You seem to be the one that's so worried about the media.

I remember when Dr. Drew was blasting the media, i believe he said he'd be surprised if 20,000 people died from it. Like i told Mohel hey if you feel safe, enjoy, go out and you be you.

Honestly mental health has always been a problem, it always will be.
- BetweenTheDots

You seem to be forgetting about the millions and millions of people, unlike you(apparently), that can’t afford to simply hide inside their house for the next 12-18 months. The masses need to work, they need to earn to maintain daily livelihood.

At some point you gotta ask yourself “if I’m willing to risk driving my car to work every day when there’s thousands and thousands of car accidents, why not risk potentially getting a fever that I almost certainly won’t die from?”

I think in the next 1-3 months(depending on level of risk in whatever county you live in) it’s going to be imperative for the masses(young and middle aged working class) to return to daily life, and not hide waiting for a vaccine/everyone on the planet to have immunity.

You seem to be forgetting about the millions and millions of people, unlike you(apparently), that can’t afford to simply hide inside their house for the next 12-18 months. The masses need to work, they need to earn to maintain daily livelihood.

At some point you gotta ask yourself “if I’m willing to risk driving my car to work every day when there’s thousands and thousands of car accidents, why not risk potentially getting a fever that I almost certainly won’t die from?”

I think in the next 1-3 months(depending on level of risk in whatever county you live in) it’s going to be imperative for the masses(young and middle aged working class) to return to daily life, and not hide waiting for a vaccine/everyone on the planet to have immunity.
- SimpleJack

The car accident argument is not the same, approximately 1000 people die each year from car accidents in Illinois a little different then, less then 3 months we are over 1100 deaths in Illinois with Covid 19

I feel terrible for the people who are struggling financially. I understand we all aren't in the same position. I also believe Healthcare should be available to all not just the ones who can afford it. But i also realize when the state is modifying a warehouse and refrigerating it so they can house the bodies that won't fit in the morgue!

I am of a different ilk, you want to go out and go to sporting events or concerts, large gatherings, more power to you. But if you end up in ICU well that's on you, all the media can do is provide us with information anyone can take it or leave it.

I just feel for all those people over 20,000, so many more in the world, in the states dying alone and isolated. So sad, do you think any one of them thought they would catch this and die from it? Probably not

You're probably in luck, i imagine tickets will be pretty cheap this year.

Wow that’s strange. Like they recovered and developed anti bodies and yet somehow contracted the disease again? Maybe we’ll hear more about it because I’d imagine that would be big news.
- SimpleJack

Still lots of guessing, but apparently when you have mild symptoms, your body is not going to produce enough antibodies to protect you from contracting the virus again. If your symptoms are more severe and you recover, you are likely going to have enough antibodies to protect you from this coronavirus (sans mutations) for up to a few years.

The odds of those old people getting sick is still low. And they are allowed to decide for themselves.
- mohel

Here's the problem with a highly contagious disease...those people are deciding for themselves *and* everyone with whom they come into contact, in particular the people who do have to go to work and cannot stay home and ride this out - our essential workers. That's what makes it different than many other free to do or not do situations.

There is a reason I'm not on Twitter...

I would be willing to bet quite a bit that Buff never plays again.
- Chunk

yeah, and he doesn't WANT to get into game shape according to team requirements...

Sure he would be a great fan favorite If he didn't clog the back end and wanted to play upfront with friends, but it is truly doubtful that the injuries, family, and focus is on a return...why not honor the fat contract then and stay with the Jets...it isn't like the bridge was completely burned for him there...

The masses need to work, they need to earn to maintain daily livelihood.

At some point you gotta ask yourself “if I’m willing to risk driving my car to work every day when there’s thousands and thousands of car accidents, why not risk potentially getting a fever that I almost certainly won’t die from?”

I think in the next 1-3 months(depending on level of risk in whatever county you live in) it’s going to be imperative for the masses(young and middle aged working class) to return to daily life, and not hide waiting for a vaccine/everyone on the planet to have immunity.
- SimpleJack

No.

You and everybody else has to stop the "bleeding" by staying the frank home, getting a grip on the seriousness of this, so far no one is monitoring contacts ( I write down each place I go) and to take any other stand just prolongs this problem and the economy and jobs are affected for a much longer term.

The answer was a quick action and supporting the socialist ideals of roads, libraries andfunding the research that can help us combat these things b/c they are not going away.

