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sokosteve
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Gwangyang
Joined: 06.24.2018

Aug 24 @ 9:57 PM ET
So a former fiend with an insular world view attempts to tell others "how it is". Adorable. Yes you should stay away from the crack pookie. I also don't do drugs anymore, but intermitteltly partied throughout my twenties with no issues like most people. Sorry you coudln't control yourself and it became an issue honey boy. Your expeience is one of many, but not everyone's. Demonizing drugs won't make them go away. Personal responsibility will.

You should be all mad and say more stuff. I know you will. I am confident I will be amused.

- TRDevil


I also know people who are able to pick it up and put it down. They are the overwhelming minority. Consider yourself lucky.

And no, I wasn't the one with the problem. But, myself and others got a lot of the blowback from good people who lost themselves. You are trying to argue from the standpoint of the tiny percentage of people who don't develop dependencies and go off the rails, so to speak.

Clearly, you touched a nerve and your assumptions about someone you don't know tweaked that. As for anger, your kind are easily dismissed before I would allow myself to be angry.

So, instead of being a douchebag, if you've got something to offer, do it articulately and without out the inane bluster of a simpleton next time.
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Aug 24 @ 10:00 PM ET
One of the most deadly addictions is etoh. More people die of addiction to alcohol and associated medical complications every year than any other drug combined.
- ChrisMS

Of course it is. It has been around for thousands of years, and you can buy it 24/7 at millions of places across the U.S.
But it tastes sooooooo gooooood.
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Aug 24 @ 10:12 PM ET
Like I said, you can read perspectives on other approaches to drug laws if you want, it's a complex issue.
- Zezel

I am aware that other countries have different laws concerning drugs.
Unfortunately in North America a large majority of the population are (frank)ing idiots that make stupid choices (myself included) that easy access to any illicit drug of choice would most likely increase fatalities......however in the long run and considering Darwinism, if those people are bread out of the population, in theory the drug problem would go away. So you may be onto something there with legalization.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Aug 24 @ 10:19 PM ET
I also know people who are able to pick it up and put it down. They are the overwhelming minority. Consider yourself lucky.

And no, I wasn't the one with the problem. But, myself and others got a lot of the blowback from good people who lost themselves. You are trying to argue from the standpoint of the tiny percentage of people who don't develop dependencies and go off the rails, so to speak.

Clearly, you touched a nerve and your assumptions about someone you don't know tweaked that. As for anger, your kind are easily dismissed before I would allow myself to be angry.

So, instead of being a douchebag, if you've got something to offer, do it articulately and without out the inane bluster of a simpleton next time.

- sokosteve


Actually, the vast majority of drug users don't become addicts. Addiction is a serious issue, but it's the minority.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Aug 24 @ 10:21 PM ET
I am aware that other countries have different laws concerning drugs.
Unfortunately in North America a large majority of the population are (frank)ing idiots that make stupid choices (myself included) that easy access to any illicit drug of choice would most likely increase fatalities......however in the long run and considering Darwinism, if those people are bread out of the population, in theory the drug problem would go away. So you may be onto something there with legalization.

- ruttager17

The thing is, access is easy already. It's just a black market. Getting people help instead of putting them in prison (where it's also easy to get drugs) seems to work.
TRDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toms River, NJ
Joined: 04.04.2014

Aug 24 @ 10:23 PM ET
I also know people who are able to pick it up and put it down. They are the overwhelming minority. Consider yourself lucky.

And no, I wasn't the one with the problem. But, myself and others got a lot of the blowback from good people who lost themselves. You are trying to argue from the standpoint of the tiny percentage of people who don't develop dependencies and go off the rails, so to speak.

Clearly, you touched a nerve and your assumptions about someone you don't know tweaked that. As for anger, your kind are easily dismissed before I would allow myself to be angry.

So, instead of being a douchebag, if you've got something to offer, do it articulately and without out the inane bluster of a simpleton next time.

- sokosteve


I wholeheartedly disagree and think there are far more situations that do not involve an addiction or some major problem than the unfortunate situations that you hear about. An example there are millions of law abiding gun owners, and a handful of situations where bad people with mostly illegal guns do stupid things and that is what you hear about. Statistical reality vs percieved existential threat.

With party drugs, like cocaine, in this day and age, most people just hang out and enjoy the scenery when they can and have a good time, then go back to their little cubicles on Monday morning and go through their punchlists, etc. like after any other weekend. Nobody broadcasts that because there is no need to. The vast majority of people just low key chill and that is okay. No need to pump fear. Maybe I am Satan and I want you to burn like matches; or maybe we as a society are overhyping and therefore perpetuating drug problems. Alchoholism also. "It's a disease" is bullpoop. Its a for profit business is more like it. Personal responsibilty and strong people are what a good society is made up of. Not taboos and rules.
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Aug 24 @ 10:29 PM ET
Actually, the vast majority of drug users don't become addicts. Addiction is a serious issue, but it's the minority.
- Zezel

What is the criteria you are using for determining a person has become an addict? And to which drugs are you referring?
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Aug 24 @ 10:36 PM ET
The thing is, access is easy already. It's just a black market. Getting people help instead of putting them in prison (where it's also easy to get drugs) seems to work.
- Zezel

I agree treating a disease is a far better strategy than just locking someone up in a place where that disease continues to be fed.
However the goal should be to eradicate said disease from the population so that you no longer have to treat it.
So do you eliminate the supply? Or the demand? Which is pretty much a chicken or the egg argument.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Aug 24 @ 11:01 PM ET
Of course it is. It has been around for thousands of years, and you can buy it 24/7 at millions of places across the U.S.
But it tastes sooooooo gooooood.

