Sure, in the same way that signing a 31yo defenseman that plays a physical game for more than $5.5M and is likely to see his body start to break down is a "almost certainly" a "possibility" to be a disaster for a team who has a defensive corps that's largely replacement-level and has no cap space
- eichiefs9

Not really in the same way. Banking on a career year becoming the norm is not really the same as signing a veteran who you know is declining. Muzzin at least has a long track record of being a pretty good dman.

But yes, by the END of that contract, he'll be in his mid 30s, a point at which very few players in the NHL are still good, so the last couple of years could be problematic. Highly doubtful the first 2 years are an issue.

Pageau could be overpaid a full 6 years. Again, not horrendously, but a couple mil. We'll see what happens. It's not a gamble I would have taken.

Islander fans defend the Pageau deal but Nylander was millions overpaid.
- RogerRoeper

Calm down chief.

Yeah, it is funny though, how much flak Dubas got for signing Nylander to $7M around here. I'd take Nylander at $7M over Pageau at $5M every day of the week, twice on Sunday.

Keep in mind, that's apples and oranges a little bit though. UFA vs RFA.

Yes completely
- RogerRoeper

Not really in the same way. Banking on a career year becoming the norm is not really the same as signing a veteran who you know is declining. Muzzin at least has a long track record of being a pretty good dman.

But yes, by the END of that contract, he'll be in his mid 30s, a point at which very few players in the NHL are still good, so the last couple of years could be problematic. Highly doubtful the first 2 years are an issue.

Pageau could be overpaid a full 6 years. Again, not horrendously, but a couple mil. We'll see what happens. It's not a gamble I would have taken.
- prock

How exactly is it possible to overpay a guy by "a couple mil" that didn't even get a $2M raise from what he was making? That make literally no sense.

Link?


Pageau is a fine deal but Nylander was a disaster. LOL
- RogerRoeper

Youi probably did. You say a lot of stupid things like that.

Calm down chief.

Yeah, it is funny though, how much flak Dubas got for signing Nylander to $7M around here. I'd take Nylander at $7M over Pageau at $5M every day of the week, twice on Sunday.

Keep in mind, that's apples and oranges a little bit though. UFA vs RFA.
- prock

That spastic monkey has been popping up like herpes in the Islanders thread all year spouting off about Nelson vs. Nylander, for some inexplicable reason, despite not literally one single regular poster there ever even remotely coming close to saying that Nylander's contract was bad or Nylander wasn't a great player.

How exactly is it possible to overpay a guy by "a couple mil" that didn't even get a $2M raise from what he was making? That make literally no sense.
- eichiefs9

Becaue he was adequately paid for what he brings to the table?

So, if David Clarkson only got a couple mil more than he was getting paid, that makes it just fine?

That spastic monkey has been popping up like herpes in the Islanders thread all year spouting off about Nelson vs. Nylander, for some inexplicable reason, despite not literally one single regular poster there ever even remotely coming close to saying that Nylander's contract was bad or Nylander wasn't a great player.
- eichiefs9

There was a PILE of criticism around here about Nylander's contract. I have no idea exactly who, nor do I care. It's typical. And funny enough, it's turned out to be a fantastic contract. It's working out to be one of the better contracts in the league, pretty quickly. (before anyone jumps, I said "one of").

Calm down chief.

Yeah, it is funny though, how much flak Dubas got for signing Nylander to $7M around here. I'd take Nylander at $7M over Pageau at $5M every day of the week, twice on Sunday.

Keep in mind, that's apples and oranges a little bit though. UFA vs RFA.
- prock

Complete double standard. By age 21 Nylander had 2 61 point seasons with pretty crappy PP time and rather "Meh" 5 on 5 TOI by Babcock. Nylander was also signed through his prime years only. Pageau begins his 6 year deal at age 28. That's when Nylander's ends.

Teams will lineup for Nylander. Pageau is a deal that'll be very tough to move.

That spastic monkey has been popping up like herpes in the Islanders thread all year spouting off about Nelson vs. Nylander, for some inexplicable reason, despite not literally one single regular poster there ever even remotely coming close to saying that Nylander's contract was bad or Nylander wasn't a great player.
- eichiefs9

Spastic monkey. 😂 Dubas did receive alot of flak for Nylander's contract. But most fans knew Nylander was only having a bad season because he held out and wasn't in proper game shape. I figured he'd rebound and return to playing like his normal self which he has.

Roeper has this weird need to paint the Leafs as being picked on by other fanbases. Especially Isles fans. The whole victim mentality shtick. He recently said Auston Matthews was underrated. What? He's one of the highest paid players in the NHL! Always rated as one of the top 5 players in the league. It's always Leafs vs the rest of the world with him.

