Sean Maloughney: The Next Two Weeks Must Be Big For The Oilers

Ghost For Larson!!!

How in the world would that help Edm, Ghost makes more then Larsson

How in the world would that help Edm, Ghost makes more then Larsson
- ifiwasgm

throw in Chaiassn...

(most) draft picks are overrated in general and are basically useless to a team like the Oilers atm.

he can offload salary if he wants to

(most) draft picks are overrated in general and are basically useless to a team like the Oilers atm.

he can offload salary if he wants to
- farooge

Would be happy to see picks in rounds 5, 6, and 7 go in order to dump salary.

That's about it though. Don't want to package the #14 pick or leverage further from the 2021 draft.

That AA trade was awful, corona or no corona. GMs need to have the foresight to understand their cap situation a few months out and know if they will be able to make a QO to an RFA before they trade two 2nds for a poop rental in the middle of a dud season.

Would be happy to see picks in rounds 5, 6, and 7 go in order to dump salary.

That's about it though. Don't want to package the #14 pick or leverage further from the 2021 draft.

That AA trade was awful, corona or no corona. GMs need to have the foresight to understand their cap situation a few months out and know if they will be able to make a QO to an RFA before they trade two 2nds for a poop rental in the middle of a dud season.
- RonPielep

Holland did. Prior to COVID GM's had been told to expect a cap increase of at least 2-3 million. There would have been no issues qualifying AA then.

Holland did. Prior to COVID GM's had been told to expect a cap increase of at least 2-3 million. There would have been no issues qualifying AA then.
- freelancer

Ok if they were actually told that by the league (as opposed to it being rumored) then I can cut him some slack. Even so, he didn't leave himself any breathing room to mitigate risk. Didn't account for any uncertainty in the 'expected' cap increase. Piss poor risk management.

Ok if they were actually told that by the league (as opposed to it being rumored) then I can cut him some slack. Even so, he didn't leave himself any breathing room to mitigate risk. Didn't account for any uncertainty in the 'expected' cap increase. Piss poor risk management.
- RonPielep

Gonna have to disagree on that.

To be fair, if he was told directly by the league to expect at least a 2-3 mill increase, and that's being the very least increase possible, I can't blame him. At the time, he considered his options and IMO had a great TDL that benefitted the team in a manner that limited risk.

At the time of the trades made AA would be an RFA in the offseason, not a UFA, so he still has a controllable asset even after the deal expires. Arbitration complicates things, sure, but we still own his rights.

Even if we talk about Ennis and Green, Green's contract would be finished by the end of the year. Ennis was a great pickup and I hope we can extend him to a good value. Even if we let go of Ennis, which I hope isn't the case, I wouldn't blame Holland on that.

Holland had a successful TDL without accumulating too much risk by not pursuing prime-time UFA's and stars that could jeopardize our cap structure/asset management. Instead, he pursued low risk-high reward assets that theoretically increased our depth heading in the playoffs.

trade Benning, AA and Russell for picks.

would you deal Larsson for Hornqvist
- Sean

Not even a remote chance It'd be like trading Larsson for a slightly better Neal with the same term remaining as Neal.

Ghost For Larson!!!
- login

Nope.

Not even a remote chance It'd be like trading Larsson for a slightly better Neal with the same term remaining as Neal.
- MaximumBone

Even slightly better is pushing it lol.

Hornqvist deal official now. Horny for Sceviour and Matheson.

Gonna have to disagree on that.

To be fair, if he was told directly by the league to expect at least a 2-3 mill increase, and that's being the very least increase possible, I can't blame him. At the time, he considered his options and IMO had a great TDL that benefitted the team in a manner that limited risk.

At the time of the trades made AA would be an RFA in the offseason, not a UFA, so he still has a controllable asset even after the deal expires. Arbitration complicates things, sure, but we still own his rights.

Even if we talk about Ennis and Green, Green's contract would be finished by the end of the year. Ennis was a great pickup and I hope we can extend him to a good value. Even if we let go of Ennis, which I hope isn't the case, I wouldn't blame Holland on that.

Holland had a successful TDL without accumulating too much risk by not pursuing prime-time UFA's and stars that could jeopardize our cap structure/asset management. Instead, he pursued low risk-high reward assets that theoretically increased our depth heading in the playoffs.
- EdmHockeyMan

Agree on Ennis but if Holland requires the 'expected' cap increase to qualify AA (assuming qualifying him would even be desirable) then he is gambling and clearly it didn't pay off. That's where the poopty risk management part comes in.

I still want to hear the detailed facts and verify this statement that he was told directly by the league to expect a 2-3M increase. If that's the case, like I said, I cut a lot more slack for corona, but if it was just rumored, then he has to take into account the uncertainty of an expectation.

And considering he is about to be a GM that traded two 2nds for an RFA he can't afford to qualify, who had virtually 0 impact, I am comfortable saying that is piss poor risk management. Now let's see if he can get out of this cap bind and recoup some lost value, otherwise he just burned two 2nds with nothing to show for it. Which is not an insignificant cost.

Ok if they were actually told that by the league (as opposed to it being rumored) then I can cut him some slack. Even so, he didn't leave himself any breathing room to mitigate risk. Didn't account for any uncertainty in the 'expected' cap increase. Piss poor risk management.
- RonPielep

So a situation like covid has NEVER happed, but you're saying Holland should have been prepared for covid...
Ok...

The only thing Holland has done, that I didn't like, the moment it happened, was the Sekera buyout. I absolutely HATE buyouts, they hurt the teams chances at contending.
The Oilers have $4.58mil/yr in wasted cap space, that's a killer.

I can't see why you couldn't retain half the salary and find a trading partner, then it not hurting you for years after.

