Wow... this is more idiotic than anything Garf says

Because he’s about to be evicted for non-payment of rent.
- Atomic Wedgie

Off to Seattle Krakken he goes then.

So Bud fans who is more valuable Marner or Mathews? One shows up every night and the other not so. One works PP and PK the other only PP? Mathews to Coyotes for a boatload. I like Marner long term as he brings me to my feet more.
- Jeeps

This is a major league softball right down the middle of the plate. 😂

In the words of Tom Hardy from Mad Max.... points at Eks blog.... That’s Bait!!

the rumors resurfaced because you started them

Wow... this is more idiotic than anything Garf says
- doctordizzle

We all recall Freakorenko and the Latvian Locomotive!

I’m guessing the confusion arises in that some people think that the Leafs would have to remove Horton from LTIR for an hour before the start of the season, then put him back on LTIR.

This is not the case.
- Atomic Wedgie

There is an advantage to being able to do that if you can because it maximizes you cap space. If you can do it but you don't have to.

I’m guessing the confusion arises in that some people think that the Leafs would have to remove Horton from LTIR for an hour before the start of the season, then put him back on LTIR.

This is not the case.
- Atomic Wedgie

LTIR is not a seperate shelf that a player is put on and removed from, where his cap hit is on the books and then off the books

His cap hit is ALWAYS on the books, his cap hit always counts. when a player is designated LTIR, the team is allowed to exceed the cap by his contract amount

(Technically Team cap total, plus value of LTIR contract minus upper cap limit)

So a team with an 81 million dollar cap with a 5.3 million dollar LTIR player on an 81.5 million dollar upper limit would receive 4.8 million in cap relief

81 + 5.3 - 81.5 = 4.8

In this case this teams cap for the 2019/2020 season would essentially become 86.3 million. That is their new upper limit for the entire season. The LTIR player would always be part of the cap calculation (The 5.3 is NOT simply removed from the 81.5)

This is why GM's get as close to the cap as they can (usually by calling up AHLers before the season) Then when they designate LTIR, they get maximum cap relief (the highest possible upper limit)

They can then send down the unneeded AHLers and open up additional space under their new 86.3 million cap, in this example

LOL, No it isn't back on the table..In fact it was never on the table to begin with.

LTIR is not a seperate shelf that a player is put on and removed from, where his cap hit is on the books and then off the books

His cap hit is ALWAYS on the books, his cap hit always counts. when a player is designated LTIR, the team is allowed to exceed the cap by his contract amount

(Technically Team cap total, plus value of LTIR contract minus upper cap limit)

So a team with an 81 million dollar cap with a 5.3 million dollar LTIR player on an 81.5 million dollar upper limit would receive 4.8 million in cap relief

81 + 5.3 - 81.5 = 4.8

In this case this teams cap for the 2019/2020 season would essentially become 86.3 million. That is their new upper limit for the entire season. The LTIR player would always be part of the cap calculation

This is why GM's get as close to the cap as they can (usually by calling up AHLers before the season) Then when they designate LTIR, they get maximum cap relief (the highest possible upper limit)

They can then send down the unneeded AHLers and open up additional space under their new 86.3 million cap, in this example
- RoloTahmasee

All of that is true but that has zero to do with what you stated previously.

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq
Can LTIR be used in the off-season?

"Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days."


As you can see, the player not being available to play at the beginning of the season is a pre-requisite for placing the player on LTIR during the off season.
- MJL

I have never said you can not use LTIR in the offseason

I have said there is a difference between the offseason use of LTIR and the regular season use of LTIR

NOTE:

They can have him on offseason LTIR now for purposes of going 10% over the cap due to it being the offseason

He has to be on their cap and on their books on Day 1 of the season, and the Leafs need to be cap compliant when that happens. At that point he can be moved to regular LTIR and the additional 5.3 million in capspace opens up

There's a difference, look it up
- RoloTahmasee

I believe there was an article that said Dermot and Hyman would\could be put on LITR on Day 1 of the season as well.

