Sup Mo! I know very little about the guys they just drafted. I asked about Vlasic because most of what I've read has been lukewarm at best on him, but that is mostly from national publications who likely don't do a deep dive on all the prospects. All I get to see is bits and pieces from youtube. In the video I've seen of Moberg, it's pretty impressive. He seems to diagnose well, and he has some offense.

I've seen Mitchell play a few times in person when I've traveled to Denver for work, and I think he has the highest ceiling of any of our prospects (Boq and Beaudin included) in terms of being a complete package. He is just so good with and without the puck. I have my own concerns about his size, but we've read that story before. Let's let him get out there see what he does against NHL horses.
- Chunk

Mitchell says his idol is Keith. If he has anywhere close to Keith's work ethic, I would not worry about his size at all.

The Hawks need to draft a goalie this year, I am convinced of that. It doesn't have to be in the first round, but I wouldn't wait until the 6th round either.

If the Hawks choose to pass on Askarov in the first round then in rounds 2-4 they should consider Jan Bednar, Joel Blomqvist, Samuel Hlavaj or Calle Clang. I wouldn't be opposed to taking 2 goalies this draft, one in the mid-rounds and one at the end.
- DarthKane

Clang off the post or clang off the iron. Clamg best friend is .....clang off the post
Ovechkiin swears "clang darn it.'

Sup Mo! I know very little about the guys they just drafted. I asked about Vlasic because most of what I've read has been lukewarm at best on him, but that is mostly from national publications who likely don't do a deep dive on all the prospects. All I get to see is bits and pieces from youtube. In the video I've seen of Moberg, it's pretty impressive. He seems to diagnose well, and he has some offense.

I've seen Mitchell play a few times in person when I've traveled to Denver for work, and I think he has the highest ceiling of any of our prospects (Boq and Beaudin included) in terms of being a complete package. He is just so good with and without the puck. I have my own concerns about his size, but we've read that story before. Let's let him get out there see what he does against NHL horses.
- Chunk

It'll be fun to watch them. The reason I ask is to underscore how much elite talent present during the run. It is unlikely to very unlikely any will be as good as Keith. Pretty unlikely two will match the Seabrook/Hammer level. They needed all of them to win any of those Cups, along with very strong goaltending and a pack of great forwards.

We had it good.....

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Watched the 2010 parade after watching the SC winning game last night on rewind. Giggled when Skille and Beach followed each other onto the stage as they introduced Rockford. Beach acting every bit the douchebag you guys have described. A very young Crawford was right behind them.

I like to see those Stats ,I know Subban was not well liked in Vegas . It was concerning he was not started against Detroit this season, on the second half of a BB .I would have thought that was the perfect time for Subban to get a start .
HAWKS have no !! depth at the Goal position . Best player available at the 9th pick the way it looks right now will be Askarov .
HAWKS already have a glut of young Defenseman, that are on the smaller side and offensive type , that suggest giving up the occasional high danger chance .Be nice to have a young stud goalie to grow with them, and be there to bail them out . Nothing build's confidence in a team more then great goaltending .Time for some bold moves .!!
- oldduffman

I think the reason Subban never got in was because the Hawks were technically still fighting for a spot in the PO's and we've seen Colliton ride one/the best available goalie in those situations.

TBF we have no idea what the Hawks have as far as depth in the system. Lankinen has never played in the NHL and Delia only has a handful of games. Additionally, Subban could flourish under Waite. Goalies probably have the longest development curve of any player on the ice. There is a reason for the dearth of good goalies in the league. It also normally takes about 3-5 years before a goalie is ready to step into the NHL (regardless of when they are drafted). Look at he numbers for Bishop, Rask, and virtually every other goalie.

The only guys that I've found who have moved that timeline up a little are Hart and Price, and they both took two years after their draft to break into the NHL. Build the team in front of the goalie first.

Do you all remember our French goalie Huet? The guy was crucified at the United Center by the fans. Coach "Q" toward the end of the season did not let him play in any home games. The fans would boo the hell out of because of all the soft goals he let in. I kind of felt sorry for him at the end.

Do you all remember our French goalie Huet? The guy was crucified at the United Center by the fans. Coach "Q" toward the end of the season did not let him play in any home games. The fans would boo the hell out of because of all the soft goals he let in. I kind of felt sorry for him at the end.
- spanky

I feel sorry for Seabrook in the same way. Absolute stud and great leader. Now thought of in a negative light because of his contract. Huet had a pretty big contract at the time, I think. That's why he got the treatment.

I like to see those Stats ,I know Subban was not well liked in Vegas . It was concerning he was not started against Detroit this season, on the second half of a BB .I would have thought that was the perfect time for Subban to get a start .
HAWKS have no !! depth at the Goal position . Best player available at the 9th pick the way it looks right now will be Askarov .
HAWKS already have a glut of young Defenseman, that are on the smaller side and offensive type , that suggest giving up the occasional high danger chance .Be nice to have a young stud goalie to grow with them, and be there to bail them out . Nothing build's confidence in a team more then great goaltending .Time for some bold moves .!!
- oldduffman

I’m guessing if you played you were a goaltender. Either that or your kid plays in the net.