That spastic monkey has been popping up like herpes in the Islanders thread all year spouting off about Nelson vs. Nylander, for some inexplicable reason, despite not literally one single regular poster there ever even remotely coming close to saying that Nylander's contract was bad or Nylander wasn't a great player.
- eichiefs9

Oh please drop the crap

There was a PILE of criticism around here about Nylander's contract. I have no idea exactly who, nor do I care. It's typical. And funny enough, it's turned out to be a fantastic contract. It's working out to be one of the better contracts in the league, pretty quickly. (before anyone jumps, I said "one of").
- prock

I'm sure there was criticism, but none of that has to do with the fact that he shows up in threads that have nothing to do with the Leafs or Nylander or his contract and repeatedly screams it in everyone's face for some reason

Spastic monkey. 😂 Dubas did receive alot of flak for Nylander's contract. But most fans knew Nylander was only having a bad season because he held out and wasn't in proper game shape. I figured he'd rebound and return to playing like his normal self which he has.

Roeper has this weird need to paint the Leafs as being picked on by other fanbases. Especially Isles fans. The whole victim mentality shtick. He recently said Auston Matthews was underrated. What? He's one of the highest paid players in the NHL! Always rated as one of the top 5 players in the league. It's always Leafs vs the rest of the world with him.
- gergeswillems

Where?

Becaue he was adequately paid for what he brings to the table?

So, if David Clarkson only got a couple mil more than he was getting paid, that makes it just fine?
- prock

Ah yes, Pageau wasn't going to get any raise. I forgot how that always happens in the NHL.

Complete double standard. By age 21 Nylander had 2 61 point seasons with pretty crappy PP time and rather "Meh" 5 on 5 TOI by Babcock. Nylander was also signed through his prime years only. Pageau begins his 6 year deal at age 28. That's when Nylander's ends.

Teams will lineup for Nylander. Pageau is a deal that'll be very tough to move.
- RogerRoeper

No one is comparing Pageau to Nylander. Nylander is much more valuable. Duh. It doesn't mean Pageau is a bad player.

Where?
- RogerRoeper

Where is he not?

Oh please drop the crap
- RogerRoeper

Take your own advice.

Complete double standard. By age 21 Nylander had 2 61 point seasons with pretty crappy PP time and rather "Meh" 5 on 5 TOI by Babcock. Nylander was also signed through his prime years only. Pageau begins his 6 year deal at age 28. That's when Nylander's ends.

Teams will lineup for Nylander. Pageau is a deal that'll be very tough to move.
- RogerRoeper

I think it has a pretty solid chance of becoming an issue, yes, but it's not a certainty like you're claiming.

How exactly is it possible to overpay a guy by "a couple mil" that didn't even get a $2M raise from what he was making? That make literally no sense.
- eichiefs9

Yeah I think I'd rather give Pageau around $4 million myself, but I mean if Jay Beagle can get a $3 million per year deal, Pageau could probably get $5 on the open market.

Ah yes, Pageau wasn't going to get any raise. I forgot how that always happens in the NHL.
- eichiefs9

No, it doesn't always happen, but it happens to players who don't show they're worth more than they make.

Not every player gets a raise at the end of RFA. Some don't even get contracts. Short of arbitration, what they made previously is irrelevant. If Nylander regresses to a 35 point player, he's not going to get a raise "just cuz he was making $7M before".

I think it has a pretty solid chance of becoming an issue, yes, but it's not a certainty like you're claiming.
- prock

Big concern is Islanders have a few of those deals. They have sunk a ton of $ into bottom 6 guys.

Pay your stars. Don't overpay aging supporting talent. lou does not get that.

Pay your stars. Don't overpay aging supporting talent. lou does not get that.

Spastic monkey. 😂 Dubas did receive alot of flak for Nylander's contract. But most fans knew Nylander was only having a bad season because he held out and wasn't in proper game shape. I figured he'd rebound and return to playing like his normal self which he has.

Roeper has this weird need to paint the Leafs as being picked on by other fanbases. Especially Isles fans. The whole victim mentality shtick. He recently said Auston Matthews was underrated. What? He's one of the highest paid players in the NHL! Always rated as one of the top 5 players in the league. It's always Leafs vs the rest of the world with him.
- gergeswillems

Roeper's posts are stupid, yep.

But in fairness, when Matthews was rated very highly by TSN in preseason stuff, this place went ape poop. And went on about him not being top 20 or 30, or such. It happened 2 years in a row.

No, it doesn't always happen, but it happens to players who don't show they're worth more than they make.

Not every player gets a raise at the end of RFA. Some don't even get contracts. Short of arbitration, what they made previously is irrelevant. If Nylander regresses to a 35 point player, he's not going to get a raise "just cuz he was making $7M before".
- prock

Man you guys love shoe-horning Nylander into every conversation for some reason