Glad that he finally got caught. However what I don't understand is his 4 year suspension from the IHF means really nothing if not doesn't affect his NHL career and contract?

The NHL should suspend him for a minimum of 1 full season from playing hockey. The capitals organization can help him get treatment and monitor his progress and to me sitting out 1 full year with no pay might be a great wake up call as well.
- Taylorst1

Are you fahqing crazy? So if you did drugs on your personal time, your employer would be justified in suspending you without pay for a YEAR?!?!

Anyone who thinks NHLers do coke for a bit in their down time and then simply turn it off is delusional. You don't simply stop doing coke, especially if you have the money to keep doing it.

And legalize it? Geezus. The money saved on the war on drugs would be tripled in emergency room costs alone.

Absolutely mind-blowing drug that unfortunately controls, manipulates, and destroys the user, physically and mentally.

Your post suggests you don't have all the facts, so let me fill you in.

Image of him is posted online sitting next to cocaine in hotel room and he says he has not or does not use drugs. His positive test at the worlds is literally from only a few days before he vehemently denies using cocaine.

So he basically (frank)ed himself for lying to the NHL, and now it would be difficult to believe him if he said "I only use during the off-season, or during IIHF sanctioned events".
- ruttager17

Your information offers nothing to change my stance. I don't give a crap what people decide to put in their own bodies. That's their business. As a professional athlete, he has rules to abide by, yes. But my sentiment remains.

If it's anything like the Lieberals disastrous approach to marijuana legalization then no thanks. It was never about people having access to medicine, safe use or "protecting kids" it's always been about lining their pockets with more of our tax money to blow on stupid sh!t because it's not their money.
- Komisaurus Rex

Yea stupid poop, like the drug war. How do you suppose we "pay for that"? Can't be taxes could it? Naah, not that. Just like my taxes going to fascist war mongering and resource colonization under dubious reasons to say the least (for decades) I am sure there is plenty those on all sides of the debate could find they don't like being done with our tax money.

Glad that he finally got caught. However what I don't understand is his 4 year suspension from the IHF means really nothing if not doesn't affect his NHL career and contract?

The NHL should suspend him for a minimum of 1 full season from playing hockey. The capitals organization can help him get treatment and monitor his progress and to me sitting out 1 full year with no pay might be a great wake up call as well.
- Taylorst1

The NHL can't simply circumvent the current CBA and change what is listed as suspend able substances that a player tests positive for.

However the CBA contains a clause giving the commissioner the power to discipline players for off-ice conduct "detrimental to or against the welfare of the league or the game of hockey."

Legalize coke. It’ll probably happen in 20 years, anyway - in Canada, at least.

It’ll screw up the cartels - taking away their main source of cash. Making life a bit safer for those living in Mexico and Central/South America. It would also legitimize the economic aspect of coca farmers.

If coke is manufactured in labs, it’ll likely be a less dangerous product for consumers.

Then tax it like you’d tax booze, smokes and pot.

This’ll be one of the major planks in my campaign platform as I run for Prime Minister in a couple of months.
- JetsRawk

Finally.

Anyone who thinks NHLers do coke for a bit in their down time and then simply turn it off is delusional. You don't simply stop doing coke, especially if you have the money to keep doing it.

And legalize it? Geezus. The money saved on the war on drugs would be tripled in emergency room costs alone.

Absolutely mind-blowing drug that unfortunately controls, manipulates, and destroys the user, physically and mentally.
- sokosteve

This post is far too concise, factual, logical, realistic and sophisticated for this thread.

Your information offers nothing to change my stance. I don't give a crap what people decide to put in their own bodies. That's their business. As a professional athlete, he has rules to abide by, yes. But my sentiment remains.
- PavohnDatsvares

Well fortunately for Kuznetsov and other pro athletes, the organizations that employ them do care what they put in their own bodies.
But the world you want to live in where doctors, nurses, teachers, pilots, bus drivers, taxi drivers, engineers, etc, etc, can put whatever they want into their own bodies, sounds like a great SNL skit.