All of that is true but that has zero to do with what you stated previously.
- MJL

You need to work on your reading comprehension

Can’t see a team overpaying for one year only to risk Marner screwing them over next year by doing it again with a different team.

That's for purposes of offseason LTIR

That buys you the 10% cushion PLUS the LTIR value

You still have to be cap compliant at the start of the season BEFORE you put the player on regular LTIR

Common misconception is that when a player is LTIR his cap hit simply disappears, This is NOT true. A team at the point of putting a player on LTIR is allowed to exceed the cap to a certain amount, up to the cap hit of said LTIR player (different calculation - it is not necessarily the exact cap hit of the LTIR player)
- RoloTahmasee

This is assuming the player has passed his team physical in that year; Horton has not and will not.

You can't activate a player that is physically unable to play, and per the CBA, it is within the Commissioner's discretion to investigate anything that appears to be intentional circumvention of this rule.

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

Can LTIR be used in the off-season?
Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.

At the start of the season the teams LTIR relief & ACSL is recalculated when the 10% cushion is removed.

You need to work on your reading comprehension
- RoloTahmasee

You're wrong man. Take the L.

Gotta get those clicks eh Ek? 😂
- gergeswillems

Jesus, it is so bad now he can't even spend more than 5 minutes making up new garbage.

KomiSally Rex probably feels tingly now and he doesn't understand what is happening.

A high ranking league executive just told me via alien telepathy that RFA Mitch Marner is scared of the Leafs signing PTOs Freddy Modin and Nik Antropov. This is forcing Marner to contemplate signing a 1 year offer sheet with the Habs who are looking to make a HUGE SPLASH!
- gergeswillems

This is a lie. My cat told me that Freddy Modin is signing a PTO with Colorado to scare Rantanen.

The most realistic offer sheet Marner would get and possibly sign would be on for 4 years at 10.5 million

Marners Benefit

a) Because it gets him to UFA at 25 (Then he can get a huge payday)

b) Because the Leafs probably match and he gets to stay there

Offering Teams Benefit

a) It only costs 2 1sts a 2nd and a 3rd

b) They get him for a *reasonable* cap hit for 4 years and have an opportunity to give him 8 years when he's only 25-33 (His Prime)

c) It's 50/50 that the Leafs can actually match it (today) without gutting their team (Different story once the season starts and Hortons cap is off the books)

WHY WON'T HE SIGN ONE?????

In all reality, a deal has already been done, It will likely be signed after the season starts when the Leafs can put Horton on LTIR and open up the extra 5 million in capspace

The rest of this is all nonsense
- RoloTahmasee

You can use Horton's LTIR in the summer. No to mention you can go over the cap by 10% in the summer.

Leafs Match.

Next.

Many are not aware that you can now place a player on LTIR during the Summer if you can prove that the player will not be ready to play once the season starts. They also have the off season 10% exemption to work with.
- MJL

but but but they are so convinced that they know way more than anyone else.

You can use Horton's LTIR in the summer. No to mention you can go over the cap by 10% in the summer.

Leafs Match.

Next.
- Aetherial

Exactly - it's the 10% that needs to be compliant by beginning of season. If a player goes on LTIR in offseason it's because it's been demonstrated that the player cannot and will not pass a standard team physical to be deemed eligible to be on the active roster within the first 10 games or 24 days of the league fiscal year.

You need to work on your reading comprehension
- RoloTahmasee

My reading comprehension is just fine. Here is what you posted on the previous page. Copied and pasted.

"The Leafs can't pay Marner 11 million TODAY, They would have to make roster moves to fit under the cap with Horton's LTIR not eligible to be removed until after the season starts - They have to be cap compliant WITH Horton on the 1st day of the season"

a 1 year offer sheet would be collossal stupidity

Waiting in the Weeds!

We all recall Freakorenko and the Latvian Locomotive!
- gergeswillems

GMTM always gets his man

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