Okay, but the Jets aren’t reaaally a draft and develop team in the last 3-4 years, and Toronto hasn’t had an actual GM until very recently
- Rexypoo

This is very inaccurate!! But you can continue to ignore the very large sample size that is toronto and call it bad luck 😂😂😂😂
Dubas = over rated by every fan of anylytics

This is very inaccurate!! But you can continue to ignore the very large sample size that is toronto and call it bad luck 😂😂😂😂
Dubas = over rated by every fan of anylytics
- Ross77

You mean Kyle "Dubious?"

Correct.
Only Toronto is in a position to lose a valuable player, because Toronto is the only well managed Canadian team at this time
- Rexypoo

This is very inaccurate!! But you can continue to ignore the very large sample size that is toronto and call it bad luck 😂😂😂😂
Dubas = over rated by every fan of anylytics
- Ross77

What do you call Winnipeg then?

Toronto at least was tanking up until 2016 to get Matthews.

What do you call Winnipeg then?

Toronto at least was tanking up until 2016 to get Matthews.
- BWJumper

I think Winnipeg and Toronto are the exact same

I think Winnipeg and Toronto are the exact same
- Ross77

If that's the case then Chevy should have been fired a long time ago. He's had 9 years to build a better team then one that was tanking 4 years ago.

This is very inaccurate!! But you can continue to ignore the very large sample size that is toronto and call it bad luck 😂😂😂😂
Dubas = over rated by every fan of anylytics
- Ross77

They’ve had like 1 year with coaching and management on the same page, and last year was 100% luck. They heavily outplayed Columbus

If that's the case then Chevy should have been fired a long time ago. He's had 9 years to build a better team then one that was tanking 4 years ago.
- BWJumper

Toronto had also been an organizational dumpster fire until Uncle Lou was sent packing

They’ve had like 1 year with coaching and management on the same page, and last year was 100% luck. They heavily outplayed Columbus
- Rexypoo

It’s funny that you can make soooo many excuses for other teams but not winnipeg. Cause at the end of the day, losing is losing and ranking one excuse of another is fools gold

Toronto had also been an organizational dumpster fire until Uncle Lou was sent packing
- Rexypoo

You mean the uncle Lou whos had more success with the islanders since leaving Toronto than Toronto has had without him? The same uncle Lou who built 3 cup winning teams? That old school boomer who is still winning?

If that's the case then Chevy should have been fired a long time ago. He's had 9 years to build a better team then one that was tanking 4 years ago.
- BWJumper

If the results are the same what’s the difference? To me there is No difference between Jets and Leafs.
And of course I’m bias but if I had to choose I take the Jets lineup, prospects and cap situation over Toronto all day long.

It’s funny that you can make soooo many excuses for other teams but not winnipeg. Cause at the end of the day, losing is losing and ranking one excuse of another is fools gold
- Ross77

Because Winnipeg has been almost the exact same identical team, year after year, with minimal changes to staff or philosophy since relocation.

Toronto wasn’t the same team 3 years ago.

You mean the uncle Lou whos had more success with the islanders since leaving Toronto than Toronto has had without him? The same uncle Lou who built 3 cup winning teams? That old school boomer who is still winning?
- Ross77

Barry Trotz* has had success there. Barry Trotz has gotten the most out of an Islanders lineup that is now heavily in decline.

They are in cap hell, with no visible end in sight, and just lost arguably their best defender. Barzal, Beau, and Pulick are the only three players on their roster right now that aren’t heading into their decline years, or have time to improve.

The Islanders are super f*cked

If the results are the same what’s the difference? To me there is No difference between Jets and Leafs.
And of course I’m bias but if I had to choose I take the Jets lineup, prospects and cap situation over Toronto all day long.
- Ross77

I mean one team was making the playoffs in 2015 while the other was bottoming out fast forward 5 years and they are in the exact same position. Seems to me Jets management has been a bigger failure.

If the results are the same what’s the difference? To me there is No difference between Jets and Leafs.
And of course I’m bias but if I had to choose I take the Jets lineup, prospects and cap situation over Toronto all day long.
- Ross77

Do you? Why? If we’re basing this off of last year:
Matthews>>Scheifele
Marner>>>Connor
Tavares>Laine
Nylander=Ehlers

That’s not to mention Toronto having two top tier defensive prospects coming through in the next year or so, the lack of any problem contracts on their books (I’d take Tavares on his deal over Wheeler right now instantly), and the fact that you wouldn’t even have a realistic comparison for our best defenceman right now (DeMelo) until you got past Rielly and Muzzin to TJ Brodie.

Hellebuyck is a god, so obviously he wins us 1 category, but Toronto’s core absolutely demolishes ours

Barry Trotz* has had success there. Barry Trotz has gotten the most out of an Islanders lineup that is now heavily in decline.

They are in cap hell, with no visible end in sight, and just lost arguably their best defender. Barzal, Beau, and Pulick are the only three players on their roster right now that aren’t heading into their decline years, or have time to improve.

The Islanders are super f*cked
- Rexypoo

Exactly Rexypoo.
The Jets were the second best team in the league in 2018 while the Islanders were missing the playoffs and losing their best player to FA (Tavares). Islanders hire Trotz and have finished ahead of the Jets in the overall standings/gone further in the playoffs the 2 years since.

Though I will give Lou credit for getting a good starting goaltender both years.

