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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

May 8 @ 2:17 PM ET
Baker disagrees. Laaksonen didn't fare too well this year.
- TheSabresTaco


Would be nice if he’d update his website
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

May 8 @ 2:19 PM ET
It was def reported he was close with Montreal. Lot of speculation for their top pick too
- Fattony1187


Speculation is the key. Gerbe acts like they're facts.

Ror for the 3rd pick (tkachuk) on a rookie deal is a fairytale
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

May 8 @ 2:21 PM ET
Speculation is the key. Gerbe acts like they're facts.

Ror for the 3rd pick (tkachuk) on a rookie deal is a fairytale

- Boss34

Would have been a Helluva draft haul that year with Dahlin, to have gotten Tkachuk too
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

May 8 @ 2:22 PM ET
"The Grudge" idea is an interesting take I had never heard or considered before.
- Der Kaiser



"The gudge" is a very interesting take

- could also be " the new dummy" of the Sabres

These guys keep hiring 1st time gms. Let's "teach him" the ropes.
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

May 8 @ 2:23 PM ET
Isn’t that the exact opposite of the type of partner we want for Dahlin?
I’d think we want a stay at home, defensive type
That way Dahlin is more free to rush the puck up the ice

- jdfitz77

I know people don't like him, but Radko Gudas could fill that role. I would try to get him and Dillon. I don't know that the Caps would be able to resign either.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

May 8 @ 2:24 PM ET
"The gudge" is a very interesting take

- could also be " the new dummy" of the Sabres

These guys keep hiring 1st time gms. Let's "teach him" the ropes.

- Boss34

Let's see how this off-season goes, could be correct
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

May 8 @ 2:25 PM ET
Think the machine blew up
- Buff36



How many years are we going to hold terry to those words? He may have meant those exact words in 2011

Times change

Profits change

Interest apparently changes.
Football over hockey
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

May 8 @ 2:30 PM ET
How many years are we going to hold terry to those words? He may have meant those exact words in 2011

Times change

Profits change

Interest apparently changes.
Football over hockey

- Boss34

Shouldn't have said it then, it something he will be held to especially if it affects the team put on the ice.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 8 @ 2:34 PM ET
I've posted 4 different links in which it states that they wouldn't give up the 3rd.
I know you're delusional with most your views and won't admit when you're wrong, but once in a while you should pause for a minute to research actual facts.
Just because you keep saying something doesn't make it any more true.

- adambuffalo


You can post all the links you want I know the deal was done I'm not going to get into fights
The same people question me about kane ,kyle, ROR and they all came out

So when botts gets fired and info gets released I will accept an apology
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 8 @ 2:38 PM ET
I know people don't like him, but Radko Gudas could fill that role. I would try to get him and Dillon. I don't know that the Caps would be able to resign either.
- adambuffalo


The Sabres organization would never let that happen
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 8 @ 2:40 PM ET
Would have been a Helluva draft haul that year with Dahlin, to have gotten Tkachuk too
- Buff36


No people would have been pissed lots of people called him a bust before he was drafted
All they did was look at his stats and call him a bust

kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

May 8 @ 2:43 PM ET
No people would have been pissed lots of people called him a bust before he was drafted
All they did was look at his stats and call him a bust

- gerbe75pts


What you said above is accurate, as many of the analytic scouts and draft experts were making jokes and poking fun at the Sabres ahead of the lottery, saying they fully expected the Sabres to get the 2nd or 3rd overall pick and end up drafting Brady Tkachuk, who was overrated and not very good.

There were several posters who were also already calling a potential pick of Tkachuk in the 2, 3, or 4 spot a terrible idea.

Egg on the face for all those buffoons.

Overall, if what you are sharing is accurate and Botterill turned that down to try and squeeze more out of Montreal, that is a fireable offense.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

May 8 @ 2:43 PM ET
We can go back and forth about the 3rd ..

It's in the history books with Bobby Ryan, Kopitar , Seguin , Ovechkin, Forsberg and Jarome Iginla

- gerbe75pts



You are wrong

Adam is right

Move on
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

May 8 @ 2:48 PM ET
You give Botts a pass for ownership interference but then bury Murray for same thing.

You GM with hand your dealt. Botts has been worse. Botts chose the garbage returns. Botts missed on Mitts. Botts put us over the cap. Botts is going on year 4 when Murray was here for 2.75 years.

All you do is defend Botts. He must be your dad. He is the worst GM in the league.

- Fattony1187


GMTM drafted horribly with the picks he decided not to trade away, ignored Rochester, and was wrong with just about every single move he made involving our defense

Like usual, you’re way off
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

May 8 @ 2:50 PM ET
I know people don't like him, but Radko Gudas could fill that role. I would try to get him and Dillon. I don't know that the Caps would be able to resign either.
- adambuffalo


Gudas can’t hang with Dahlin though
More of a 3rd pair guy

Dillon would be an interesting target if they trade McCabe
Don’t think need both though
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 8 @ 2:54 PM ET
You are wrong

Adam is right

Move on

- Boss34


He's not but I'm not going to fight I'll just wait for botts to get fired and the info will come out
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

May 8 @ 2:59 PM ET
You can post all the links you want I know the deal was done I'm not going to get into fights
The same people question me about kane ,kyle, ROR and they all came out

So when botts gets fired and info gets released I will accept an apology

- gerbe75pts

"Habs GM Marc Bergevin had a three-team deal in place that would have sent Pacioretty to the New York Islanders for a first-round pick, which would have then been swapped to the Buffalo Sabres for centre Ryan O’Reilly.