Either way, I’m glad you’re not the one making picks for the Hawks.

It'll be fun to watch them. The reason I ask is to underscore how much elite talent present during the run. It is unlikely to very unlikely any will be as good as Keith. Pretty unlikely two will match the Seabrook/Hammer level. They needed all of them to win any of those Cups, along with very strong goaltending and a pack of great forwards.

We had it good.....
- mohel

I get what you are saying with the bolded, but I think it all will come down to how the pairs (and more to the point the 5 man units) can play collectively in front of the goalie. It may look completely different than what we had in 10, 13 or even 15, (just a pure track meet vs possession game for example) but they can be just as effective.

I'll be interested to see how it all comes together in the coming years (assuming that we get back to hockey shortly of course).

I get what you are saying with the bolded, but I think it all will come down to how the pairs (and more to the point the 5 man units) can play collectively in front of the goalie. It may look completely different than what we had in 10, 13 or even 15, (just a pure track meet vs possession game for example) but they can be just as effective.

I'll be interested to see how it all comes together in the coming years (assuming that we get back to hockey shortly of course).
- Chunk

Agreed. The part you bolded was meant to refer to as level of play rather than style. I'm sure it will look different. Keith is a Hall of Famer. Seabs and Hammer were top line guys on almost any team in the league. Them youngins need to pop to that level for the Hawks to return to where they were. I hope they will, and I'm looking forward to watching. Just taking a minute to admire how good those guys were.

Agreed. The part you bolded was meant to refer to as level of play rather than style. I'm sure it will look different. Keith is a Hall of Famer. Seabs and Hammer were top line guys on almost any team in the league. Them youngins need to pop to that level for the Hawks to return to where they were. I hope they will, and I'm looking forward to watching. Just taking a minute to admire how good those guys were.
- mohel

When Keith was at his best, it was largely because of guys like Seabrook...the rock solid guy who was always in position allowing Keith to play more of a free wheeling style. I think many of the people who complain about Seabrook’s contract now forget just how good he was back then. He would have been the #1 guy on most teams.

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Watched the 2010 parade after watching the SC winning game last night on rewind. Giggled when Skille and Beach followed each other onto the stage as they introduced Rockford. Beach acting every bit the douchebag you guys have described. A very young Crawford was right behind them.
- pdx2ord

Bring back Big Buff, 5 years x $6 million AAV, with the prerequisite NMC of course. This would give Mitchell time to marinate in the AHL for a few years before being NHL ready.

When Keith was at his best, it was largely because of guys like Seabrook...the rock solid guy who was always in position allowing Keith to play more of a free wheeling style. I think many of the people who complain about Seabrook’s contract now forget just how good he was back then. He would have been the #1 guy on most teams.
- Ogilthorpe2

Agree. Seabrook made the Canadian Olympic team. Nuff said.

Bring back Big Buff, 5 years x $6 million AAV, with the prerequisite NMC of course. This would give Mitchell time to marinate in the AHL for a few years before being NHL ready.


- DarthKane

Couldn't happen because someone will pay him, but I'd be curious to see him play forward here on a reasonable deal for a few years.

I feel sorry for Seabrook in the same way. Absolute stud and great leader. Now thought of in a negative light because of his contract. Huet had a pretty big contract at the time, I think. That's why he got the treatment.
- mohel

Personally, I think hockey returning is a long way off. Maybe October or November next year, but who really knows??...it is all a guess.

One thing we do know, is $$$ will be down. Caps will have to stay the same or drop some. Players may have to take pay cuts. Buy-outs likely available for teams....maybe one, maybe more.

Got me thinking. If Cap stays about same (or drops, but players salaries drop in proportion). And, if teams get at least ONE buy-out. Hawks may actually fare OK.

RFAs signing likely have to re-sign at reasonable amounts. And we would likely buy-out Seabrook. We have some cheap young guys we could plug in if needed and let them grow together. Dach, Kubalik, D-Cat, Boqvist, Mitchell, and whoever else might be able to fill a spot and learn and grow at the NHL level.

If nothing else...I look at salary structures of some teams like TB, Toronto, and many other teams.....and their options look much bleaker than ours.

All those entry-level and lower contracts around the two big ones of Toews and Kane should make us a little more flexible in filling out the roster. We might fare OK when things get back in the fall or winter next year.

It'll be fun to watch them. The reason I ask is to underscore how much elite talent present during the run. It is unlikely to very unlikely any will be as good as Keith. Pretty unlikely two will match the Seabrook/Hammer level. They needed all of them to win any of those Cups, along with very strong goaltending and a pack of great forwards.