The only thing Holland has done, that I didn't like, the moment it happened, was the Sekera buyout. I absolutely HATE buyouts, they hurt the teams chances at contending.
The Oilers have $4.58mil/yr in wasted cap space, that's a killer.

I can't see why you couldn't retain half the salary and find a trading partner, then it not hurting you for years after.
- ifiwasgm

So you like the Chiasson and Kassian contracts? 5.4mil in cap space committed to players who don't score away from McDavid.

As for the buyout, the implicit suggestion you make is that Holland didn't try that approach. I think it's foolish to assume he didn't try it before committing to the buyout. It's particularly foolish to make such a suggestion when you admit to liking his work as GM because that would be a clear sign of incompetence.

Ok if they were actually told that by the league (as opposed to it being rumored) then I can cut him some slack. Even so, he didn't leave himself any breathing room to mitigate risk. Didn't account for any uncertainty in the 'expected' cap increase. Piss poor risk management.
- RonPielep

My bigger issue surrounding the AA saga is that, despite having drafted and developed the guy, Holland didn't account for the fact that he needs to carry the puck to be effective. This negates his value as a top-6 W for this team and, as such, makes the price he paid questionable. You shouldn't pay two 2nds for a guy you have reason to believe won't fit in your top-6- especially not after an atrocious season.

Agree on Ennis but if Holland requires the 'expected' cap increase to qualify AA (assuming qualifying him would even be desirable) then he is gambling and clearly it didn't pay off. That's where the poopty risk management part comes in.

I still want to hear the detailed facts and verify this statement that he was told directly by the league to expect a 2-3M increase. If that's the case, like I said, I cut a lot more slack for corona, but if it was just rumored, then he has to take into account the uncertainty of an expectation.

And considering he is about to be a GM that traded two 2nds for an RFA he can't afford to qualify, who had virtually 0 impact, I am comfortable saying that is piss poor risk management. Now let's see if he can get out of this cap bind and recoup some lost value, otherwise he just burned two 2nds with nothing to show for it. Which is not an insignificant cost.
- RonPielep

Seems like a majority of this entire debate hinges on the authenticity of the sources claiming that GM's were told to expect a 2-3m increase. But I see your point. Shouldn't make bets with money you don't have in hand. However, AA is still an RFA at the end of the day which is still a controllable asset the team can use. Holland could have gone for a high profile star or solid player that would be a UFA or create cap implications or burn through our assets for us. He didn't do that and I'm totally okay with that.

Interestingly, if a team offer sheets him for 2-4m, we get one 2nd back. Anything higher than that and we get a 1st and a 3rd. Highly unlikely he gets offer sheeted, but just something interesting to think about.

Nonetheless, corona really dampened every GM's plans.
This summer is going to be a big one for Holland in terms of asset management and what he can do based on our situation.

So a situation like covid has NEVER happed, but you're saying Holland should have been prepared for covid...
Ok...
- ifiwasgm

If that's what you read and comprehended from what I stated then might I suggest...

My bigger issue surrounding the AA saga is that, despite having drafted and developed the guy, Holland didn't account for the fact that he needs to carry the puck to be effective. This negates his value as a top-6 W for this team and, as such, makes the price he paid questionable. You shouldn't pay two 2nds for a guy you have reason to believe won't fit in your top-6- especially not after an atrocious season.
- MaximumBone

The fact that AA was in the middle of an atrocious season certainly doesn't help Holland's case.

Seems like a majority of this entire debate hinges on the authenticity of the sources claiming that GM's were told to expect a 2-3m increase. But I see your point. Shouldn't make bets with money you don't have in hand. However, AA is still an RFA at the end of the day which is still a controllable asset the team can use. Holland could have gone for a high profile star or solid player that would be a UFA or create cap implications or burn through our assets for us. He didn't do that and I'm totally okay with that.

Interestingly, if a team offer sheets him for 2-4m, we get one 2nd back. Anything higher than that and we get a 1st and a 3rd. Highly unlikely he gets offer sheeted, but just something interesting to think about.

Nonetheless, corona really dampened every GM's plans.
This summer is going to be a big one for Holland in terms of asset management and what he can do based on our situation.
- EdmHockeyMan

Yes that is exactly my point, and corona or no corona, poop can happen, so going all in on the expected cap increase is a gamble that can burn you in non-pandemic years too. This is why the source matters. If the league was very confident in the cap increase to the point of having league officials actively mislead GMs then I sympathize with the gamble a lot more. If it is just rumored then not so much.

Doesn't AA become a UFA if Holland can't qualify him? And then he walks with nothing to show for it?

I'd be talking to sens mostly. Especially find a way to give them russel

Agree on Ennis but if Holland requires the 'expected' cap increase to qualify AA (assuming qualifying him would even be desirable) then he is gambling and clearly it didn't pay off. That's where the poopty risk management part comes in.

I still want to hear the detailed facts and verify this statement that he was told directly by the league to expect a 2-3M increase. If that's the case, like I said, I cut a lot more slack for corona, but if it was just rumored, then he has to take into account the uncertainty of an expectation.

And considering he is about to be a GM that traded two 2nds for an RFA he can't afford to qualify, who had virtually 0 impact, I am comfortable saying that is piss poor risk management. Now let's see if he can get out of this cap bind and recoup some lost value, otherwise he just burned two 2nds with nothing to show for it. Which is not an insignificant cost.
- RonPielep

It increases every year, and some years it's been significant. 2-3 would be the least it raises. You don't need to be told by anyone to know that as a fact. If you make bets assuming there's global pandemic proportion risks, then you'd be a terrible GM.


But since you didn't apparently know any of this, here you go

https://www.google.com/am...ams-will-benefit-the-most