I'm worried about the forwards
- mdw7413

Don't worry, Kreider isn't going anywhere

Don't worry, Kreider isn't going anywhere
- TPC

I'm worried about the forwards
- mdw7413

I think Kreider will start the year here. Fast is a vet at this point. Buch is approaching vet status going into his 4th year. It's still a young group but I look at a team like Carolina who went to the ECF with a very young team last year and think why can't that be us? Plus we do have some vets on the back end and obviously the ultimate veteran in Hank. There will for sure be some growing pains but I'm not overly concerned

- SkjeiStadium

funny

https://twitter.com/nmbas...tatus/1148683961108819968

I think Kreider will start the year here. Fast is a vet at this point. Buch is approaching vet status going into his 4th year. It's still a young group but I look at a team like Carolina who went to the ECF with a very young team last year and think why can't that be us? Plus we do have some vets on the back end and obviously the ultimate veteran in Hank. There will for sure be some growing pains but I'm not overly concerned
- SkjeiStadium

Buch just needs to worry about being consistent.

Don't worry, Kreider isn't going anywhere
- TPC

TDL

- SkjeiStadium

Barnaby: Nylander has talent... great hands and vision.... but the Heartbeat doesn’t get to a VO2 max ever

funny

https://twitter.com/nmbas...tatus/1148683961108819968
- jimbro83

Stephen A. Smith to Stan Bowman: STAY OFF THE WEEEEEEEDUH!!!

Buch just needs to worry about being consistent.
- mdw7413

Agreed. He's got a much better group of forwards around him now. No more excuses

I'm not sure it really makes sense. From Nashville's standpoint they're getting a Dman they don't need and paying $8.6M for him for 2 years including the money they eat for Turris.

For the Rangers they are just taking on another bad contract that is even longer with hopes that Seattle will take him, which you want to incentivize by giving Seattle assets for doing so.

From Seattle's perspective, if we are exposing one of our younger Dman (Hajek, ADA, or Lindgren) and Turris, why would they want Turris? He put up 23 points in 55 games last year. I see where you're coming from I just don't think it makes all that much sense.
- SkjeiStadium

I just disagree.

From Nashville’s perspective you have 2.5 more for two years then they’re done with both contracts except for 2 mill for 3 years, as opposed to 6 over 5 years. So they save 4 mill for 3 years, when the cap is oozing space already so it’s even more for them. They lost a dman with Subban, so Shatty replaces that. Maybe they could do better then Shatty for him, I guess that’s possible but no way a guarantee.

The rangers perspective is this,

1. you create some cap space for the next two years which is all the rage regarding them recently. After that, it’s 4 million for at worst a 3rd line center. You could do a lot worse paying a different center. Then you could unload Strome if need be for an asset

2. You create room on defense loaded with prospects/youngsters that Shatty cant block anymore. Ie-keeping deangelo or having Lundkvist side in eventually

3. You add much needed center depth and veteran depth, that lets the kids like Chytil or Andersson or Howden develop without rushing them into a center spot. Center isn’t a position you want to expose a kid in, that’s risky imo..you could ruin them

4. Seattle is going to need vets and reach the cap floor, maybe they wouldn’t take him but I think that’s a player they’d love to draft. Worst case, we buy him out when we can afford to do it, which would better then buying someone out now. I really dislike Shattys buy out which is why I’m climbing this Turris hill so hard

5. Turris has had one bad year, I get that he’s overpaid, but he’s still a good player. He’ll have quality wingers which would help too. He played well at the worlds which makes me feel better about him. He’s also only 29...and this is not Lucic, for example, by any stretch

It’s really not a risky proposition for the Rangers in any way. Bottom line is, if we wanna unload Shatty this is the kind of trade we’re looking at

you gotta admit, TJ loves this idea

I just disagree.

From Nashville’s perspective you have 2.5 more for two years then they’re done with both contracts except for 2 mill for 3 years, as opposed to 6 over 5 years. So they save 4 mill for 3 years, when the cap is oozing space already so it’s even more for them. They lost a dman with Subban, so Shatty replaces that. Maybe they could do better then Shatty for him, I guess that’s possible but no way a guarantee.