We had it good.....
- mohel

Hardly. Should have won them all from 2010 to 2017. FAIL.

When Keith was at his best, it was largely because of guys like Seabrook...the rock solid guy who was always in position allowing Keith to play more of a free wheeling style. I think many of the people who complain about Seabrook’s contract now forget just how good he was back then. He would have been the #1 guy on most teams.
- Ogilthorpe2

The funny thing about that is Seabrook was playing virtually the exact same way (albeit a bit slower), he just did not have nearly as dynamic a partner for the last few years. I'm intrigued to see how well he bounces back from his surgeries (whether on the Hawks or some other team).

When Keith was at his best, it was largely because of guys like Seabrook...the rock solid guy who was always in position allowing Keith to play more of a free wheeling style. I think many of the people who complain about Seabrook’s contract now forget just how good he was back then. He would have been the #1 guy on most teams.
- Ogilthorpe2

If there is some sort of compliance buyout with Seab's being the logical contract to exercise it on, I wouldn't be surprised if he were back with organization in some capacity some day.

Either way, from what I've read about him, if that were to happen, sounds like it would be a tough pill to swallow.

I think the reason Subban never got in was because the Hawks were technically still fighting for a spot in the PO's and we've seen Colliton ride one/the best available goalie in those situations.

TBF we have no idea what the Hawks have as far as depth in the system. Lankinen has never played in the NHL and Delia only has a handful of games. Additionally, Subban could flourish under Waite. Goalies probably have the longest development curve of any player on the ice. There is a reason for the dearth of good goalies in the league. It also normally takes about 3-5 years before a goalie is ready to step into the NHL (regardless of when they are drafted). Look at he numbers for Bishop, Rask, and virtually every other goalie.

The only guys that I've found who have moved that timeline up a little are Hart and Price, and they both took two years after their draft to break into the NHL. Build the team in front of the goalie first.
- Chunk

I though coming off a big win against EDM ,that Det game was a bit of a trap game playing the next night .And putting Subban in would have been perfect timing for the player and the team .Needed a little spark .I blame JC for that ,not sold on him just yet as a NHL coach .
If anyone will flourish under Waite it would be Askarov . Askarov is of the same elk as Price and Hart and would be looking at being here in 2 years maybe sooner .This kid is special .I really don't believe he will be available at 9 . If he is it would be a huge miss on Stan part if he passes .

Off topic, but are any of you guys men's league players? As much as I miss watching NHL hockey on TV and at the UC, I really miss getting out to the rink every Sunday night and skating.
- JPBurke27

Yup. I really miss the Friday night rat games with the other old guys.

We're gonna have to kick in a couple of extra bucks a session for oxygen tanks on the bench when we start skating again.

I though coming off a big win against EDM ,that Det game was a bit of a trap game playing the next night .And putting Subban in would have been perfect timing for the player and the team .Needed a little spark .I blame JC for that ,not sold on him just yet as a NHL coach .
If anyone will flourish under Waite it would be Askarov . Askarov is of the same elk as Price and Hart and would be looking at being here in 2 years maybe sooner .This kid is special .I really don't believe he will be available at 9 . If he is it would be a huge miss on Stan part if he passes .
- oldduffman

I wasn't defending keeping Crow in, just giving my take on why he was left in. I didn't really agree with it either. Then again, I didn't think they had any chance of actually getting in so there is that.

You've been very bullish on Askarov for a long time. Where does that come from? Have you seen him play in person (I'm not attacking the argument here, I'm just curious as to why you are so sure of him)? Saying that he is on the same level as Price and Hart is quite the statement. I think Hart is good, but the equivalent of a little over a year's worth of starts is not enough to really cement him anywhere.

I look at the situation more as a law of averages. You are more likely to sustain success if you have a solid team (and system) in front of an above average goalie than you are with an average to below average team in front of a top 3 goalie. First, the top goalie only plays about 2/3 of the team's games per year. Second, If he gets hurt, you are almost certainly screwed.

Bring back Big Buff, 5 years x $6 million AAV, with the prerequisite NMC of course. This would give Mitchell time to marinate in the AHL for a few years before being NHL ready.


- DarthKane

Marinate??? Hell, trade bait.

Couldn't happen because someone will pay him, but I'd be curious to see him play forward here on a reasonable deal for a few years.
- mohel

He's not in shape to play D, how's he going to play F. He hates playing forward because he has to skate too hard.

Agree. Seabrook made the Canadian Olympic team. Nuff said.
- mohel

Looks at the names of Canadian guys that were on that team too..... impressive. All probably hall of fame guys except Dan Boyle and Seabs.


Still not sure how Brenden Morrow made that roster and Martin St. Louis was left off.

He's not in shape to play D, how's he going to play F. He hates playing forward because he has to skate too hard.
- 6628

Realism sux! I'm guilty of re-watching him against Vancouver and San Jose in the 2010 playoffs. Thanks for snapping me back to 2020.