Anyone who thinks NHLers do coke for a bit in their down time and then simply turn it off is delusional. You don't simply stop doing coke, especially if you have the money to keep doing it.

And legalize it? Geezus. The money saved on the war on drugs would be tripled in emergency room costs alone.

Absolutely mind-blowing drug that unfortunately controls, manipulates, and destroys the user, physically and mentally.
- sokosteve

"Absolutely mind-blowing drug that unfortunately controls, manipulates, and destroys the user, physically and mentally".

What a load of tripe. Maybe you aren't aware of this, but everyone has a different level of self control. For you to assume through a clearly ironic distance that anyone who has ever done cocaine, is a mindless drug controlled robot that can't occasionally have some fun without having some kind of problem is pretty obtuse. Drugs are fun and people are stupid and weak. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. You sound like a real afterschool special dork preaching that sky is falling nonsense. You obviously have no idea wtf you are talking about.

So you are suggesting that’s why Marner need 12.7 mill! So he can afford quality Coke?!?! 🥳
- Landsbergfan

No. He only needs 11.5 million....so he can get the same quality Coke Matthews snorts...

I know you want to defend your team at all costs but what it is now is not legalization it's prohibition 2.0. Just another way for them to take more money from us. Keep supporting them though!




- Komisaurus Rex

I'm an independent and I have a lot of problems with the current Liberal government, as I also did with the Harper regime. However legalization was a common sense move. To say it is prohibition 2.0 is absurd. They legalized it.

The implementation of sales models I disagree with, but that's been handled at the provincial level so that's another matter.

Anyone who thinks NHLers do coke for a bit in their down time and then simply turn it off is delusional. You don't simply stop doing coke, especially if you have the money to keep doing it.

And legalize it? Geezus. The money saved on the war on drugs would be tripled in emergency room costs alone.

Absolutely mind-blowing drug that unfortunately controls, manipulates, and destroys the user, physically and mentally.
- sokosteve

They legalized drugs in Portugal and drug deaths decreased. The US has severe drug penalties and usage and deaths are epidemic.

Are you fahqing crazy? So if you did drugs on your personal time, your employer would be justified in suspending you without pay for a YEAR?!?!
- PavohnDatsvares

You are delusional uninformed and quite frankly uneducated and out of touch with reality.

The difference between a avg person doing drugs on his or her own time no company can fire you for it unless it's during work hours or if a contract was signed when hired specifically.


In any professional sports these players sign multi million dollar contracts they are drug tested , and represent the team, organization therefore they can be fired , suspended without pay. It would go to arbitration because all sports are backed by a union .


So yes as a owner and league he should be suspended without pay.
It's not like he is poor , far from it so he can handle sitting out a year and not be struggling for money.
Clearly he has money if he is snorting that stuff up his nose

The NHL can't simply circumvent the current CBA and change what is listed as suspend able substances that a player tests positive for.

However the CBA contains a clause giving the commissioner the power to discipline players for off-ice conduct "detrimental to or against the welfare of the league or the game of hockey."
- ruttager17

I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't be in their contracts? These are multi million dollar contracts/ investments.

"Absolutely mind-blowing drug that unfortunately controls, manipulates, and destroys the user, physically and mentally".

What a load of tripe. Maybe you aren't aware of this, but everyone has a different level of self control. For you to assume through a clearly ironic distance that anyone who has ever done cocaine, is a mindless drug controlled robot that can't occasionally have some fun without having some kind of problem is pretty obtuse. Drugs are fun and people are stupid and weak. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. You sound like a real afterschool special dork preaching that sky is falling nonsense. You obviously have no idea wtf you are talking about.
- TRDevil

Someone obviously ran out of welfare and is super angry he can't get his fix. You'd better go break into some cars and see what you can find.

I speak from experience, cupcake.

"Absolutely mind-blowing drug that unfortunately controls, manipulates, and destroys the user, physically and mentally".

