I'd rather have a lower pick and prospects we can be excited about rather than a middling pick in a weak draft and prospects I've never heard of (until now).

Again, Dorion should've gotten a feel for his UFA's sooner rather than clutter everyone 4 days before the deadline.

Im sure if we traded Duchene to the Sharks they could've flipped him and got a better deal!
- Trilla

Teams aren’t going to shell out their top prospect for a rental though. Not really sure what you were expecting. Having a lower first doesn’t mean you’re getting the best prospect a team has.

I get the frustration. My frustration stems from not be able to retain Duchene. He’s one of the more underrated centres in the NHL.

anyway go sens go

Teams aren’t going to shell out their top prospect for a rental though. Not really sure what you were expecting. Having a lower first doesn’t mean you’re getting the best prospect a team has.

I get the frustration. My frustration stems from not be able to retain Duchene. He’s one of the more underrated centres in the NHL.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Sens are in the first round now. Maybe they try to move up but at least it's a first round pick.

Teams aren’t going to shell out their top prospect for a rental though. Not really sure what you were expecting. Having a lower first doesn’t mean you’re getting the best prospect a team has.

I get the frustration. My frustration stems from not be able to retain Duchene. He’s one of the more underrated centres in the NHL.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Winning is everything, and a team that has legit Stanley aspirations will do whatever it takes, that includes giving up top prospects and picks.

That's why I feel Dorion should've waited

I wanted a deal where I can at least have some hope in the future..The only hope I have now is that Duchene re-signs with Columbus.

Teams aren’t going to shell out their top prospect for a rental though. Not really sure what you were expecting. Having a lower first doesn’t mean you’re getting the best prospect a team has.

I get the frustration. My frustration stems from not be able to retain Duchene. He’s one of the more underrated centres in the NHL.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Didn't Nashville get Forsberg for Martin freaking Erat?

Didn't Nashville get Forsberg for Martin freaking Erat?
- systemtool

This gets drought up a lot, but I think it's more of an anomaly than anything.

Didn't Nashville get Forsberg for Martin freaking Erat?
- systemtool

that trade wasn't a deadline deal, and erat wasn't a rental......not really comparable.

Seems to be not a lot of consensus on these two prospects. The hockeynews didn't think too highly of them, but the NHL has them listed as 1 and 3. Obisously that doens't mean much without looking at the league overall.


https://www.nhl.com/news/...rospect-watch/c-299682978

I guess time will tell. But it appears that people expecing blue chippers were over valuing what rentals can bring in

The bottom line is that, for whatever reason, Duchene was not signing. That is the reality of the situation. Time to move on and get the ball rolling with the rebuild. I look at it like this:

Very few prospects are guaranteed to become a quality NHL player. You pick up as many as you can in these trades and hope they pan out. The big upside here is that the Sens now have a 1st rounder in 2019 that looks like it will be somewhere in the middle. Maybe they have another in 2020. While trades do not always seem to be Doiron's forte one thing he has done well for the Senators over the last few years is identifying and finding players through drafting. This pick, if in the middle, and any of the other potential picks they acquire, could net you these type players:

Thomas Chabot (2015, 1st round 18th overall)
Ryan Dzingel (2011, 7th round, 203rd overall)
Mark Stone (2010, 6th round, 178th overall)
Jakob Silfverberg (2009, 2nd round, 39th overall)
Mike Hoffman (2009, 5th round, 129th overall)
Karlsson (2008, 1st round, 15th overall)

That is solid drafting - especially outside the first round. Correct me if I am wrong but was Doiron not involved in all of these picks? I believe he became the Chief Scout in 2007. Again, while he may not make great trades all the time he has some positives. Given the state of the team one of the most important factors the Sens need at the moment is good drafting. He may very well find a few gems again with the picks he acquires this year. When his tenure as GM is over I hope they keep him as head of scouting.

Its super easy to be negative. Look at the positives and enjoy the rebuild....


