Wow shutout

Shockeeerrr

Good post. I'll eat my crow here. Not a fan of Sun articles, but still. Murray got the glory for the final say, but i didn't know he was pressured.

Again, good post. Used to be more stuff like this on this site which is what got me posting. However, the quality has really gone down lately. Nice to have a flash from the past.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I remember the 2008 draft very well. Good memories. I watched the draft with my father (Wings fan) and brother (Habs fan). O course I was wearing my first gen Senators jersey - still have it. The draft was in Ottawa and many eyebrows went up the trade was made. I think Ottawa moved up from 18th to 15th by giving Nashville a 3rd or 4th round pick. Folks were curious /excited. Then when Alfredsson took the podium and took the skinny fellow Swede there was a bit of an outcry. My father and brother gave me the gears for the Sens drafting a skinny kid from Sweden. I don't think either one of their teams 1st rounders did anything in the NHL. Turns out the skinny Swede was a player.

Sounds like Ceci is now officially considered part of the 'veteran core'... along with Smith, Pageau, Borowiecki, Ryan, and Anderson.
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vi...rt-of-a-contender~1618857

Buckle up for a multi-year extension in the off-season. Not a good sign for anything other than their odds of finishing dead last in 2019/20 as well.

Sounds like Ceci is now officially considered part of the 'veteran core'... along with Smith, Pageau, Borowiecki, Ryan, and Anderson.
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vi...rt-of-a-contender~1618857

Not a good sign for anything other than their odds of finishing dead last in 2019/20 as well.
- khawk

Sens trying to copy the oilers model.

you should fear thew return for Stone..if all he got for Duchene was 1 st, and some undersized prospects even if one of them was ranked 48th best prospect in 2018, there is next to zero chance Duchene re-signs in CBJ, its a prety underwhelming return for a true 1C at over a point per game this season....
- Athrin

So you are saying that PD should have just kept Duchene and lost him for nothing? Or are you saying he had far better offers on the table but decided to take a weaker return just because?

Seems like the Sens made a pretty decent deal here. Especially considering they were under pressure (since it was likely Duchene wouldn't resign).

Seems like that Abramov kid is highly rated by some CBJ fans. If Duchene actually gets resigned in Columbus, 2 firsts, plus two prospects (1 at least, highly rated) is a pretty good haul.

Seems like the Sens made a pretty decent deal here. Especially considering they were under pressure (since it was likely Duchene wouldn't resign).

Seems like that Abramov kid is highly rated by some CBJ fans. If Duchene actually gets resigned in Columbus, 2 firsts, plus two prospects (1 at least, highly rated) is a pretty good haul.
- Thecakeisalie

I am actually surprised PD got the second conditional 1st. That could be a solid pick / asset in a deep draft.

So you are saying that PD should have just kept Duchene and lost him for nothing? Or are you saying he had far better offers on the table but decided to take a weaker return just because?
- HoweHatrick

since we do not know what other teams offered that cannot be answer but no deal is always better than a bad one, only time will tell if Dorion messed up again.

And considering CBJ only ranked 26th in terms of prospect pools....

I am actually surprised PD got the second conditional 1st. That could be a solid pick / asset in a deep draft.
- HoweHatrick

when panarin and bob leave in the offseason so will Duchene no way he re-sign with CBJ they will be terrible next year with bob and panarin gone even with Duchene.

Sens trying to copy the oilers model.
- Athrin

Easy there... they've got most a decade to go before that's a fair comparison.

Easy there... they've got most a decade to go before that's a fair comparison.
- khawk

Melnyk said "hold my beer"

I remember the 2008 draft very well. Good memories. I watched the draft with my father (Wings fan) and brother (Habs fan). O course I was wearing my first gen Senators jersey - still have it. The draft was in Ottawa and many eyebrows went up the trade was made. I think Ottawa moved up from 18th to 15th by giving Nashville a 3rd or 4th round pick. Folks were curious /excited. Then when Alfredsson took the podium and took the skinny fellow Swede there was a bit of an outcry. My father and brother gave me the gears for the Sens drafting a skinny kid from Sweden. I don't think either one of their teams 1st rounders did anything in the NHL. Turns out the skinny Swede was a player.
- HoweHatrick

I remember the pick as well. Didn't think much of it at the time (or the trade to move up), but proved to be an important selection. Part of the fun of the draft really. You could be seeing the next corner stone covered in acne or just another brick in the wall.

Even if the Sens blow for the forceable future, I'll still be interested in each pick they make.

since we do not know what other teams offered that cannot be answer but no deal is always better than a bad one, only time will tell if Dorion messed up again.

And considering CBJ only ranked 26th in terms of prospect pools....
- Athrin

Let me get this straight. Let us ignore that there may have been other potential trade options and we can ignore the conditional 1st PD worked into the deal.

Are you actually saying keeping Duchene - not to mention letting him walk at the end of the season - on a team that is in and will continue to be in last place this season - would have been a better move for the organization than trading him and acquiring 2 prospects and a 1st round pick?