What a load of tripe. Maybe you aren't aware of this, but everyone has a different level of self control. For you to assume through a clearly ironic distance that anyone who has ever done cocaine, is a mindless drug controlled robot that can't occasionally have some fun without having some kind of problem is pretty obtuse. Drugs are fun and people are stupid and weak. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. You sound like a real afterschool special dork preaching that sky is falling nonsense. You obviously have no idea wtf you are talking about.
- TRDevil

And ya wanna talk irony, titwad? Look at your bloody pic!

They legalized drugs in Portugal and drug deaths decreased. The US has severe drug penalties and usage and deaths are epidemic.
- Zezel

And obviously anything done in one country in the world, will ultimately yield the exact same results if done in a completely different country, with a completely different culture.

In other news "Scientists shocked when same experiment conducted in two very different environments, does not yield same results".

I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't be in their contracts? These are multi million dollar contracts/ investments.
- Taylorst1

Contracts have to comply with the CBA as well. I suppose a Theo Fleury type player looking for one last chance could have some kind of clause put in if they were desperate enough. Not sure the union would go for it though.

And obviously anything done in one country in the world, will ultimately yield the exact same results if done in a completely different country, with a completely different culture.

In other news "Scientists shocked when same experiment conducted in two very different environments, does not yield same results".
- ruttager17

There is a rationale for why Portugal's approach is effective and the American War On Drugs has failed. You can read about it if you want. It sounds like you support continuing the same failed approach which is odd for someone referencing science.

What a load of tripe. Maybe you aren't aware of this, but everyone has a different level of self control.
- TRDevil

Yes and a lot of the time, self-control goes out the window when you're hooked no matter how strong-willed you (think) you are. Coke (and other similar drugs) is on a whole new level - much different than booze, or pot.

Anyone who thinks NHLers do coke for a bit in their down time and then simply turn it off is delusional. You don't simply stop doing coke, especially if you have the money to keep doing it.

And legalize it? Geezus. The money saved on the war on drugs would be tripled in emergency room costs alone.

Absolutely mind-blowing drug that unfortunately controls, manipulates, and destroys the user, physically and mentally.
- sokosteve

I've been around a lot of people that have used coke sporadically, just like some people drink occasionally and people smoke the odd joint.

Yes and a lot of the time, self-control goes out the window when you're hooked no matter how strong-willed you (think) you are. Coke (and other similar drugs) is on a whole new level - much different than booze, or pot.
- Panzer_IVA

One of the most deadly addictions is etoh. More people die of addiction to alcohol and associated medical complications every year than any other drug combined.

There is a rationale for why Portugal's approach is effective and the American War On Drugs has failed. You can read about it if you want. It sounds like you support continuing the same failed approach which is odd for someone referencing science.
- Zezel

My post will obviously sound to you like whatever it is you want it to be to support your belief system.
It would be great if simply cherry picking statistics from one country (while also believing correlation equals causation) means it would magically work and yield the same results if the US legalized all drugs.
Please google "confirmation bias".

Someone obviously ran out of welfare and is super angry he can't get his fix. You'd better go break into some cars and see what you can find.

I speak from experience, cupcake.
- sokosteve

So a former fiend with an insular world view attempts to tell others "how it is". Adorable. Yes you should stay away from the crack pookie. I also don't do drugs anymore, but intermitteltly partied throughout my twenties with no issues like most people. Sorry you coudln't control yourself and it became an issue honey boy. Your expeience is one of many, but not everyone's. Demonizing drugs won't make them go away. Personal responsibility will.

You should be all mad and say more stuff. I know you will. I am confident I will be amused.

My post will obviously sound to you like whatever it is you want it to be to support your belief system.
It would be great if simply cherry picking statistics from one country (while also believing correlation equals causation) means it would magically work and yield the same results if the US legalized all drugs.
Please google "confirmation bias".


- ruttager17

Like I said, you can read perspectives on other approaches to drug laws if you want, it's a complex issue.