...and hope for new ownership.

the one thing i really don't get about this trade is why CBJ would make it......

are they really a Matt Duchene away from being a cup contender? i don't think he even makes them a guaranteed playoff team.......so not sure i buy the "going for it now" story.

if you're going for it now, it means you aren't trading Bob and Panarin, which means you almost surely lose them for nothing in the offseason (pretty sure all signs point to them not coming back)....which means acquiring Duchene now also doesn't really make sense for the future. even if they re-sign him, they still aren't a contending team.

i just don't understand this deal from their perspective.

the one thing i really don't get about this trade is why CBJ would make it......

are they really a Matt Duchene away from being a cup contender? i don't think he even makes them a guaranteed playoff team.......so not sure i buy the "going for it now" story.

if you're going for it now, it means you aren't trading Bob and Panarin, which means you almost surely lose them for nothing in the offseason (pretty sure all signs point to them not coming back)....which means acquiring Duchene now also doesn't really make sense for the future. even if they re-sign him, they still aren't a contending team.

i just don't understand this deal from their perspective.
- sensarmy_11

Ive wondered the same thing TBH. They could do alright in the playoffs, even with Duchene I don't think they're as good as Tampa, Boston or Toronto. If they only make it into 8th then Tamps beats them easy.

They might be as good as Washington Pitts, but either of those teams might be adding more too.


One possible scenario, is that its a signal to the fans... to finally win a round. and that they dont have too high an opinion on the two prospects they gave up, so it's not too much of a give for a calculated risk of keeping Duchene.

Ive wondered the same thing TBH. They could do alright in the playoffs, even with Duchene I don't think they're as good as Tampa, Boston or Toronto. If they only make it into 8th then Tamps beats them easy.

They might be as good as Washington Pitts, but either of those teams might be adding more too.


One possible scenario, is that its a signal to the fans... to finally win a round. and that they dont have too high an opinion on the two prospects they gave up, so it's not too much of a give for a calculated risk of keeping Duchene.
- david22

but losing the 1st rd pick, and maybe 2, when you already have arguably the worst farm system in the league, and a team that is not close to being a contender.....it just seems weird to me. i understand teams like Nsh, Wpg, NYI, etc going after him, CBJ just seems weird.

It is hard to know what the BJs are thinking but maybe they acquired Duchene to show Panarin and Bob that they are willing to add to win. Maybe they are still trying to sign them and by adding and potentially signing Duchene they are putting their best foot forward to make contracts with their UFAs happen.

Maybe the owner wants to make the Payoffs this season. Maybe they add more and win a round. Who knows.

but losing the 1st rd pick, and maybe 2, when you already have arguably the worst farm system in the league, and a team that is not close to being a contender.....it just seems weird to me. i understand teams like Nsh, Wpg, NYI, etc going after him, CBJ just seems weird.
- sensarmy_11

The current playoff format really helps them. One win and they're third in the their division. I still don't think they're a contender now, but they're on the same level as many of those teams. It's a risk, but seems like a calculated one to me.

Unless Washington decides to add more (I still think Dzingel would be a great fit there)

In this scenario I'm envisioning, they still need to play whoever wins the Atlantic though.

Here is hoping that the return of Stone and Dzingle includes multiple 1st round picks in the 2020 draft.

Sens are in the first round now. Maybe they try to move up but at least it's a first round pick.
- Aaron_85

Or move down... especially if the pick falls outside of the top-15, and they don't really have their eye on anyone in particular. Last year, Dorion managed to turn the 1st round pick from the Brassard deal into a 1st and a 2nd, and did quite well with both picks. It looks like a relatively 'flat' draft after the top-10, so hopefully there are teams like the NY Rangers last year that get especially worked up for a chance to move up a few spots.

Here is hoping that the return of Stone and Dzingle includes multiple 1st round picks in the 2020 draft.
- HoweHatrick

Columbus misses the playoffs. Wins the Lottery.

Duchene Parnarin and Bob all Leave.

Are almost as bad as Ottawa Next year.

Ottawa drafts 1 st and 2nd overall back to back.

Or move down... especially if the pick falls outside of the top-15, and they don't really have their eye on anyone in particular. Last year, Dorion managed to turn the 1st round pick from the Brassard deal into a 1st and a 2nd, and did quite well with both picks. It looks like a relatively 'flat' draft after the top-10, so hopefully there are teams like the NY Rangers last year that get especially worked up for a chance to move up a few spots.
- khawk

My understandign is that this years draft is average outside top top. Similar to last year.

No idea about next year, all i Know is that laferrnierre (sp?) is going to be amazing.