Here's the problem with a highly contagious disease...those people are deciding for themselves *and* everyone with whom they come into contact, in particular the people who do have to go to work and cannot stay home and ride this out - our essential workers. That's what makes it different than many other free to do or not do situations.
- pdx2ord

It is not sustainable. Also, for those in the US, we have Constitutional rights to assemble, practice a religion, etc. They cannot be overruled by proclamation of a governor, mayor or sheriff who decides that I can't travel from one of my homes to another or go for a run on the lakefront or choose to go to Easter services.

No.

You and everybody else has to stop the "bleeding" by staying the frank home, getting a grip on the seriousness of this, so far no one is monitoring contacts ( I write down each place I go) and to take any other stand just prolongs this problem and the economy and jobs are affected for a much longer term.

The answer was a quick action and supporting the socialist ideals of roads, libraries andfunding the research that can help us combat these things b/c they are not going away.
- wiz1901

The shutdown's main purpose was to avoid the health care system being overwhelmed. The models that drove those decisions turn out to have dramatically overestimated the impact on hospitals, even when accounting for social distancing.

The shutdown's main purpose was to avoid the health care system being overwhelmed. The models that drove those decisions turn out to have dramatically overestimated the impact on hospitals, even when accounting for social distancing.
- mohel

It’s probably true that - in many areas (but certainly not all) - the impact so far on the health care system has not been as overwhelming as feared.

Certainly because widespread mitigation works - the social distancing, “shelter in place” orders, eliminating large gatherings, shutting down non-essential businesses...without these measures, the dire predictions would most likely have become reality.

Removing the restrictions too soon will put us right back into it.

You seem to be forgetting about the millions and millions of people, unlike you(apparently), that can’t afford to simply hide inside their house for the next 12-18 months. The masses need to work, they need to earn to maintain daily livelihood.

At some point you gotta ask yourself “if I’m willing to risk driving my car to work every day when there’s thousands and thousands of car accidents, why not risk potentially getting a fever that I almost certainly won’t die from?”

I think in the next 1-3 months(depending on level of risk in whatever county you live in) it’s going to be imperative for the masses(young and middle aged working class) to return to daily life, and not hide waiting for a vaccine/everyone on the planet to have immunity.
- SimpleJack

You got it right...the masses need to work, they need to earn to maintain a reasonable quality of life. To wait for a vaccine that is truly safe might take years. To rely on the Gates foundation for the magic quick vaccine makes me cringe. Remember Gates vaccinations in India has been a total disaster. The lawsuits are in
the millions.

It’s probably true that - in many areas (but certainly not all) - the impact so far on the health care system has not been as overwhelming as feared.

Certainly because widespread mitigation works - the social distancing, “shelter in place” orders, eliminating large gatherings, shutting down non-essential businesses...without these measures, the dire predictions would most likely have become reality.

Removing the restrictions too soon will put us right back into it.
- StLBravesFan

The models included mitigation. Still nowhere near the mark. The models got outside the 95% cone of certainty with a few days after the prediction.

42 states have fewer than 100 deaths per million. Six states have had more deaths that their 10 year average flu season. Six. The impact in the vast majority of the country has been far smaller than early (and more recent) dire predictions. Shutting the economy in those states has much negative impact on the health (psychological, financial and physical), and is serious overkill, imo.

Glad you're well, Sage.

This Sucks !! Now this place sounds like the news .Ther is a place and time for that everyone knows better debate .This is HOCKEY !!!!!!!

You got it right...the masses need to work, they need to earn to maintain a reasonable quality of life. To wait for a vaccine that is truly safe might take years. To rely on the Gates foundation for the magic quick vaccine makes me cringe. Remember Gates vaccinations in India has been a total disaster. The lawsuits are in
the millions.
- spanky

You probably won’t believe any source that contradicts your distorted world view, but there is this:

https://www.snopes.com/fa...ck/bill-gates-india-sued/

No one is relying on a Gates foundation for any “magic quick vaccine” - we are hopeful that scientists in many countries will come up with a reliably tested and effective vaccine by next spring at the earliest.

Occam's Razor is often used as a philosophical rule of thumb to select the most reasonable explanation from among a set of equally plausible explanations, with the principle being the simplest explanation is most often correct.

Why was the governmental response to the Covid-19 pandemic handled so much differently than similar public health crises we've experienced over the past 20-30 years? Were there different motivating factors this time that could account for the difference in response? Something was different this time and it may be totally innocent sets of circumstances that may not be apparent to us yet, or ...

It’s probably true that - in many areas (but certainly not all) - the impact so far on the health care system has not been as overwhelming as feared.