The rangers perspective is this,

1. you create some cap space for the next two years which is all the rage regarding them recently. After that, it’s 4 million for at worst a 3rd line center. You could do a lot worse paying a different center. Then you could unload Strome if need be for an asset

2. You create room on defense loaded with prospects/youngsters that Shatty cant block anymore. Ie-keeping deangelo or having Lundkvist side in eventually

3. You add much needed center depth and veteran depth, that lets the kids like Chytil or Andersson or Howden develop without rushing them into a center spot. Center isn’t a position you want to expose a kid in, that’s risky imo..you could ruin them

4. Seattle is going to need vets and reach the cap floor, maybe they wouldn’t take him but I think that’s a player they’d love to draft. Worst case, we buy him out when we can afford to do it, which would better then buying someone out now. I really dislike Shattys buy out which is why I’m climbing this Turris hill so hard

5. Turris has had one bad year, I get that he’s overpaid, but he’s still a good player. He’ll have quality wingers which would help too. He played well at the worlds which makes me feel better about him. He’s also only 29...and this is not Lucic, for example, by any stretch

It’s really not a risky proposition for the Rangers in any way. Bottom line is, if we wanna unload Shatty this is the kind of trade we’re looking at
- Slimtj100

You make some good points, and we can agree to disagree.

I don't think this deal would be horrific from the Rangers perspective, although I still wouldn't do it. I just don't see the need from Nashville's side. They got rid of Subban because they had an excess of Dmen, similar to when they traded Jones for Johansen. They didn't go out and trade for a D then and I don't see them doing it now. They arguably have 6 Dmen better than Shatty right now, and the ones you could argue he's better than are Santini and Fabbro who are both younger. He'd be blocking them just like he's doing here. The cap is going to go up in 2 years, and likely remain relatively stagnant until then. So they would be taking a MASSIVE cap hit of $8.6 million while the cap is stagnant, and then get a huge inflow of space in two years. This is a team in win now mode. I just don't see them paying a guy they don't need $8.6M to get rid of a contract down the line.

I agree that it'll be difficult to trade Shatty, and his buyout is even worse. This is why I think we need to just hold onto him for at least one more year and buyout Smith and trade Nam to make space.

you gotta admit, TJ loves this idea
- jimbro83

Gotta admit you approach Toms level on occasion

You make some good points, and we can agree to disagree.

I don't think this deal would be horrific from the Rangers perspective, although I still wouldn't do it. I just don't see the need from Nashville's side. They got rid of Subban because they had an excess of Dmen, similar to when they traded Jones for Johansen. They didn't go out and trade for a D then and I don't see them doing it now. They arguably have 6 Dmen better than Shatty right now, and the ones you could argue he's better than are Santini and Fabbro who are both younger. He'd be blocking them just like he's doing here. The cap is going to go up in 2 years, and likely remain relatively stagnant until then. So they would be taking a MASSIVE cap hit of $8.6 million while the cap is stagnant, and then get a huge inflow of space in two years. This is a team in win now mode. I just don't see them paying a guy they don't need $8.6M to get rid of a contract down the line.

I agree that it'll be difficult to trade Shatty, and his buyout is even worse. This is why I think we need to just hold onto him for at least one more year and buyout Smith and trade Nam to make space.
- SkjeiStadium

They can’t pay a 3rd line center 6 mill, that’s why they do it🤷🏻‍♂️

Gotta admit you approach Toms level on occasion
- Slimtj100

no that would be Kyle Turris BUST!

Agreed. He's got a much better group of forwards around him now. No more excuses
- SkjeiStadium

As long as he takes how he ended last year, he should be fine. Not to mention Panarin, Kravtsov, Rykov and Shesty should make him a lot more comfortable.