If the results are the same what’s the difference? To me there is No difference between Jets and Leafs.
And of course I’m bias but if I had to choose I take the Jets lineup, prospects and cap situation over Toronto all day long.
- Ross77

Most definitely! I'd take the Jets top six over the Leafs...but marginally. The bottom six I'd rank neutral. Jets may now have an edge there though with more depth. Leafs are defensively a nightmare. It's their biggest flaw. Defensively, Jets D even with the loss of Buff , Myers, and Trouba is still better than Leafs. Goaltending is a slam dunk for Jets. Perfetti a star in the making for the Jets. At least IMHO

Most definitely! I'd take the Jets top six over the Leafs...but marginally. The bottom six I'd rank neutral. Jets may now have an edge there though with more depth. Leafs are defensively a nightmare. It's their biggest flaw. Defensively, Jets D even with the loss of Buff , Myers, and Trouba is still better than Leafs. Goaltending is a slam dunk for Jets. Perfetti a star in the making for the Jets. At least IMHO
- jetsnation

Perfetti could heavily tilt my opinion back to the Jets winning the top 6 comparison, but Wheeler’s steep decline sets them back for now.

However, the Jets were absolutely miles and miles worse than the Leafs defensively. The Leafs got sunk a bit by randomly horrid goaltending. The Jets were desperately pulled from the leagues basement by Hellebuyck

Perfetti could heavily tilt my opinion back to the Jets winning the top 6 comparison, but Wheeler’s steep decline sets them back for now.

However, the Jets were absolutely miles and miles worse than the Leafs defensively. The Leafs got sunk a bit by randomly horrid goaltending. The Jets were desperately pulled from the leagues basement by Hellebuyck
- Rexypoo

Complete nonsense. Jets easily were a top ten NHL team if it wasn't for being decimated by injuries...and the stats I'll post don't include Buff so the Jets were actually 412 man-games lost. Our divisional and Conference opponent mostly did quite well in comparison averaging 150 or less. Injuries are a big factor in performance. Jets still finished one point back of the Leafs.

https://twitter.com/ManGa...38240445056122880/photo/1

Complete nonsense. Jets easily were a top ten NHL team if it wasn't for being decimated by injuries...and the stats I'll post don't include Buff so the Jets were actually 412 man-games lost. Our divisional and Conference opponent mostly did quite well in comparison averaging 150 or less. Injuries are a big factor in performance. Jets still finished one point back of the Leafs.

https://twitter.com/ManGa...38240445056122880/photo/1
- jetsnation

Look at the graph, the only important part were the bubbles which indicate lost ps metric.
Overall injuries are meaningless when they include the 63 games Letestu missed.

Most definitely! I'd take the Jets top six over the Leafs...but marginally. The bottom six I'd rank neutral. Jets may now have an edge there though with more depth. Leafs are defensively a nightmare. It's their biggest flaw. Defensively, Jets D even with the loss of Buff , Myers, and Trouba is still better than Leafs. Goaltending is a slam dunk for Jets. Perfetti a star in the making for the Jets. At least IMHO
- jetsnation

The Leafs defense core of Reilly, Brodie, Muzzin, Dermott, Holl, Lehtonen, Bogo is better then Morrissey, Pionk, DeMelo, Forbort, Beaulieu, Poolman, Sbisa and it's not really close and if we think the Jets might have an advantage with Samberg, Heinola or Niku being in the mix well the Leafs have Sandin and Liljegren so the Jets don't have them beat with prospects either.

Complete nonsense. Jets easily were a top ten NHL team if it wasn't for being decimated by injuries...and the stats I'll post don't include Buff so the Jets were actually 412 man-games lost. Our divisional and Conference opponent mostly did quite well in comparison averaging 150 or less. Injuries are a big factor in performance. Jets still finished one point back of the Leafs.

https://twitter.com/ManGa...38240445056122880/photo/1
- jetsnation

I’ll see your twitter post, and raise you one of my own: https://twitter.com/jfres.../1267164092088881153?s=21

The Jets were out-shot, out-chanced, and out-scored more often than not. They were near (or at) the bottom of the league in every category that wasn’t powerplay or Hellebuyck related

Perfetti could heavily tilt my opinion back to the Jets winning the top 6 comparison, but Wheeler’s steep decline sets them back for now.

However, the Jets were absolutely miles and miles worse than the Leafs defensively. The Leafs got sunk a bit by randomly horrid goaltending. The Jets were desperately pulled from the leagues basement by Hellebuyck
- Rexypoo

Not sure why you keep saying that Wheeler is in "steep decline." He's not - he's still an elite NHL player.

Put up almost a point per game while playing a lot of games out of position - for the good of the team - and being an inspiration to every Jets player. He is still the heart and soul of the Jets. A 100% player!

Now Wheeler may decline sharply at some point - although he keeps himself in tip-top shape - but it hasn't happened as we speak!

Barry Trotz* has had success there. Barry Trotz has gotten the most out of an Islanders lineup that is now heavily in decline.

They are in cap hell, with no visible end in sight, and just lost arguably their best defender. Barzal, Beau, and Pulick are the only three players on their roster right now that aren’t heading into their decline years, or have time to improve.

The Islanders are super f*cked
- Rexypoo

Barry trotz does not have as many cups as Lou

Toews had a great year but was severely exposed in the playoffs was arguably their worst D in the playoffs

They have over 20 million coming off the cap in 2 years

They are actually fine and you sound like a whiny Leaf fan who’s still mad you over paid Taveras and are now watching e islanders do more without him.

I mean one team was making the playoffs in 2015 while the other was bottoming out fast forward 5 years and they are in the exact same position. Seems to me Jets management has been a bigger failure.
- BWJumper

Really ? Common you are using the one off that was the 2015 team? So you honestly thought we were going to build off our 2015 team and develop that team into a championship team ? Seriously, that’s your stand? Lol