The bottom line is that, for whatever reason, Duchene was not signing. That is the reality of the situation. Time to move on and get the ball rolling with the rebuild. I look at it like this:

Very few prospects are guaranteed to become a quality NHL player. You pick up as many as you can in these trades and hope they pan out. The big upside here is that the Sens now have a 1st rounder in 2019 that looks like it will be somewhere in the middle. Maybe they have another in 2020. While trades do not always seem to be Doiron's forte one thing he has done well for the Senators over the last few years is identifying and finding players through drafting. This pick, if in the middle, and any of the other potential picks they acquire, could net you these type players:

Thomas Chabot (2015, 1st round 18th overall)
Ryan Dzingel (2011, 7th round, 203rd overall)
Mark Stone (2010, 6th round, 178th overall)
Jakob Silfverberg (2009, 2nd round, 39th overall)
Mike Hoffman (2009, 5th round, 129th overall)
Karlsson (2008, 1st round, 15th overall)

That is solid drafting - especially outside the first round. Correct me if I am wrong but was Doiron not involved in all of these picks? I believe he became the Chief Scout in 2007. Again, while he may not make great trades all the time he has some positives. Given the state of the team one of the most important factors the Sens need at the moment is good drafting. He may very well find a few gems again with the picks he acquires this year. When his tenure as GM is over I hope they keep him as head of scouting.

Its super easy to be negative. Look at the positives and enjoy the rebuild....


...and hope for new ownership.
- HoweHatrick

Bryan Murray had the final say for each of those picks.

My understandign is that this years draft is average outside top top. Similar to last year.

No idea about next year, all i Know is that laferrnierre (sp?) is going to be amazing.
- david22

dude, last years draft was one of the deepest in recent memory......insane amount of high-end talent. elite prospects were still available even late 1st and into the 2nd rd

was definitely not an average draft.

The bottom line is that, for whatever reason, Duchene was not signing. That is the reality of the situation. Time to move on and get the ball rolling with the rebuild. I look at it like this:

Very few prospects are guaranteed to become a quality NHL player. You pick up as many as you can in these trades and hope they pan out. The big upside here is that the Sens now have a 1st rounder in 2019 that looks like it will be somewhere in the middle. Maybe they have another in 2020. While trades do not always seem to be Doiron's forte one thing he has done well for the Senators over the last few years is identifying and finding players through drafting. This pick, if in the middle, and any of the other potential picks they acquire, could net you these type players:

Thomas Chabot (2015, 1st round 18th overall)
Ryan Dzingel (2011, 7th round, 203rd overall)
Mark Stone (2010, 6th round, 178th overall)
Jakob Silfverberg (2009, 2nd round, 39th overall)
Mike Hoffman (2009, 5th round, 129th overall)
Karlsson (2008, 1st round, 15th overall)

That is solid drafting - especially outside the first round. Correct me if I am wrong but was Doiron not involved in all of these picks? I believe he became the Chief Scout in 2007. Again, while he may not make great trades all the time he has some positives. Given the state of the team one of the most important factors the Sens need at the moment is good drafting. He may very well find a few gems again with the picks he acquires this year. When his tenure as GM is over I hope they keep him as head of scouting.

Its super easy to be negative. Look at the positives and enjoy the rebuild....


...and hope for new ownership.
- HoweHatrick

I'll be negative,

Since you happen to bring up the Sens draft history, let me show you the ones who didn't pan out:

Brian Lee (9th overall 05)
Jim O"brien (29th overall 07)
JARED COWEN (9th overall 10)
Stefan Noeson/Matt puempel/ Shane Prince (21st, 24th and 61st overall 11)
CODY CAPTAIN CECI (15th overall 12)
Curtis Lazar (17th overall 13)

Those are all in the 1st round outside of Shane Prince.

That's concerning

dude, last years draft was one of the deepest in recent memory......insane amount of high-end talent. elite prospects were still available even late 1st and into the 2nd rd

was definitely not an average draft.
- sensarmy_11

Can't really say that until 3-5 years after the draft.

Drafts, prospects, everything is inflated these days. Everyone is compared to a star.

Can't really say that until 3-5 years after the draft.

Drafts, prospects, everything is inflated these days. Everyone is compared to a star.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

fair enough, but if you base yourself on the rankings......the 2018 draft was much deeper than the 2017 draft. the top end are similar, but the depth seems much better in 2018

fair enough, but if you base yourself on the rankings......the 2018 draft was much deeper than the 2017 draft. the top end are similar, but the depth seems much better in 2018
- sensarmy_11

I get the concept of "deep" drafts - like your more likely to get an NHL regular in theory, but at the end of the day it's all about how you develop the player. Picking the right player for your system i think.

I've always wondered how guys like Mark Stone and Jaime Benn would have developed in another systems. Also vice versa, guys like Yakapow and Cowen in other systems.

Draft is mostly a crapshoot. Have to have people in your organization able to make the best educated guess.

this team is unwatchable.

i get they're young, but this is not an NHL calibre team right now. are they going to win another game this year....honestly?