap hell team, Chevy should of called but was taking a Dayoff I guess!

The Avs are rounding in to being a perennial contender and they felt it was worth the picks, guess Chevy is wiser then Sakic, who knew!

Heinola is 5’11” 180. Which will put him in the same ballpark as Morrissey, DeMelo, and Pionk.
Size is a non-factor in today’s NHL. Skill and intelligence are the big factors, and Heinola has both.

Also, why the Samberg slander? 80% of the fan base has never even seen him play
- Rexypoo

Yeah and he's smaller then those three, they have too many small dmen as it is!

I'm not one of those 80% and he doesn't impress me, I'm surprised you're so high on Samberg, he really doesn't seem like the kind of dman that'd appeal to the fancy stat crowd.

Appleton, Harkins, Hellebuyck, Copp, Lowry, Poolman maybe Niku, Samberg and Gustafsson - maybe not all 2nd rounders but all drafted after the first round - or about 33% of their roster. Not that shabby! Also you have Pionk, Thompson and DeMelo drafted by other teams. No idea when they were picked?

Just because your second rounders haven't yet panned out to be stars (some picks were traded away I believe) doesn't mean they are never going to.

If you don't have that pick, you have zero chance of finding that hidden gem. Also a valuable chip if you need, due to injuries, to trade for the needed deadline player.
- grahamzky

I wouldn't be giving credit to Chevy for drafting a bunch of players that can easily be replaced with what's currently still on the UFA list. (Helleybuyck the exception, probably Copp also)

Yeah and he's smaller then those three, they have too many small dmen as it is!

I'm not one of those 80% and he doesn't impress me, I'm surprised you're so high on Samberg, he really doesn't seem like the kind of dman that'd appeal to the fancy stat crowd.
- JetFuel

Samberg as a 4 or 5 dman seems reasonable to me. Maybe he becomes a steady presence like the way Chiarot has been used when paired with Buff and now Weber.

Side note I liked what I saw from Kovacevic last year, should be able to make the team as a bottom pairing guy for the Jets in a year.

Yeah and he's smaller then those three, they have too many small dmen as it is!

I'm not one of those 80% and he doesn't impress me, I'm surprised you're so high on Samberg, he really doesn't seem like the kind of dman that'd appeal to the fancy stat crowd.
- JetFuel

Meh. Size isn’t super important. Ability is. We’ve had a parade of big and terrible defencemen on this team, so clearly that philosophy doesn’t work.
Just look at Colorado. Ditched Zadorov, and I’d bet my basement lair that Johnson is the next guy moved off that blueline.

As for Samberg, the nerd math isn’t super important just yet so much as the being utterly overpowered for college hockey

I wouldn't be giving credit to Chevy for drafting a bunch of players that can easily be replaced with what's currently still on the UFA list. (Helleybuyck the exception, probably Copp also)
- BWJumper

You underestimate Samberg and Gustafsson.

Samberg as a 4 or 5 dman seems reasonable to me. Maybe he becomes a steady presence like the way Chiarot has been used when paired with Buff and now Weber.

Side note I liked what I saw from Kovacevic last year, should be able to make the team as a bottom pairing guy for the Jets in a year.
- BWJumper

Chairot is the purest form of an NHL defenceman being carried by a constant stream of top tier partners.

Absofu*kinglutely hilarious that trading two 2nd round picks for an RFA top 4 dman is considered mortgaging the future but no one says boo about the nearly entire round of draft picks that have been spent for one and a quarter seasons of Stastny, guess that wasn't mortgaging the future!... 😂

The Islanders are a cap hell team, Chevy should of called but was taking a Dayoff I guess!

The Avs are rounding in to being a perennial contender and they felt it was worth the picks, guess Chevy is wiser then Sakic, who knew!
- JetFuel

So had the Jets foolishly traded two 2nd's for Toews (and his cap hit), who do the Jets expose in the Expansion Draft - Morrissey, Pionk, DeMelo or Toews? Just wondering.

So had the Jets foolishly traded two 2nd's for Toews (and his cap hit), who do the Jets expose in the Expansion Draft - Morrissey, Pionk, DeMelo or Toews? Just wondering.
- grahamzky

Without question Morrissey, Toews and Pionk.

Meh. Size isn’t super important. Ability is. We’ve had a parade of big and terrible defencemen on this team, so clearly that philosophy doesn’t work.
Just look at Colorado. Ditched Zadorov, and I’d bet my basement lair that Johnson is the next guy moved off that blueline.

As for Samberg, the nerd math isn’t super important just yet so much as the being utterly overpowered for college hockey
- Rexypoo

The Avs very much missed Eric Johnson in the playoffs, sorry Rexy but you can't run a D core entirely of small guys, as good as Girard is he got exposed in the playoffs.

You underestimate Samberg and Gustafsson.
- Rexypoo

Those guys are still TBD, we will see about them in a few years.

Having said that if Heinola is any good Samberg is only a 3rd pairing PK guy, and the odds are the Jets keep Copp or Lowry around for a few more years meaning Gustafsson is only a 4C or more likely a 3W.