Certainly because widespread mitigation works - the social distancing, “shelter in place” orders, eliminating large gatherings, shutting down non-essential businesses...without these measures, the dire predictions would most likely have become reality.

Removing the restrictions too soon will put us right back into it.
- StLBravesFan

I agree with you about still being cautious, eliminating large gatherings but we have been through 4 different types of super viruses since the AIDS VIRUS OUTBREAK with no lockdowns. With the exception of the old and the young who have other major health issues our immune system has done it's job in fighting off the corona type of viruses.

It’s probably true that - in many areas (but certainly not all) - the impact so far on the health care system has not been as overwhelming as feared.

Certainly because widespread mitigation works - the social distancing, “shelter in place” orders, eliminating large gatherings, shutting down non-essential businesses...without these measures, the dire predictions would most likely have become reality.

Removing the restrictions too soon will put us right back into it.
- StLBravesFan

First of all I respect everyone's opinion. But if the research doctors come up with a vaccine next week how long will it take to make enough for everyone in this country? And how long will it take for everyone to get that shot? I get nuts standing in long lines so I hope it's a pill. But in any case I agree with the last line in your post, restrictions seem to work. I tend to think anyone living week to week would not choose do the right thing and quarantine themselves if they develop symptoms as they would put the paycheck before concern for anyone else.

For the record I'm in my mid 60's. I do not own a business that might be suffering. I still have a day job but not in an office and I can do a lot of it on a computer at home. And I wish everybody the best of luck coping with this.

This Sucks !! Now this place sounds like the news .Ther is a place and time for that everyone knows better debate .This is HOCKEY !!!!!!!
- oldduffman

Let's resume play, without fans.

You probably won’t believe any source that contradicts your distorted world view, but there is this:

https://www.snopes.com/fa...ck/bill-gates-india-sued/

No one is relying on a Gates foundation for any “magic quick vaccine” - we are hopeful that scientists in many countries will come up with a reliably tested and effective vaccine by next spring at the earliest.
- StLBravesFan

Sorry, but snopes is like Wikipedia...distorted more times than true. That's my opinion. Furthermore, IMO the mass media is about how as truthful as 90% of our politicians... And that is bad news my friend.

First of all I respect everyone's opinion. But if the research doctors come up with a vaccine next week how long will it take to make enough for everyone in this country? And how long will it take for everyone to get that shot? I get nuts standing in long lines so I hope it's a pill. But in any case I agree with the last line in your post, restrictions seem to work. I tend to think anyone living week to week would not choose do the right thing and quarantine themselves if they develop symptoms as they would put the paycheck before concern for anyone else.

For the record I'm in my mid 60's. I do not own a business that might be suffering. I still have a day job but not in an office and I can do a lot of it on a computer at home. And I wish everybody the best of luck coping with this.
- 6628

22 million people have become unemployed in the last few months. Depression, anxiety, substance abuse and domestic violence all on the rise, including in states where fewer than 1 in 10,000 have died.

Let's resume play, without fans.
- mohel

Meh.

I’m sure I would feel differently if the Hawks were contenders, but I’m over this season.

Meh.

I’m sure I would feel differently if the Hawks were contenders, but I’m over this season.
- Ogilthorpe2

It does feel like we're into the offseason. If they resume, I'd say go right to the playoffs, with the normal setup.

Are you flying much lately?

Let's resume play, without fans.
- mohel

Let's resume hockey talk without medical advise

Let's resume hockey talk without medical advise
- oldduffman

Feel free to raise a hockey topic.

We may be nearer a return to normal than we thought. Early results from the Stanford antibody test show infections 50-80 times higher in Santa Clarita than is being reported nationally.

https://abcnews.go.com/He...espread/story?id=70206121

If these numbers pan out nationwide, it could mean a few things:
-We may be way closer to herd immunity than first thought
-The fatality rate is significantly lower than originally thought, perhaps approaching the rate of the flu
-The vast majority of those exposed to COVID-19 experience no, or very mild, symptoms
-The much higher flu rates this year may have actually been COVID-19
- COVID-19 may have been in California as early as the fall of 2019.

FWIW, I was sick in mid-January, my doctor wrote it off to 'the flu' even though I had a flu shot in the fall. I took the antibody test on Wednesday. Results next week.
- scottak

Same with me, sicker than I've ever been in late Jan after being in NYC and Sarasota.

Gone in 36 hours, body aches like I've never had, fever spiked to 103.8 during the first night.

Wanting to get the antibody test.

Feel free to raise a hockey topic.
- mohel

Woops sorry, back to hockey.