The bottom line is that, for whatever reason, Duchene was not signing. That is the reality of the situation. Time to move on and get the ball rolling with the rebuild. I look at it like this:

...and hope for new ownership.
- HoweHatrick

Dude the first paragraph .... it's bigger than Duchene. And it's become a pattern now. This ownership isn't serious about contender

Which brings me to your bottom line, which IS the bottom line

Dude the first paragraph .... it's bigger than Duchene. And it's become a pattern now. This ownership isn't serious about contender

Which brings me to your bottom line, which IS the bottom line
- AlfieisKing

Obviously a change of ownership is the best thing that could happen to the Senators. That is a given.

That said, Duchene has earned his UFA status and the right to get as much cash and term as possible and to move to the team of his choice. There is no certainty that Duchene would have stayed with Ottawa even if the team was owned by a solid owner, the team was a perennial playoff lock and he was offered a nice fat contract. It is possible but not a certainty. UFA status only comes around a few times to these players. Most will always test the market.

Sens trying to copy the oilers model.
- Athrin

Closer to the leafs model really. Let's hope to emulate that later success.

Big time goal scorer in next years draft too

Good trade. We're in for a long rebuild.

I'd like to congratulate Colorado with a top 4 pick, nothing to do about it anymore and I'm fine with that. poop happens

Had a great day fishing yesterday. 80F on the water. Caught one nice Redfish. Just a whisker under the slot.

Missed everything on the trade. Did not hear about it until we got back in early evening. Deal is okay.

We know Columbus will lose Panarin and Bob off of their CAP next year. They can put big dollars into their Duchene offer. There will be more quality UFA players available. Also, not nearly as many serious bidders as people think. Several teams have CAP struggles and will need to shed contracts.

There are going to be some very good veteran players available at bargain trade prices this summer.

The Senators have now become the classic MBA case study of how to go about a rebuild. In theory, everyone inside hockey understands this is how it should be done. Initially there will be huge fan backlash but they are counting on the fans warming up to the young guys by this time next year.

Duchene was pretty candid in his interview after. He said it was never about the money. He said the Sens first offer was a great starting point.

He said that when he asked about hockey decisions all he got was 'blanks'. All his meetings with Dorion were about hockey decisions and all he got was 'blanks'.

Sounds like Duchene doesn't believe in this so called rebuild. He even said some cryptic things which were clearly directed at a lack of ownership stability and if things change by July 1st 'who knows'. Very candid and weird interview at the same time. Props to Duchene for saying basically everything he can without directly calling out ownership and management.

Ceci was on the block all year and now he is part of the veteran core? Exactly what Duchene was talking about. There is zero plan from management. The 'plan' changes daily.

Duchene was pretty candid in his interview after. He said it was never about the money. He said the Sens first offer was a great starting point.

He said that when he asked about hockey decisions all he got was 'blanks'. All his meetings with Dorion were about hockey decisions and all he got was 'blanks'.

Sounds like Duchene doesn't believe in this so called rebuild. He even said some cryptic things which were clearly directed at a lack of ownership stability and if things change by July 1st 'who knows'. Very candid and weird interview at the same time. Props to Duchene for saying basically everything he can without directly calling out ownership and management.

Ceci was on the block all year and now he is part of the veteran core? Exactly what Duchene was talking about. There is zero plan from management. The 'plan' changes daily.
- Charliebox

Yes. I think it is exactly as it appears. There is no ownership leadership and everything appears to be in a holding pattern. It appears to most observers that nobody knows what they are doing.

As you know, I believe the exact opposite. They know exactly what they are doing and it is about ownership. Stripping and selling off assets is standard procedure as companies try to improve their books prior to a sale.

I still see all of this as positive signs that the one thing that needs to be changed is ownership and the file is progressing.

In a postive note, Belleville won last night again.

Also, good article on Bernard Docker here.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...docker-defying-odds-ncaa/

In a postive note, Belleville won last night again.

Also, good article on Bernard Docker here.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...docker-defying-odds-ncaa/
- david22

JBD is looking like a very solid pick with very strong top 4D potential, perhaps even top 2D.
Expect lots of positive articles about Senators prospect from TSN and Sportsnet over the next few months. These guys want Sens fans to keep watching...

Ceci was on the block all year and now he is part of the veteran core? Exactly what Duchene was talking about. There is zero plan from management. The 'plan' changes daily.
- Charliebox

I guess you could argue that your veteran core can only include veterans who remain on the team. Still, it's problematic to think that 2/3 of this supposed veteran core includes a checking line player who was waived at the beginning of the year, a goaltender who's been outplayed by another team's mid-season salary dump/reclaimation project, a forward who's only on the roster because of an untradable contract, and a d-man that many people feel would be addition by subtraction regardless of trade return. Not to mention that half of them have expiring contracts next season, so I guess we'll see how much value the team really sees in them at that point.

Abromov will debut for Belleville tonight.

Abromov will debut for Belleville tonight.
- david22