- ruttager17


What exactly is your argument? Because this response and your other responses throughout this thread lack any real sound reasoning. Then after many of your posts there are weird faces that are apparently in a corn eating contest?
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Aug 24 @ 11:09 PM ET
What exactly is your argument? Because this response and your other responses throughout this thread lack any real sound reasoning. Then after many of your posts there are weird faces that are apparently in a corn eating contest?
- ChrisMS

My post simply served to confirm reasons why your post was accurate.
Somehow from that you assume I am arguing? Why so insecure and defensive?

I also understand why you think my other posts lack sound reasoning as from reading your earlier post, you clearly were mandated to treatment long after permanent damage had been done. Society has a long way to go before we can get help for people like you before it is too late. The stigma surrounding mental health is very frustrating.
DrunkFan
Joined: 02.26.2018

Aug 24 @ 11:40 PM ET
I've been around a lot of people that have used coke sporadically, just like some people drink occasionally and people smoke the odd joint.
- golfingsince


Why aren’t you ‘special’
TOGENIUS
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Doha, ON
Joined: 09.06.2018

Aug 24 @ 11:44 PM ET
Don’t worry if Trudeau gets a second term he might make it legal it for all Peoplekind lol.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Aug 25 @ 12:03 AM ET
My post simply served to confirm reasons why your post was accurate.
Somehow from that you assume I am arguing? Why so insecure and defensive?

I also understand why you think my other posts lack sound reasoning as from reading your earlier post, you clearly were mandated to treatment long after permanent damage had been done. Society has a long way to go before we can get help for people like you before it is too late. The stigma surrounding mental health is very frustrating.

- ruttager17


I appreciate your insight into the stigma. It’s refreshing to know that a young man? (Child?) like yourself has said unsight. Some suggestions from an older wiser man. If you want to look older than you are avoid the weird moving faces. Goodnight! Stay in school!
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Aug 25 @ 12:14 AM ET
I appreciate your insight into the stigma. It’s refreshing to know that a young man? (Child?) like yourself has said unsight. Some suggestions from an older wiser man. If you want to look older than you are avoid the weird moving faces. Goodnight! Stay in school!
- ChrisMS

Why would I want to look older, or act how "society" says I should act at my age? I appreciate the suggestion, however I am comfortable with myself, and not too concerned what others think.
Not caring what others think about you, is something you should give a try sometime.
Za Warudo
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 04.20.2019

Aug 25 @ 12:23 AM ET
Don’t worry if Trudeau gets a second term he might make it legal it for all Peoplekind lol.
- TOGENIUS


If you kill your enemies, they win!
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Aug 25 @ 12:28 AM ET
Im not sure the use of cocaine has anything to do with pain relief. Cocaine use is rampant in most hockey leagues from the junior level right through to the NHL. Its a party drug and every road trip is a party. There is a reason they dont test for cocaine in the NHL, because 75% of the league would fail and there would be no one left to play.
- Rev

Yup

Honestly coulda just ended the comments after this one.
buster29
New York Islanders
Location: London, ON
Joined: 07.03.2019

Aug 25 @ 12:43 AM ET
Maroon signs with the Lightning for $900k... Didn't see that coming.
Komisaurus Rex
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Guhle is already the McJesus of defense , ON
Joined: 06.14.2009

Aug 25 @ 2:34 AM ET
Don’t worry if Trudeau gets a second term he might make it legal it for all Peoplekind lol.
- TOGENIUS


Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Aug 25 @ 2:55 AM ET
FIRST!!!










any habs rumours?!?










nuff said
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Aug 25 @ 2:59 AM ET

- Komisaurus Rex

lmfaooooo
SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Aug 25 @ 3:49 AM ET
Drugs, sex, guns, social media, poopty music, smart phones, tweets....that’s all this pathetic race is amounting to. One giant cluster (frank) of retards strangled by banks, corporations, and overpopulation...and too stupid and distracted by nonsenses to correct anything.

I don’t get why we exist in the first place. Cancerous to the planet and environment. No natural predators. No place in the food chain. We’re a virus.
PavohnDatsvares
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.03.2016

Aug 25 @ 4:26 AM ET
Well fortunately for Kuznetsov and other pro athletes, the organizations that employ them do care what they put in their own bodies.
But the world you want to live in where doctors, nurses, teachers, pilots, bus drivers, taxi drivers, engineers, etc, etc, can put whatever they want into their own bodies, sounds like a great SNL skit.

- ruttager17


Like I said in my first post, don't show up to work drunk or high. Think of this exactly as alcohol. A school bus driver or doctor or whatever can drink as much as they want on the weekend. I think we can all agree MOST people in North America drink, and many smoke weed and other stuff. Yet most people function and do their job and take care of their responsibilities. Absolutely no SNL skits here.
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: U Jealous of my Meteor
Joined: 01.29.2013

Aug 25 @ 10:28 AM ET
The real issue here is not the cocaine. The real issue is, if he will ingest cocaine, then what else will he ingest? It's not a stretch to imagine that a known drug user might use more than one illegal or banned substance. Coke is arguably worse than many performance-enhancing drugs, so what else is he doing?

rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 25 @ 11:28 AM ET
20 something rich guys doing coke...not exactly suprising.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Aug 25 @ 11:55 AM ET
Drugs, sex, guns, social media, poopty music, smart phones, tweets....that’s all this pathetic race is amounting to. One giant cluster (frank) of retards strangled by banks, corporations, and overpopulation...and too stupid and distracted by nonsenses to correct anything.

I don’t get why we exist in the first place. Cancerous to the planet and environment. No natural predators. No place in the food chain. We’re a virus.

- SimpleJack

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