Would love for Panarin to take him under his wing

They can’t pay a 3rd line center 6 mill, that’s why they do it🤷🏻‍♂️
- Slimtj100

But they can pay an at best bottom pair dman $8.6? They may look to trade him but they won't be taking on a larger salary while also retaining some of Turris' salary. I get that you're saying the benefit for them is in years 3-5 but as we've said here before, after the expansion draft everyone is going to get some breathing room and that $6m won't be as brutal. Also they may be planning on doing exactly what you want us to do and dangling him out for Seattle to take, and can do so without eating additional salary the next two years

They can’t pay a 3rd line center 6 mill, that’s why they do it🤷🏻‍♂️
- Slimtj100

I want Nashville to trade Turris and then Turris and Shea Weber retire at the same time and Nashville has to fold from the cap re-capture penalties

no that would be Kyle Turris BUST!
- jimbro83

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- Slimtj100

you gotta admit, TJ loves this idea
- jimbro83

never knew he had this many words in him...

Gotta admit you approach Toms level on occasion
- Slimtj100

It’s been so peaceful without him lately

You make some good points, and we can agree to disagree.

I don't think this deal would be horrific from the Rangers perspective, although I still wouldn't do it. I just don't see the need from Nashville's side. They got rid of Subban because they had an excess of Dmen, similar to when they traded Jones for Johansen. They didn't go out and trade for a D then and I don't see them doing it now. They arguably have 6 Dmen better than Shatty right now, and the ones you could argue he's better than are Santini and Fabbro who are both younger. He'd be blocking them just like he's doing here. The cap is going to go up in 2 years, and likely remain relatively stagnant until then. So they would be taking a MASSIVE cap hit of $8.6 million while the cap is stagnant, and then get a huge inflow of space in two years. This is a team in win now mode. I just don't see them paying a guy they don't need $8.6M to get rid of a contract down the line.

I agree that it'll be difficult to trade Shatty, and his buyout is even worse. This is why I think we need to just hold onto him for at least one more year and buyout Smith and trade Nam to make space.
- SkjeiStadium

I agree with you in stating that proposed trade makes no sense for both the Rangers, but much greater so, for the Preds, with the last thing they need is to acquire Shatty's $6.65M cap hit, or even just 50% of it.

But as for Subban, Preds GM, David Poile made it known within a few days after his team's very early elimination from the postseason, that Subban would be dealt for two reasons.

The first was to rid them of his full $9M cap hit, so he could pursue top offensive help through trades or free agency. He ultimately accomplished both by finding a team in the Devils who were the only one willing to pick up Subban's full contract. He then used that savings to sign Duchene to significantly aid their insufficient offensive production, which was the #1 cause for their early playoff exit. However, in that trade, he acquired along with two draft picks, two young d'men in Steven Santini and Jeremy Davies, (the latter one assigned to the minors). So their trade of Subban had nothing to do with the Preds having too many d'men.

The second reason for parting with Subban's full $9M was to help insure there would be sufficient cap space one year later to extend potential UFA d'man in Roman Josi long term, from his current $4M salary which will expire next June.

Gorton is playing the same waiting game regarding both using a possible buyout(s), or maximizing his return through a trade(s), as he attempted on the latter with Buffalo, when the Sabres had been interested in acquiring Vesey for a few weeks. But that resulted in Gorton being forced to sell low on him on July 1st, (in exchange for a 3rd Rounder), in order to seriously be in the bidding war for Panarin that very same day.

Moving Namestnikov's $4M, or even just 50% of the two remaining years on either Shatty's $6.65M or Smith's $4.35M annual contracts, will require him to sell even lower, or add some draft pick or prospect as a sweetener, in order to shed their cap space. Knowing the Rangers tight cap situation, and having come off landing Panarin, no team is willing to assist the Rangers need for cap space.

If still not moved, Gorton will likely be forced to use a buyout during the second buyout window period of only 48-hours in time frame, running anywhere from the July 20th through August 4th arbitration hearing dates period. However, that 48-hour buyout window only begins for teams on the third day after the team's final arbitration hearing is settled or concluded.

After getting Jokiharju and the rumors about Ristolainen moving, I would bet his days are numbered in Buffalo.