The plan apparently fell through when the Islanders, who held both the 11th and 12th overall picks, drafted prospects Oliver Wahlstrom and Noah Dobson respectively."

https://dailyhive.com/mon...cioretty-islanders-sabres

Not the 3rd OA. I'm sure Botts double checked everything with you at the draft, but maybe you just misunderstood him.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 8 @ 2:59 PM ET
What you said above is accurate, as many of the analytic scouts and draft experts were making jokes and poking fun at the Sabres ahead of the lottery, saying they fully expected the Sabres to get the 2nd or 3rd overall pick and end up drafting Brady Tkachuk, who was overrated and not very good.

There were several posters who were also already calling a potential pick of Tkachuk in the 2, 3, or 4 spot a terrible idea.

Egg on the face for all those buffoons.

Overall, if what you are sharing is accurate and Botterill turned that down to try and squeeze more out of Montreal, that is a fireable offense.

- kingcong39



It's just like the time Darcy had Seguin all locked up to buffalo then he got cute and wouldn't add Foligno..

GMs get dumb and think they have all the power and boom it's gone
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 8 @ 3:01 PM ET
"Habs GM Marc Bergevin had a three-team deal in place that would have sent Pacioretty to the New York Islanders for a first-round pick, which would have then been swapped to the Buffalo Sabres for centre Ryan O’Reilly.

The plan apparently fell through when the Islanders, who held both the 11th and 12th overall picks, drafted prospects Oliver Wahlstrom and Noah Dobson respectively."

https://dailyhive.com/mon...cioretty-islanders-sabres

Not the 3rd OA. I'm sure Botts double checked everything with you at the draft, but maybe you just misunderstood him.

- adambuffalo


I was there Adam you can save this post the info will leak when he's gone
Just like kane ,ROR, Kyle
TC4145
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 03.03.2019

May 8 @ 3:08 PM ET
What you said above is accurate, as many of the analytic scouts and draft experts were making jokes and poking fun at the Sabres ahead of the lottery, saying they fully expected the Sabres to get the 2nd or 3rd overall pick and end up drafting Brady Tkachuk, who was overrated and not very good.

There were several posters who were also already calling a potential pick of Tkachuk in the 2, 3, or 4 spot a terrible idea.

Egg on the face for all those buffoons.

Overall, if what you are sharing is accurate and Botterill turned that down to try and squeeze more out of Montreal, that is a fireable offense.

- kingcong39


If it is fireable and he pushed too hard and he did not get it done, and he is still here then it was not fireable;
Or, it was never on the table and therefore he did not commit a fireable offense.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 8 @ 3:15 PM ET
If it is fireable and he pushed too hard and he did not get it done, and he is still here then it was not fireable;
Or, it was never on the table and therefore he did not commit a fireable offense.

- TC4145


He should have been fired when he decided the CHL was not good for drafting for 2 years
And reason i think he drafted from the CHl the 3rd year is he got called out by TSN ,buffalo news etc
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

May 8 @ 3:28 PM ET
He should have been fired when he decided the CHL was not good for drafting for 2 years
And reason i think he drafted from the CHl the 3rd year is he got called out by TSN ,buffalo news etc

- gerbe75pts

If you are taking the BPA you can't pass on guys because they weren't in the CHL. Wanting to draft from overseas or college bound players can be the preferred route for many of the GMs. It gives them more control of the situation and allows the players to develop longer before having to sign them.
TMGM drafted 13 players from the CHL I believe and only one is on the team and two in Rochester. He also drafted 4 Swedes: 1 in Buffalo, 2 in Rochester and 1 still playing in Sweden. Maybe he should have taken less guys from the CHL.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

May 8 @ 3:30 PM ET
It's just like the time Darcy had Seguin all locked up to buffalo then he got cute and wouldn't add Foligno..

GMs get dumb and think they have all the power and boom it's gone

- gerbe75pts



The what now...?
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

May 8 @ 3:33 PM ET
I'm not sure why everyone thinks we won a trade after a guy plays only 6 games?

Kahun was an undrafted free agent that played overseas.

Am I the only poster that is taking kahun at a slow rate?

Guy hasnt proved anything really to me....

- Boss34


He traded Sheary, who is a UFA after whenever this season ends, and Erod, a borderline nothing player.

He almost won the trade already.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

May 8 @ 3:33 PM ET
Shouldn't have said it then, it something he will be held to especially if it affects the team put on the ice.
- Buff36



I agree with you 36, the quote will follow him forever.

At the time he said it, %100 i believe he meant it.

The pegulas have hired and fired coaches, ect.
They spent some money for sure.

I just think things change, growing up, havent you told someone you loved them? 🤔

It was an emotional moment. Not sure if it was scripted?
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